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42 minutes ago, Slushy said:

Why do people go into reviews for GTA V and just sh*t talk it, giving it bad reviews. This isn't going to change their stance on modding, only make the game look bad to new players. There is no point running the game into the ground, just because the OPEN IV team have stopped producing updates to their software, as a result of Money2.

Bad reviews hurt their sales -> money pockets. 

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1 hour ago, PhillBellic said:

I still reckon both Take 2, and Rockstar Games have shot themselves in the foot (understatement of the Year).

A case of being 'Hoisted By Their own Petard', if you will.

 

They have, but it honestly won't matter.  When the next GTA releases, millions will still buy it.  Some of them will most likely be the people who have been complaining about this dick move.

 

2 hours ago, Hullian111 said:

So this'll be my last post for a while.

 

OpenIV probably was at risk of being shut down by TTWO. The Liberty City mod, however, HASTENED this shut-down, in my opinion.

 

There's reprecussions going around now. GTA V is being flooded with negative reviews. Major gaming news sites and YouTubers are covering this. And for now, we can still use OpenIV, but not for long.

 

As a small-time GTA IV modder, I've been hit hard by this. OpenIV has a decent WFT viewer, but SparkIV doesn't. This means I can't preview textures without launching the game, making it harder to start analysing what went wrong and what went right, if I use SparkIV. It also means I can't take screenshots for my uploads, leaving them dead in the water if I want to keep within the rules. However, I am seeking alternatives.

 

There are some crying violence, there are some panicking, and there are some blaming the devs. Honestly, now that I think of it, OpenIV were in the wrong. But as @Senatov said, we need a SparkIV for GTA V - something that keeps within the rules, doesn't get risky with their projects, and in all, just avoids GTA O and lets you install Ford Granadas in place of Staniers. (someone please make that)

 

In all, now we wait for a solution. So everyone, while we wait for something like SparkIV, or some resolution, go to the Winchester, have a nice cold pint, and wait for all of this to blow over.

 

OpenIV was only in the wrong with that Liberty City project.  Otherwise, OpenIV was amazing.

 

2 hours ago, Slushy said:

Why do people go into reviews for GTA V and just sh*t talk it, giving it bad reviews. This isn't going to change their stance on modding, only make the game look bad to new players. There is no point running the game into the ground, just because the OPEN IV team have stopped producing updates to their software, as a result of Money2.

 

It gets the job done.  Negative reviews usually mean people won't buy it.  I for one won't buy a game if it's all negative reviews, or the reviews state there are issues with the developer/publisher.

 

2 hours ago, Thero said:

OpenIV responded regarding rockstars statements today.

 

http://gtaforums.com/topic/889348-take-two-vs-modding/?p=1069656426

 

So, Cockstar is lying out of their ass?  Typical.

 

3 hours ago, Senatov said:

OG Here. One of the few people on here with a legal background and a level head. Please let me explain.

 

Been at this stuff for recreation & YouTube since 2011. I made a video explaining the full legal parameters, scope, history, and significance of all of this. Here is the link if you are interested:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_ffiIp218k

 

The TL DR version of it is the following. CALM DOWN. Everyone needs to calm down. This doesn't mean you can't play GTA 5, use GTA 5 mods, or make GTA videos any more. All it means in the most literal sense is that if you update to the Gunrunners DLC, you can't use vehicle, texture, sound mods. You can back up your game and keep using OpenIV and all the mods you want, until something is changed. That's all it means.  I'm sure there will  be some bootleg Chinese "OpenIV" that will come out. Rockstar's statement on this and their previous behavior would indicate they are not actively opposed to modding. Chill out.

 

Here is the problem. There is no such thing as "GTA Mod Laws." There is copyright law, US Code, case law, case precedents, DMCA, etc. The internet and the digital realm is poorly regulated and even more poorly litigated. The result is that large corporations that can easily pay tweedy $800+/hr Manhattan attorneys to twist the law however is convenient to shake people down, can and will. People can't afford to fight back so it works, right or wrong.

 

While I am hopelessly biased toward the video creators, the modders, etc., I must admit I feel OpenIV is in the wrong. The whole thing exists in a massive grey area as it is, and I know from experience that OpenIV and its creators have always pushed the envelope when it comes to reverse engineering Rockstar's creations. Whether it was the Liberty City to GTA 5 mod (borderline legally indefensible) or simply how far OpenIV's creators got into Rockstar's sock drawer, this was bound to happen. OpenIV's creator(s) acknowledged this as well as the fact they felt it would ultimately happen.

 

Take Two Interactive's bread and butter is GTA Online, Shark Cards, and the proliferation of freemium micro-transaction sausage making. The integrity of GTA Online has always been paramount to Rockstar Games, and OpenIV's continuous reverse engineering of the game's systems, as well as other transgressions which at this point seem to be known only to Take Two's counsel and OpenIV's creator, crossed the line for Take Two. 

 

REMEMBER: OpenIV has been around for about 10 years, and it has been around for 2 years for GTA 5 alone. Ask yourself-----why now?

 

Why all of a sudden?

 

OpenIV went too far into Rockstar's proprietary sock drawer. That's why. 

 

All we need is a mod that lets you replace a Sultan with a Ferrari; a "SparkIV" for GTA 5.

 

Then all will be well. Just calm down.

 

Essentially, TakeTwo got pissy because of a harmless project meant for folks to have fun.  TakeTwo only wants you to have fun if you're buying their shitty ass sharkcards and feeding them money. How sad.

