Please read the reports. They clearly stated the officers killed were unarmed.

I have seen no report that clearly stated the police officers killed are unarmed. I have seen news sources making the claim that the first responding police were unarmed, seemingly based on a single statement from a single (British) journalist: "Three policemen had arrived on bikes but had to leave because the men were armed, obviously." That seems to be all any news source is relying on in claiming police are unarmed. Again: There is one claim that the police were unarmed. Literally every single source I can find about French law enforcement that does *not* involve that claim (e.g. things from before today) says that French national police and gendarmes are all armed. All of them. The only unarmed police are municipal police. Now, someone who thinks that means what it does in the US thinks the Paris police are municipal police, but I cannot find literally a single source that says that Paris has any municipal police.

The problem with assuming that something that appeared in a lot of media reports is well-corroborated is that the media has a strong tendency to quote themselves; saying that many news sources made the claim doesn't change that they all based it off a single eyewitness, and so relying on that for corroboration is like seeing something you don't believe in the paper and buying 10 copies to convince yourself it's true.

I have seen no report that clearly stated the police officers killed are unarmed. I have seen news sources making the claim that the first responding police were unarmed, seemingly based on a single statement from a single (British) journalist: "Three policemen had arrived on bikes but had to leave because the men were armed, obviously." That seems to be all any news source is relying on in claiming police are unarmed. Again: There is one claim that the police were unarmed. Literally every single source I can find about French law enforcement that does *not* involve that claim (e.g. things from before today) says that French national police and gendarmes are all armed. All of them. The only unarmed police are municipal police. Now, someone who thinks that means what it does in the US thinks the Paris police are municipal police, but I cannot find literally a single source that says that Paris has any municipal police.

The problem with assuming that something that appeared in a lot of media reports is well-corroborated is that the media has a strong tendency to quote themselves; saying that many news sources made the claim doesn't change that they all based it off a single eyewitness, and so relying on that for corroboration is like seeing something you don't believe in the paper and buying 10 copies to convince yourself it's true.

 

Well maybe you're right, maybe I'm right. This will go in a circular, hypothetical debate.

 

You're basing your argument off of the fact that there is no article that says he WAS armed. Nobody is saying he was armed (as of me writing this).

 

I'm basing mine off of credible news sources (regardless of their source, because neither of us know where the information is coming from) that say he was unarmed.

May the victims rest in peace.

From having relatives in Paris and visiting many times, the police are definitely routinely armed.  This is just a horrible tragedy though, and as a way of showing our solidarity, I thought it would be fitting to add some blue to our logo for the day - a small change, but a symbolic one nonetheless.

From having relatives in Paris and visiting many times, the police are definitely routinely armed.  This is just a horrible tragedy though, and as a way of showing our solidarity, I thought it would be fitting to add some blue to our logo for the day - a small change, but a symbolic one nonetheless.

Just noticed it and I really appreciate it, that's awesome.

I can confirm that all national police officers and gendarmes are indeed armed when they're on duty. They don't have assault rifles or shotguns in the trunk of their patrol cars, but they have a 9mm pistol holstered at all times.

 

Just for the heads-up, the 18-year-old student who surrendered to the police yesterday evening after seeing his name circulating on social media has apparently nothing to do with the shooting in Paris.

 

Also, a municipal police officer (a woman) was killed at the scene of a traffic accident after being shot by a man wielding an automatic weapon south of the capital city this morning. A construction worker who was nearby was also wounded. The man, who wasn't involved in yesterday's attack according to the reports, has, AFAIK, not been apprehended yet.

All French national police and gendarmes are armed with a handgun while on duty.

Also, one of the officer who was killed (the one we can see on the video), was "Ahmed Merabet": a french muslim police officer.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/JeSuisAhmed?src=hash

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/the-first-man-killed-in-charlie-hebdo-attacks-was-muslim-police-officer-ahmed-merabet-9964283.html?cmpid=facebook-post

Edited January 8, 201511 yr by gangrenn

Another MOS dead:

http://7online.com/news/1-suspect-surrenders-search-for-2-more-suspects-in-paris-terror-attack-that-left-12-dead/465204/

...and an ordinary tax payer injured.

 

Everybody who lives in France, watch for yourself. You never know when and where it can happen again. If you feel sth is wrong just get the hell outta there, you can be late for school, work etc. but it's better to be late than dead.

Jesus christ. Thats just a very very fucked up event. It was awesome to see all those people in Paris came together tho and showing support and unity.

Absolutely disgusting. Just disgusting. 

Here we go again...Another one this morning. I hope that this is it and everyone will calm down. I cant help but have a copycat feeling for America somewhere.

Pretty much sadistic doing that. Day to day I'm getting more scared to go outside, but it isn't that bad.

Though, how'd you feel going outside atm in France?

 

It'd creep me the hell out walking around or even in a car, however without the ability to protect myself properly,

I wouldn't dare to go outside my house, who knows if I'd be even safe in there.

So France is straight right next to the Netherlands and Germany, Switzerland & Spain (and other countries ofc.).

As we can see what in Australia happened and in other countries, now apparently in France, it's pretty much stacking.

Also I am kinda in worry about an other huge incident or even a war. No one likes that, we all know how that might escalate.

 

Not only opinions would be involved, even cultures, religions, freedom of speech and the freedom itself.

I'd feel safer outside with a sidearm, though that isn't the best solution and its dark sides again.

People might misunderstand it, call the police, just even more trouble, just mentioning, I guess you know

what I am meaning.

