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I wouldn't worry too much about it, I think the only real complication there could be if you make money from using or adjusting there code. Also its not like its damaged any sales of the game infact quite the opposite!

I remember when Star Wars Galaxies came to the end and a few individuals reverse engineered the code. SOE didnt seem too bothered as they wasn't taking any money from it and when you think about it it happens alot. 

Car tuners adjust the code for the ECU's that are made by Bosch etc etc and they do make money from it. 

As it was said before some people purely brought GTA V just to play LSPDFR, I did as I already had it on the XBox One so if it wasn't for LSPDFR and others that make it possible, R* wouldn't have made any extra ££.

I think someone should make some callouts to arrest CEO's of greedy companies :pirate::pirate:

 

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June 5th was a very busy day for a lot of people, I'm sure Jim would have another field day with TS in his Jimquisition. I found the quotes by T2 CEO rather interesting; if you aren't supporting monthly transactions your basically a freeloader. 

 

 

Edit; PS: Forgot if we're allowed to link videos, just seemed like this was valid more than ever given the gravity of the current situation

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This reminds me of soon after the release of GTA V on PC. Early in summer (During the Steam Sales in fact), everything went on sale, as normal. Well instead of Take-Two, and really, Rockstar, making the game cheaper, they "Lowered the price" but added an insignificant amount of sharkcards to send the price right back up to 70 bucks. These people have been after the money the whole time. They don't give a shit about the community, they care about the profits. 

 

This again, makes me reaffirm my position on the petition; it's important. We affect their bottom line. At the end of the day we matter.

 

 

#FuckyouTakeTwo

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3 minutes ago, Thero said:

 

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I am in 100% agreement. It baffled me that Take-Two (Who I'm sure have written a legal document or two) couldn't figure out proper grammar when sending this C&D in the first place. And that the OpenIV guys only reacted to it days later via update, with no warning, and just pretty much said "bye, see ya later". 

 

My original crazy theory is that it was an attempt on GTA modding from another modder or developer to stop production of a competitor. (My theory is based on the dev for Police1013's interactions with this community, but it isn't wholly based on him.

 

And another thing. Why send a C&D to one modder, but randomly contact "Alex" (Who we still have no idea about), about changing game files 4 years after initial launch. This makes no sense.

 

 

#FuckyouTakeTwo

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I am in 100% agreement. It baffled me that Take-Two (Who I'm sure have written a legal document or two) couldn't figure out proper grammar when sending this C&D in the first place. And that the OpenIV guys only reacted to it days later via update, with no warning, and just pretty much said "bye, see ya later". 

 

My original crazy theory is that it was an attempt on GTA modding from another modder or developer to stop production of a competitor. (My theory is based on the dev for Police1013's interactions with this community, but it isn't wholly based on him.

 

And another thing. Why send a C&D to one modder, but randomly contact "Alex" (Who we still have no idea about), about changing game files 4 years after initial launch. This makes no sense.

I think "Alex" just wants attention.

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8 minutes ago, Thero said:

So in short, Rockstar supports the use of single-player mods in Grand Theft Auto 5. Rejoice!

 

 

R* isn't really the issue, though they have done stupid things in the past. T2 is the problem, their the ones who want to crack down on everything, they would sell their own family to make a quick dollar.

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51 minutes ago, Thero said:

-removing wall of text-

 

Agree completely. There is no way a legal document would've gone out with such poor grammar. Even if it was translated from English into Russian, it would've gone through a competent legal translator and not just Google translate. I hope they post the full letter.

 

It also doesn't make sense - OpenIV has been around for a long time now. It's not like TakeTwo or R* suddenly found out OpenIV existed last week.

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IF this is bullshit, why would OpenIV comply?  Again, the OpenIV team aren't idiots.  For them to receive some random C&D should have them skeptical and trying to verify its legitimacy.  Seeing as OpenIV has already taken the steps to shut down, whoever contacted them has to have something that shows they are an active employee with T2.  I'm just saying, the OpenIV team wouldn't be so quick to do as instructed unless they genuinely believed in the authenticity.

 

In regards to the actual letter itself, it does look bullshit.  It looks like someone from the EU who has only been in the US for a month wrote it.  I'm normally not one to freak the fuck out, but the reason folks such as myself are getting so upset is because we have put a lot of time into modding our game.  We have taken a lot of time to personalize the game to how we want it.  My game is fully modded out.  Audio, characters, graphics, cars. I have over 4 DLCs filled with standalone cars.  The very idea of all my modding efforts going out the window enrages me.  I'd be just as mad if Rockstar pushed out an update for a file I didn't have backed up, which ruined my entire game. (Mind you, my normal backup method works flawlessly.  It's when Rockstar randomly updates a different file, such as Steam_API)

 

Ultimately, most of us here just want to play games how we want to and enjoy it.  The idea that someone is trying to stop us from doing this is what makes most of us so mad.  If we rented the game, I could get behind suing someone who modified it.  In this case, we spent $60 on the game.  It's OUR game now.  Rockstar does ultimately own it, but so do we.  We can do as we please with the game so long as it doesn't infringe upon GTA Online or Rockstar (redistributing).

 

If this is some gag, good, we can move on in a few days.  If not, goodbye LSPDFR and GTA. I will never be purchasing another GTA title.

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Well, I'm f*cked.

