2 minutes ago, B. McDonald said:

Very very valid point. I never thought about it in that way. Although its a little different situation, I do understand where your coming with. Long story short, I agree with both sides. I understand the frustrations from the developers. I understand them wanting more security, but at the same time, I agree with staff about making it public and making it so anyone can download stuff. Its what makes this website/community "unique" I guess you can say. But as I said, i do see where youre coming from. But I also see where staff is coming from. Either way, security isnt the problem, its the ignorant people who decide to do this to developers.

And then the ignorant staff who don’t care to prevent it 🙂   I’m now logging off, if you want to continue this discussion (B. McDonald) you may freely add me on discord SavvvBosss#6364

2 minutes ago, B. McDonald said:

Very very valid point. I never thought about it in that way. Although its a little different situation, I do understand where your coming with. Long story short, I agree with both sides. I understand the frustrations from the developers. I understand them wanting more security, but at the same time, I agree with staff about making it public and making it so anyone can download stuff. Its what makes this website/community "unique" I guess you can say. But as I said, i do see where youre coming from. But I also see where staff is coming from. Either way, security isnt the problem, its the ignorant people who decide to do this to developers.

Those people must be dealt with then. Especially if it happens internally. Even if it happens externally,  launch an investigation's team and work with the external provider.

14 minutes ago, SavvvBosss said:

We’ll see in a couple of months when you won’t be getting all the publicity you do now. All your views come from youtubers who make videos on your mod. The funny thing is people only make the videos and watch them because of the vehicles being used. No one, and no offense to the scripters but I don’t remember the last time I saw “New plugin or script etc.” in someone’s video title or thumbnail. That all gets mentioned later on.

First thirty minutes does it all the time fam. The folks that play this mod appreciate the hard work going into this free mod and its content. While it must suck that someone rips your work, you cant really cast blame on the LSPDFR team. they have enough to deal with keeping their mod moving forward, and besides most of the leaked content isnt even found here its on places like reddit and discord. People cant get pissy with the site moderators here for not dealing with something they never agreed to deal with in the first place.

1 minute ago, officerpudding78 said:

Those people must be dealt with then. Especially if it happens internally. Even if it happens externally,  launch an investigation's team and work with the external provider.

 

YouTube and Discord have other things to worry about.

1 minute ago, Sam said:

 

YouTube and Discord have other things to worry about.

I didn't specifically say a provider. Even if that was the case, there are server owners and channel owners. I'm not strictly talking about a mod on a video. I'm stating that if something seems fishy... invest time into it.

I have not once stated that issues are found directly on YouTube or Discord.

1 minute ago, officerpudding78 said:

I didn't specifically say a provider. Even if that was the case, there are server owners and channel owners. I'm not strictly talking about a mod on a video. I'm stating that if something seems fishy... invest time into it.

 

And our staff investigate many reports that are submitted to us every single day.  As for your other point, I don't think I will have much luck raising the issue with the person that owns the channel - they are the person causing the issue.

7 minutes ago, Sam said:

 

And our staff investigate many reports that are submitted to us every single day.

But how many are resolved. It's hard for us to make an inference on the works of the team with limited information. Statistics maybe? Overall, I gathered that many devs felt attacked. I gathered that some are worried about their content. Others feel that they aren't supported or backed by the staff.

All I'm suggesting is hear out the community. They can help guide the team in areas that may raise concerns. Many here today have brought valid points. But what does it take to be supported by staff?

Do you value the people here? Or is it all for glory and publicity.

Edited March 12, 20197 yr by officerpudding78

3 minutes ago, officerpudding78 said:

But how many are resolved. It's hard for us to make an inference on the works of the team with limited information. Statistics maybe? Overall, I gathered that many devs felt attacked. I gathered that some are worried about their content. Others feel that they aren't supported or backed by the staff.

 

That's the thing.  You can't report a YouTube video on our website.  Whenever content is uploaded that violates our plagiarism rules, we always investigate it when it is reported to us.  Nobody is reporting content to us in this situation, because the content is not on our website, it is on YouTube.

1 minute ago, Sam said:

 

No, our website is built on the principle that anyone can browse and download.  We're not here to shut things off or stop people from downloading mods.  This will never change.

 

People downloading mods is not the problem - it is the whole point of having a downloads section in the first place.

To me, this seems to be a big part of the issue. The developers just want better security for their mods, so it would be harder for people to take/rip/steal modifications from this website. I am getting a feeling people aren't looking into the actual issue here. I think this is becoming a bigger problem now because of "No, our website is built on the principle that anyone can browse and download.  We're not here to shut things off or stop people from downloading mods.  This will never change." Everyone still wants to download modifications that users create, but making a website this easily accessible, with no intention of changing it's protocols, could be one of the reasons, people might be leaving?

2 minutes ago, Sam said:

 

That's the thing.  You can't report a YouTube video on our website.  Whenever content is uploaded that violates our plagiarism rules, we always investigate it when it is reported to us.  Nobody is reporting content to us in this situation, because the content is not on our website, it is on YouTube.

It's not strictly youtube. Replace youtube with other modding forums? Is there no such thing in partnering with other communities to reduce behavior? 