 

Anyway, it's like, sitting and waiting what comes up next...

 

The major events right now (if I can remember)

• Ukraine, also the conflict between the US and Russia
• Australia, Sydney
• France, Paris
• Canada
• and other incidents in the past

It's really harsh and fk'd up lately.

 

I would really appreciate to read your opinions guys.

And if you do so, please do it properly & objectively (I really don't want it to get it out of hands)

Pretty much sadistic doing that. Day to day I'm getting more scared to go outside, but it isn't that bad.

Though, how'd you feel going outside atm in France?

 

It'd creep me the hell out walking around or even in a car, however without the ability to protect myself properly,

I wouldn't dare to go outside my house, who knows if I'd be even safe in there.

So France is straight right next to the Netherlands and Germany, Switzerland & Spain (and other countries ofc.).

As we can see what in Australia happened and in other countries, now apparently in France, it's pretty much stacking.

Also I am kinda in worry about an other huge incident or even a war. No one likes that, we all know how that might escalate.

 

Not only opinions would be involved, even cultures, religions, freedom of speech and the freedom itself.

I'd feel safer outside with a sidearm, though that isn't the best solution and its dark sides again.

People might misunderstand it, call the police, just even more trouble, just mentioning, I guess you know

what I am meaning.

 

Anyway, it's like, sitting and waiting what comes up next...

 

The major events right now (if I can remember)

• Ukraine, also the conflict between the US and Russia
• Australia, Sydney
• France, Paris
• Canada
• and other incidents in the past

It's really harsh and fk'd up lately.

 

I would really appreciate to read your opinions guys.

And if you do so, please do it properly & objectively (I really don't want it to get it out of hands)

I think you can scrap the "Sydney" and "Canada" parts. It was about a month ago stuff happened in AUS, and about two months ago in CAN. It's kinda old news tbh.

Pretty much sadistic doing that. Day to day I'm getting more scared to go outside, but it isn't that bad.

Though, how'd you feel going outside atm in France?

 

It'd creep me the hell out walking around or even in a car, however without the ability to protect myself properly,

I wouldn't dare to go outside my house, who knows if I'd be even safe in there.

 

 

Well, all depends where you live. I live in the south of the country, and nothing happened there so I'm not afraid at all to go outside or to the nearest biggest cities. Also, I think that no one should be scared, that's what those barbaric people want. To tie people up with fear and threats. We must stand up together and remain firm on our positions.

Yeah :l

The point is, I didn't even think about such a thing might happen nearby, though I am not really scared.

It's just that it also might happen right next to the corner. I just don't want that this might happen, I assume no one wants that.

 

And obviously I overreacted with the word "scared", my apologize 

So much for gun control in France.

I can confirm that all national police officers and gendarmes are indeed armed when they're on duty. They don't have assault rifles or shotguns in the trunk of their patrol cars, but they have a 9mm pistol holstered at all times.

 

Just for the heads-up, the 18-year-old student who surrendered to the police yesterday evening after seeing his name circulating on social media has apparently nothing to do with the shooting in Paris.

 

Also, a municipal police officer (a woman) was killed at the scene of a traffic accident after being shot by a man wielding an automatic weapon south of the capital city this morning. A construction worker who was nearby was also wounded. The man, who wasn't involved in yesterday's attack according to the reports, has, AFAIK, not been apprehended yet.

A lot of people seem to think that the main source of the problem would be French immigration. Immigrants flooding the country of France and committing crime against the French people. Does this tie with this issue in any shape or form do you think?

If i recall, this extremists have been around for a long time and have always been considered the outcast of islam correct?

 

But isn't it the same for the bible aswell, does the bible, it states that all who do not believe in the lord will be punished severely aka DEATH.

 

That is not correct. The Bible states to kill those who commit evil, not to kill those who do not believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ. Two separate religions go with two separate portions of the Bible. Christianity goes with the New Testament, Judaism with the Old Testament. The Old Testament is much more harsh than the New Testament.

Edited January 8, 201511 yr by CriminalKillaz

So much for gun control in France.

 

 

Well you have to remember, France doesn't get terrorist attacks like this very often, i actually like their gun laws. But besides that lets these two suspects are caught and punished to the fullest extent. 

RIP to the victims of this tragedy - to the journalists whom exercised their basic rights of free speech to the police officers that made the ultimate sacrifice.  Let's hope the long arm of the law can find the monsters that did this and make 'em pay.

So much for gun control in France.

A lot of people seem to think that the main source of the problem would be French immigration. Immigrants flooding the country of France and committing crime against the French people. Does this tie with this issue in any shape or form do you think?

 

First of all, I highly doubt that if we actually had the same gun control as in the US, it would have solved everything, that free taunt was really -not- needed, especially on such a tragic event.

 

That said, immigration is an easy target for the right and extreme-right wing parties of the country, and will only lead to make people lead to fight each other. Divide and conquer tactic, if people are too busy fighting each other they'll never rebel against the corrupted governments and politics. The problem is that we actually let people leave the country to actually go in training camps in Syria or in Northern Africa and then come back. They are obviously a threat, but well, our intelligence services aren't very efficient on this.

Edited January 8, 201511 yr by Hystery

After they catch the gunmen, don't send them to the electric chair or give them lethal injection, send them to get shot with pellet rifles, not airsoft... What they did was senseless, cruel and fucked up. Give them a slow, painful death with metal bb's and then put a 45. slug in the back of their heads. That's all.