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First of all, im really disappointed that some big names have left and are selling thir mods behind a paywall ( damn muricans and their capitalism). I've always thought that people who make mods, do it in their free time because they like doing it. No one is forcing you... Now all of the sudden y'all are trying to make a living out of "modding". I understand that it takes hours, i've tried making car models myself and i understand that some very very high quality models are behind a paywall, but boycotting the site and deleting all your mods then making them behind a paywall is fucking dumb. Secondly, i dont know what part of "we cant control what happens outside of our site" you guys dont understand... Do you want Sam to take an ar and start hunting people who rip off mods? The only proposals i've seen from you completely go against the nature of lcpdfr.com... From all those years in this community, now you understand that uploading any file to this site makes them PUBLIC????? ANYONE can download that and the staff can do nothing about it. They arent the fbi, cia, interpol, kgb or whatever. If you want to make a living out of your mods, go for it. In conclusion, If you don't want your mods ripped off, go ahead and put them behind a paywall, enjoy making( what, 100 euro a month or smth?) from them. Uploading mods to this site makes them available to everyone and if someone wants to make harm, they will anyway. I advise forgetting all about this and bring back the pleasure of making mods becuase you like doing so and not because you are trying to make 40-50 euro per sale, cuz im sure there are less than 20 people here willing to pay so much fucking money for mods. I understand the hardwork but i think ive made myself clear. Lets bring back the positive vibes in this community. Peace out.

 

ps. about ezra tho.... never seen his "controversial" post, idk what to think ( so link it to me or send ss)

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@verony28066 I would just counter your statement with the fact that the devs leaving here are NOT putting their mods behind a paywall. I know of no one who has left here recently and transitioned to that form of model dissemination. The people doing it today are the same people who were doing it months ago, or longer. The devs leaving here are moving to a location that at least tries to have some semblance of security for the community, not just the models being downloaded... but the forums, gallery, etc. I take pleasure in spending hours and dollars on models that I share with the community for no charge to them... but I don't take pleasure in being ripped off after the fact, and no backing from the host management team.

 

P.S. The stuff with Ezra is dead, and being handled. No need to really bring that all back up again, but the comments he made were difficult to read from a representative of staff.

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11 minutes ago, medic4523 said:

@verony28066 I would just counter your statement with the fact that the devs leaving here are NOT putting their mods behind a paywall. I know of no one who has left here recently and transitioned to that form of model dissemination. The people doing it today are the same people who were doing it months ago, or longer. The devs leaving here are moving to a location that at least tries to have some semblance of security for the community, not just the models being downloaded... but the forums, gallery, etc. I take pleasure in spending hours and dollars on models that I share with the community for no charge to them... but I don't take pleasure in being ripped off after the fact, and no backing from the host management team.

 

P.S. The stuff with Ezra is dead, and being handled. No need to really bring that all back up again, but the comments he made were difficult to read from a representative of staff.

Understandable. Im not really keeping up with who leaves and when they leave but i know most good devs have their mods behind a paywall. I'm also curious which is this "new" location. Thank you for your mods and take care.

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5 minutes ago, verony28066 said:

Understandable. Im not really keeping up with who leaves and when they leave but i know most good devs have their mods behind a paywall. I'm also curious which is this "new" location. Thank you for your mods and take care.

The sad part is... when you're good at the work, people want more... and if you start producing more, then you quickly transition from a hobby, to a business... and that business has to be supported somehow. The answer is usually charging, because just relying on donations doesn't cut it. 

 

I personally have nothing against those who do charge. That is their operation to run, has no impact on me, and really isn't anyone's business. But when it comes to dev models and parts, I come into it knowing that I'll likely have to pay to use it... because the guy who bought it from TurboSquid or whatever also paid for it. And you either take the loss if you can afford it, or you find means to offset your expenses. Not everything is free in life, nor should it be... that's just not how it works. 

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54 minutes ago, verony28066 said:

First of all, im really disappointed that some big names have left and are selling thir mods behind a paywall ( damn muricans and their capitalism). I've always thought that people who make mods, do it in their free time because they like doing it. No one is forcing you... Now all of the sudden y'all are trying to make a living out of "modding". I understand that it takes hours, i've tried making car models myself and i understand that some very very high quality models are behind a paywall, but boycotting the site and deleting all your mods then making them behind a paywall is fucking dumb. Secondly, i dont know what part of "we cant control what happens outside of our site" you guys dont understand... Do you want Sam to take an ar and start hunting people who rip off mods? The only proposals i've seen from you completely go against the nature of lcpdfr.com... From all those years in this community, now you understand that uploading any file to this site makes them PUBLIC????? ANYONE can download that and the staff can do nothing about it. They arent the fbi, cia, interpol, kgb or whatever. If you want to make a living out of your mods, go for it. In conclusion, If you don't want your mods ripped off, go ahead and put them behind a paywall, enjoy making( what, 100 euro a month or smth?) from them. Uploading mods to this site makes them available to everyone and if someone wants to make harm, they will anyway. I advise forgetting all about this and bring back the pleasure of making mods becuase you like doing so and not because you are trying to make 40-50 euro per sale, cuz im sure there are less than 20 people here willing to pay so much fucking money for mods. I understand the hardwork but i think ive made myself clear. Lets bring back the positive vibes in this community. Peace out.

 

ps. about ezra tho.... never seen his "controversial" post, idk what to think ( so link it to me or send ss)

None of us is putting them behind a paywall (except the ones who already have them but those were not here before anyway) most of us who just hide our files were just trying to figure out a solution and some were trying to move to a different website which is at least TRYING to protect our mods and they dont ignore us.

 

I think what annoyed a lot of us(modelers) was the repsonse one of the moderators gave to the person who was asking what happened to Medics mods (this is pretty much what caused this whole "forum war") but i am not gonna extend to that.