Edited March 12, 20197 yr by officerpudding78

2 minutes ago, JosephCWilson017 said:

To me, this seems to be a big part of the issue. The developers just want better security for their mods, so it would be harder for people to take/rip/steal modifications from this website. I am getting a feeling people aren't looking into the actual issue here. I think this is becoming a bigger problem now because of "No, our website is built on the principle that anyone can browse and download.  We're not here to shut things off or stop people from downloading mods.  This will never change." Everyone still wants to download modifications that users create, but making a website this easily accessible, with no intention of changing it's protocols, could be one of the reasons, people might be leaving?

 

All it takes is one person who is somehow authorized to come on and download it.  There are then thousands of other websites and applications (e.g. Discord) they can upload it to.

Just now, Sam said:

 

All it takes is one person who is somehow authorized to come on and download it.  There are then thousands of other websites and applications (e.g. Discord) they can upload it to.

Oh, okays.

I have no idea why I got a notification for this thread. How do you like..back out? 

9 minutes ago, WildManDan said:

I have no idea why I got a notification for this thread. How do you like..back out? 

at some point you might have hit follow. At the top right hand side there is a button you can click. 

That or you clicked Notify me of replies.

14 minutes ago, WildManDan said:

I have no idea why I got a notification for this thread. How do you like..back out? 

I get the notifications because I follow Sam. I don't mind that at all personally.

Honestly, I dont know what happened, and I dont really care. You people are the undisputed queens of drama. The vast majority are completely incapable of simply communicating their issues in a civilized, intelligent manner, and certainly incapable of having any patience at all with a staff that does this entirely in their free time.  I get people are upset over something, but going on a rant and attacking staff is simply not the answer. Grow up and have some patience.

Man, this thread is a dumpster fire full of ridiculousness.

 

Having read through the majority of the comments, I have yet to see a single reasonable request of the staff of the website. I have no idea how people expect their work to be made public on any website, and also be protected from theft, etc. You're trying to impose an impossible task upon the staff, of which the only solutions are to not post the content, or to only allow a select list of pre-screened people to download the item (Which is a nonsensical solution for a website of this nature).

 

The staff hosting the content on your behalf, only makes them responsible in so far as whether the content breaches their own rules, or applicable laws. That's like expecting walmart to prevent people from renting the movies purchased at their store to other people, or from people taking their item purchased on sale from  Walmart, and trying to return it for full price at Zellars. The site is a point of distribution, not a content management system on your behalf.

 

The effort required to circumvent additional security measures, such as requiring a membership, is so laughingly small compared to the effort to rip models/extract source code/etc., that it would only actually serve to hamper legitimate users. I also have no idea what the expectation of people is if they were to actually move to a different site to publicly release their model's. Public by nature means they will be accessible to the very people you wish to be protected from, as they are an unfortunate part of said public.

 

I also find it funny that content creators here are using the excuse "well, have you ever had your content stolen?", as if that provides any special perspective on the situation. Im in the opposite boat, in that I can't release any of my created content (only skins), because each one borrow's from someone else's work in some capacity, and i respect the author's wishes of the borrowed content. I don't need my content to be stolen, to have the perspective that having content stolen sucks.

 

Even banning a person becomes an iffy proposition, as different people can have the same username for different applications. Evidence only goes so far to say that a person named billy-joe-bob on discord (As an example) ripped the files, when the same billy-joe-bob on here could be from an entirely different country.

 

As to the way staff treated "the community", I didn't see the original thread, however this thread really isn't making me sympathize, as reasonableness is quite clearly not a requirement for entry.

 

Edited March 12, 20197 yr by zach016

1 hour ago, xPredatorz said:

at some point you might have hit follow. At the top right hand side there is a button you can click. 

That or you clicked Notify me of replies.

Thanks dude

TL:DR;

Bunch of dudes get triggered after their mods got ripped and outraged at G17 staff for "not protecting their files"

 

The staff thinks that it is impossible to protect peoples files on a public website

 

People want to make it private but sam said that its not going to change

 

(Personally, I think if some modders can't take the risk of file getting stolen on a public website, gtfo and quit modding)

53 minutes ago, loleikz said:

(Personally, I think if some modders can't take the risk of file getting stolen on a public website, gtfo and quit modding)

Pretty foul stance impo to take since you obviously don’t get it.  If I choose to get into modelling but don’t want to give this community another 2014 charger or crown vic based off the same old dev model as 10 other files out there, that means I have to buy a 3d model which can cost hundreds, pay to have it converted, templated, etc etc.  Then I upload it on here for everyone to download for free and a group of kids decide that everything i had to pay big bucks should be free for them to chop up any way they so choose. NO!  Additionally you missed the first two threads that brought us to this point that a Staff member here chose to insult the entire community and then delete the threads when it blew up in his face.  Pretty much all anyone ever wanted was the Staff of LCPDFR to at least act like they care about the devs and maybe ban the known worst offenders who do this. It may not stop it completely and there may not be a way to stop it completely but show the members who spend hundreds of dollars to make LSPDFR better that the staff appreciates their contributions