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14 hours ago, Olanov said:

To be fair, unless their sales are hit, I doubt they care that much.

With the Steam Summer Sale arriving in only a few days, a decrease in sales is possible.

 

The unfortunate part of that is that they've already milked the money cow that is GTA 5, so I don't think a few lost sales three years later would be a big deal to them.

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17 hours ago, Sniper296 said:

Just a note to everyone who is leaving negative reviews of V, IV and MP3—or everything R*/T2.

You forgot something:

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Thanks for the reminder, not that people really see this tag as only the main ones appear on the store page, but still...

Where we're going, we don't need signatures.

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1 hour ago, DLM3 said:

 

Thanks for the reminder, not that people really see this tag as only the main ones appear on the store page, but still...

 

Tags are also for when people use the search feature of Steam (especially the automated suggestions).

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1 hour ago, Thero said:

Fyi the news has made its way to gamespot as well now

 

In that article ,"Although Rockstar parent company Take-Two says it wasn't targeting single-player mods, players have lashed out via negative reviews on Steam," 

 

Did T2 say that at some point over the last week? All I remember is Rockstar making the statement the T2 cease and desist was not meant to target single player mods.

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18 minutes ago, thecovesf said:

 

In that article ,"Although Rockstar parent company Take-Two says it wasn't targeting single-player mods, players have lashed out via negative reviews on Steam," 

 

Did T2 say that at some point over the last week? All I remember is Rockstar making the statement the T2 cease and desist was not meant to target single player mods.

 

Says they weren't targeting single player mods.

 

Targets single player mods.

 

Logic.

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Not sure if this has been posted here buuuut..new(?) statement from OpenIV

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On 2017-6-16 at 11:41 AM, Janis28 said:

I know everyone is shocked and disappointed right now, but look on the bright side - lets go back to LCPDFR and make new life to GTA IV, lets make new callouts and mods for lcpdfr :tongue:

 

I wish that could be true.    I run a mid-range PC from 2013 and GTA V at higher settings looks and runs better than GTA IV on medium settings.

 

It is the inconsistent performance of GTA IV with mods that is my problem and cannot be fixed.  I've felt sick/headaches after 5mins when the game is having a bad day with stability.  Completely vanilla GTA IV runs okay,  but that's not why we're here.

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Here is an idea, we'll stop buying their games from now on and they will come to use begging for redemption and we will tell them what they can do. Give us our modding abilities back, and if they say no then we tell them to go back to hell and if they give in, then we can tell people to buy games made by Rockstar Games. If everyone went this route, they will either give in or go bankrupt.

 

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6 hours ago, thecode said:

Here is an idea, we'll stop buying their games from now on and they will come to use begging for redemption and we will tell them what they can do. Give us our modding abilities back, and if they say no then we tell them to go back to hell and if they give in, then we can tell people to buy games made by Rockstar Games. If everyone went this route, they will either give in or go bankrupt.

 

You seem to be forgetting the console gamers that buy the games and can't do mods like we can (PC Master Race ftw). Also, your situation would require T2 to actually give a shit about their player base and to rescind a decision they made previously; neither of those have a record with T2 to my knowledge.

 

At this point, best we can do is hurry up and wait, continue contacting T2 with as polite of a manner as we can manage given the circumstances, and take whatever steps we can to hurt their sales. Steam reviews, signing the petition, spreading awareness about the situation, etc.  Just try and take the high road if you can; if a bunch of us are leaving vulgar messages all over the place, it'll give the modding community a bad PR image.

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18 hours ago, KyneiZero said:

 

I wish that could be true.    I run a mid-range PC from 2013 and GTA V at higher settings looks and runs better than GTA IV on medium settings.

 

It is the inconsistent performance of GTA IV with mods that is my problem and cannot be fixed.  I've felt sick/headaches after 5mins when the game is having a bad day with stability.  Completely vanilla GTA IV runs okay,  but that's not why we're here.

Don't put in so much mods and stupid stuff in GTA IV, then the game will be stable, Every problem starts when you put useless shit in game

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32 minutes ago, Reffie1997 said:

We gotta treasure LSPDFR! RAGE Plugin Hook could be the next victim that Take 2 is aiming for... If RAGE is taken down by them then LSPDFR is D-O-N-E! Play and treasure LSPDFR now while it lasts!

Or just keep a copy of all the files you need and you can play it whenever you want even if RAGE gets shut down?

 

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I also want to make it incredibly clear that a company cannot "declare" something as illegal. In order for an action to be illegal, it must be against a written and signed in law - be it local, state. or federal -- not corporate. When you purchased GTA V, you didn't actually purchase the game. You purchased the license to use a game under their user agreement. Theoretically, R* would have to take all of its users to a civil court for violating terms of service.

 

Products like OpenIV, which are not bound to the GTA V "law" -- or user license agreement -- do not have to follow its agreement. It makes no legal difference that this tool can be used to modify game files. In theory, so can built in Windows Explorer. Where was Microsoft's C&D? The risk is entirely that of its users.

 

I want to refer to case law, where we can look at products like Limewire (rip). Limewire itself was not illegal. The product could be used to download pirated music - which would be illegal, and not against a user license agreement of any kind. That was the doing of the user still, not the product. Limewire got itself into trouble by knowingly hosting pirated music.

 

I'm a bit baffled with how this C&D was even taken seriously to begin with. It's unfounded, based on no laws, and is ONLY referring to GTA V's user license agreement.

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15 minutes ago, Jeepserver said:

I'm a bit baffled with how this C&D was even taken seriously to begin with. It's unfounded, based on no laws, and is ONLY referring to GTA V's user license agreement.

It was taken seriously because the legal representative in Russia for T2, a multi-billion dollar company, delivered it in the proper legal fashion. Modding is not illegal; it never was and still isn't. OpenIV was technically in violation of the EULA for GTA V however, and T2 had every right to shut down OpenIV despite it being a total dick move. You also didn't take into account Russian laws, which I'll readily admit I'm not familiar with myself. But if the C&D order was truly based on no laws and was unfounded, I'm fairly certain that this thread wouldn't exist and OpenIV would be running and downloadable as normal.

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OK so we know the importance OpenIV is/was to GTAV and LSPDFR. Hopefully it will continue that way for many years.

 

However. Don't Script Hook V have just as much importance as Open IV? This may not be the time and place to mention this. This is not intended to start any rumors or cause any bickering. I just don't understand how SHV has no impact on the LSPRFR community? Maybe because SHV is it's own entity and no one really cares until it effects them directly. My opinion.

I'm surprised of no mention of Script Hook V. Keeping people in the dark is a good thing(sarcastic voice).   

 

Without SHV GTAV (resent update) Granted everyone should know by now to keep a back up of GTAV for scenarios such as this. For those that haven't they are stuck where they can't even play the game. 

 

This all being conjecture on my part. 

 

Have a good day. :thumbsup::smile:

 

PS. I really did enjoy playing LSPDFR. Peace out!

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