 

Those nasty f*cks picked the wrong time to get rid of OpenIV. I'm right now in modding nirvana, it seems. I have two pages of mods that I ENJOY making, but the thing is, for some reason, my Windows 10 computer is unable to take screenshots in-game. I need to use OpenIV's WFT viewer for this, as you may find, so I can appease both the admins and the potential downloader.

 

Sure, OpenIV likes to mess up my vehshare and my resident.rpf, but the thing is, I'm only modding for GTA IV, and I'm like the most active modder there right now. Sure, there may be some legal loophole in GTA IV, and sure, GTA V was a pain in the arse to mod, but my contributions here have been a pillar of my involvement in the modding community. 

 

The world's out to get me during these exam times, I'm sure of this.  But this is the biggest blow to the GTA IV modding community since GTAPoliceMods shut down. I'm not updating my OpenIV out of fear, so I can't use that anymore. And SparkIV doesn't have a WFT viewer.

 

Nobody really knows how much it has affected my corner of mods. But let me tell you something - for keeping within site rules, it is REALLY BAD.

It's been three years, but I'm back again...

My GTA IV Modding Workshop

 

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At the grand old age of 44 I am only just getting into the modding of GTAV and just love lspdfr and hope that I will be able to continue to use it, even tho at this moment I can't due to outdated script hook, and now I get this popup on OpenIV giving me the option to uninstall (Not a cat in hells chance!). I have paid for GTAV on every format that it has been released on so have spend a fair amount of money with R*. It does make me wonder if people will now stick their middle finger up at them and just used pirated versions from now on. I have purchased this software so i should be able to do with it what I want, if I can't then why should I put my hand in my pocket and hand over money! 

 

Rant over...

 

Anyone know how to stop the OpenIV popup from coming up every time you start openiv?

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There's an upside should this turn out to be true, and they screw us all over, I will have 60 odd gigabytes of space free as I won't be playing that excuse of an Online Experience.

 

Get with it Take 2.

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I think a lot of people are overreacting about this. Yeah its really shitty how T2 have made such a bad decision, but right now GTA modding is not affected. OpenIV still works, which many are failing to understand. If you were smart you would have made a backup through RPH for the update that literally just came out so no issues there as well. As some have already said, there will be OpenIV alternatives if OpenIV stops working because there are people out there with the knowledge and dedication to make one.

 

Really the only thing im pretty pissed about is now we won't get a fucking Liberty City mod from OpenIV team, i've been waiting for that since Jan 1st!!!!! 

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This whole "Cease and Desist," corporate international/multi-platform contact letter raises a lot of red flags from what the OpenIV team has and has not said.

For the record, Take Two Interactive is a company valued at over $1b and growing since the release of GTA V. It has stock on the NYSE. Furthermore, Rockstar Games and 2K Games are subsidiaries of Take Two Interactive (T2 owns both companies and their outlets).

 

I did not think it was a big deal at first, but it has certainly been raising a stink. However, I'm optimistic this is either fake or an unintended mistake. There are some red flags and inconsistencies that tip off to a possible phoney.

 

T2 Interactive owns Rockstar Games - RSG develops and publishes, as well as handles all point-of-contact interaction with customers and community on behalf of T2 if it is a Rockstar game. RSG has never implemented any intentional counter-modification update or feature and, as mentioned prior in this thread by Thero with proof, they have even supported it. This is very inconsistent with Take Two Interactive's supposed Cease and Desist letter.

 

As for the letter, Take Two Interactive has confirmed with and through RSG in the past (by their own operation) the legality and availability of modding in GTAIV and GTAV. It's odd that the letter comes unprompted and right after a DLC update that does not affect infrastructure or other critical files that would obstruct or disable OpenIV. The largest alarm to the credibility of the letter is the grammatical errors of the document and its delivery over international jurisdiction. It is quite odd, legally and operationally, for a company to send a letter to cease and desist under terms of another jurisdiction to just one individual in a different legal jurisdiction in another country  Furthermore, the document's authenticity is at large (I have not seen the letter, but if it is as bad as Deputy Rourke implies, then it seems largely debatable).

 

The timing of it all contributes to the suspicion. After a significant update, but nonetheless at perhaps the least critical time for GTAV sales and GTAO interaction. Four years into GTAV, there is no overt financial motivation by either company to discourage modding and even go as far to cease it. As RSG said themselves, they support it and, obviously, it attracts even more sales because of more content. It seems irrelevant, out of character, and inconsistent for Take Two Interactive to pen the Cease and Desist letter.

 

Laying all of this out, it seems even more indicative to me that the letter is false. It just doesn't add up. If it is not false, then I am not worried. There will be other ways, and RSG and T2 will identify their fault eventually, especially here in the closing one to two years of GTAV (four years later). If not, I have faith in the community to come back. This community always has, just look where we are today and what they're capable of.

 

Until next time.

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I sure hope this is some sort of prank or scam, as mentioned before this C/D demand letter seems to be full of typos and spelling mistakes. Lawyers are usually pretty thorough on these matters so it does seem a little fishy. In any case, OpenIV can still be used as long as you yank your ethernet cable before updating it, and possibly keeping the game at a previous version through the launcher bypass mod. Hopefully we'll get some real information on whether this is a genuine demand or some idiot playing with the tool creators. 

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I think the theories stating the C&D is possibly a hoax could hold some weight, but I imagine the OIV team have undoubtedly received cease and desist letters before. I would hope they at least verified the letter was from T2 before acting. 

 

It'll be interesting to see what happens over the coming days/weeks. 

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