 

4 hours ago, Tenor said:

@Cyan @Sam Y'all please do what you can to keep this website up. Whether or not it's going to be soon I'm not sure, but eventually Take-Twat will find this site. Honsetly, it sounds to me as if it's a violation of Russian Laws, and it doesn't really matter in America. We gotta fight for it guys ;)

Someone better get him, Code 5.

 

I'm not sure how this came up.  Take Twat most likely knows about this website.  There's nothing they can do about it as this website isn't under Rockstar's EULA.   Take Twat may not like this website, but they have absolutely zero ability to take it down.

 

8 hours ago, rmckinstry said:

How legit is that? Do we know it was used for that purpose.?

 

Also "We are working to figure out how we can continue to support the creative community without negatively impacting our players." seems hopeful

 

I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.  They most likely gave that statement just to calm everyone down.  Take Two is in charge, not Rockstar. Even if they wanted to help us, Take Two could say no in an instant.

 

12 hours ago, UnumProvident101 said:

Since OpenIV has been discontinued I will no longer play LSPDFR on GTA V and will wait until Police 10-13 comes out instead 

 

I appreciate your effort at a boycott, but that won't solve anything.  In fact, if you stop playing LSPDFR, you'll be doing what they ultimately want.  Keep playing and enjoying the game, especially since Take Two may go even farther and try to prevent modded games from working.  This is a long shot, but I wouldn't put it past them.  Also, there's no verification Police 10-13 will come out.  It looks intriguing, but  I wouldn't put all my eggs in one basket. 

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12 hours ago, cp702 said:

The *recent* ratings flipped to negative. V has been out for years. Not a whole lot of people are still buying and reviewing it.

It doesn't matter if they're not selling as much as they used to (and just for the record, their sale never really dropped, up until a few weeks ago GTA V was still the top seller on Steam) because anyone can still review at any time. You can even change your review and rating at any time, which was actually the whole point of adding an additional rating last year: overall and recent. Because game can evolve and the overall rating may not be indicative anymore of the state of the game at the current time, that's why Steam allows you to change your review.

 

7 hours ago, Starkka15 said:

Keep modding guys, no one knows, no one cares, honestly... OpenIV won't be outdated except for some newer DLC's most likely, so mod to your hearts content.

 

So much this. Seriously. While there are good reasons to be pissed off by Take 2's move, there is no reason to freak out. You can still use OpenIV by disregarding the uninstall invite, you can still use mods, you can still play LSPDFR. The worst that can happen is being stuck with the current game version (that's why you make sure to back up the important game files) and that's not the end of the world. People can still create the most awesome mods with the current version, the LSPDFR team even just stated that they are testing a new version...

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You can say "you had to know this was coming because OpenIV was always in a legal grey area" but that isn't the issue. The issue, and what pisses me off, is that they sent the cease and desist because they think OpenIV is used to interfere with Online. Not because of the Liberty City project, not because it breaks the EULA, but because they actually think OpenIV is a source that Online modders/hackers use to disrupt other players. 

 

Were they legally in the right to do it? Perhaps. But their reasoning is completely fucked. 

"Work and ideas get stolen, then you keep moving on doing your thing."

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3 minutes ago, willpv23 said:

Were they legally in the right to do it? Perhaps. But their reasoning is completely fucked. 

 

Some people before this whole deal I was in contact with always used legal reasons as an excuse. A cop out: "they're in the right to look after their baby". Yeah, maybe that's true, but doing what they've done is only shooting themselves in the foot, as the people who continue to actually mess with the game, continue to do so freely and practically unobsructed.

 

Even as we speak you can get your hands on undetected injectors.

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9 minutes ago, Starkka15 said:

Will OpenIV work on the current version of GTA V? I.e. the gunrunners update? << I don't think that update would render OpenIV useless, I think the issue would be ScriptHookV...

 

Scripthook remains not updated as of right now.

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12 minutes ago, Starkka15 said:

Will OpenIV work on the current version of GTA V? I.e. the gunrunners update? << I don't think that update would render OpenIV useless, I think the issue would be ScriptHookV...

OpenIV is untouched aside from the uninstall notice. Just click uninstall later and hopefully it doesn't react like Microsoft Windows after a few clicks.

 

ScriptHook isnt in trouble unless the author says it is. Just wait for an update.

2 hours ago, Janis28 said:

This means LCPDFR is gone as well??? 

LCPDFR works fine as long as you use 1.0.7.0. The new GTA IV update hasn't had a ScriptHook update since the author abandoned it.

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3 hours ago, willpv23 said:

You can say "you had to know this was coming because OpenIV was always in a legal grey area" but that isn't the issue. The issue, and what pisses me off, is that they sent the cease and desist because they think OpenIV is used to interfere with Online. Not because of the Liberty City project, not because it breaks the EULA, but because they actually think OpenIV is a source that Online modders/hackers use to disrupt other players. 

 

Were they legally in the right to do it? Perhaps. But their reasoning is completely fucked. 

I'm not sure about the LC Project or what's the deal with it is, but as far as it comes to EULA... I believe Russian devs are covered by Russian laws, and as GooD-NTS stated they did not violate them. So guess T2 picked out the simplest reason available and went with it probably knowing it would never be challenged in court.

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9 minutes ago, UnumProvident101 said:

I downloaded the offline openiv and I installed it and now I don't have to deal with another openiv update

 

 

You can update it fine. Just once it asks to uninstall, click "remind me later" and you can proceed as usual.

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Maybe a group of us should get together and start working on a SparkV... keeping some of the basic functions of OpenIV, such as Model Viewer, and model swapping, and a mods folder, hash generator, etc... I'm not sure what was in OpenIV that prompted Take Two other than the LC expansion they were working on.

 

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