 

What i want to say is  whether the solution can or cant be givven from the staff all we wanted was to talk to them but from what i would hear every modder who was trying to talk to them about it was geting a really ignorant response. We just wanted to talk was all bear in mind the person causing this is not banned for whaever reason the management team doesnt seem to want to ban him (which at this point i wont argue with this if they dont want they can let him on here then) but if well known rippers are allowed on the site and they can post files(they havent posted yet but wait till they start posting models with ripped parts) and start drama.

 

Truth is if i say something wrong or start trolling in the forum section i will get warnings points and eventually get my acount banned but staff and moderation members here give the repsonse that if the rippers get banned they can ban evade (which is true) by changing ips etc. But with that logic there is no point in banning people for other things like trolling and being abusive in the forums/comments/reviews etc (since they can ban evade and continiue trolling as well) so lets just let this community be full of troll accounts and rippers.

 

2 hours ago, loleikz said:

TL:DR;

Bunch of dudes get triggered after their mods got ripped and outraged at G17 staff for "not protecting their files"

 

The staff thinks that it is impossible to protect peoples files on a public website

 

People want to make it private but sam said that its not going to change

 

(Personally, I think if some modders can't take the risk of file getting stolen on a public website, gtfo and quit modding)

we can do that but then there will be no one left here moding so you can just stick to default cars. all we want is our work to remain our work.

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7 minutes ago, verony28066 said:

@panoszaf Agreed. But as far as i know, only ezra responded and to be honest i also have had bad experience with ezra. That's just how he is. He is a moderator though, Sam and cyan are responsible for this site.

yes he is just a moderator but still part of the staff team and he also has some rensposibility he cant just call us idiots and drama queens and take us for granted all in public and not expect a response and like i said in one of my previous comments: 

 

"One thing i have to say that when staff on a website calls us idiots because we trying to find a way to protect our work that some of us work for weeks and even months out of our free time  but still provide to this community for free is the most obsurd thing i have heard for ages. Staff members statements  in antyhing Company, Site, roblox server doesnt matter reflects back to them (company or site) and what their stance is on things.  This actually annoyed me more than the whole situation with people ripping models."

 

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i was  never worried , large companies and groups of anti modding communities have tried and failed and in the GTA community alone its happened over the last couple years from the game devs themselves and they failed.

 

Some childish moderator was never gonna shut us down . Maybe chase us to different websites but if thats what the staff wanted they have got even closer  with this nonsense.

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@panoszafAgain, i've never actually seen his comment or post so i cant express a valid opinion, but imho ezra is just a moderator, he is not on a payroll so i don't really think we can compare him to an actual employee of a firm. Yes he is childish and imo an idiot for what he supposedly said, but i think his comment on the matter is just his personal opinion and should be forgotten. I don't think it deservs all this attention. Just like a youtube comment. Useless opinion by a "nobody". He is nobody. 

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12 minutes ago, verony28066 said:

@panoszafAgain, i've never actually seen his comment or post so i cant express a valid opinion, but imho ezra is just a moderator, he is not on a payroll so i don't really think we can compare him to an actual employee of a firm. Yes he is childish and imo an idiot for what he supposedly said, but i think his comment on the matter is just his personal opinion and should be forgotten. I don't think it deservs all this attention. Just like a youtube comment. Useless opinion by a "nobody". He is nobody. 

I am not saying he is on a payroll etc but adding fuel to fire is not something that you would expect from a staff member regardless on if he is being paid or not i have to say that personally it is what pushed me away from this site. i am not gonna extend anymore on this matter the damage is already done.

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1 hour ago, verony28066 said:

@panoszafAgain, i've never actually seen his comment or post so i cant express a valid opinion, but imho ezra is just a moderator, he is not on a payroll so i don't really think we can compare him to an actual employee of a firm. Yes he is childish and imo an idiot for what he supposedly said, but i think his comment on the matter is just his personal opinion and should be forgotten. I don't think it deservs all this attention. Just like a youtube comment. Useless opinion by a "nobody". He is nobody. 

Generally speaking paid or unpaid if your speaking from a position of power or assumed power derived from a company or group it is no longer your personal opinion but the opinion of that company or group. I work directly with Medic4523, We constantly explain to our staff members that handle everything from moderation to support cases that they speak with our voice because we put them in those positions to assist people so they need to be aware of what they are saying and how as it reflects on Medic's name/brand. 

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5 hours ago, panoszaf said:

Truth is if i say something wrong or start trolling in the forum section i will get warnings points and eventually get my acount banned but staff and moderation members here give the repsonse that if the rippers get banned they can ban evade (which is true) by changing ips etc. But with that logic there is no point in banning people for other things like trolling and being abusive in the forums/comments/reviews etc (since they can ban evade and continiue trolling as well) so lets just let this community be full of troll accounts and rippers.

 

The problem is, while a person who is forum banned can certainly ban evade, if they continue their ban-able behavior, such behavior is done publicly, which can allow the next account to be identified and banned as well. Therefore they can realistically perform a rolling ban of that person as long as they continue their ban-able behavior, without even having to identify that the accounts actually belong to a singular person.

 

For a ripper to ban evade, all they need to do is create a second account, and not disclose the new account that was created. The actual ban-able behavior is neither done publicly, or in view of the websites logs, and therefore the person ban evading, cannot be identified after the initial ban evasion unless they themselves do something to make it obvious.

 

Im not against banning someone who is ripping content, but reality is such a ban is merely security theatre, where-as forum bans can realistically encourage someone to change their behavior to stay, or get bored and leave. The staff are rightfully so pointing out that nothing they do will realistically prevent someone from taking content that is made public, and changing,  or utilizing it in unintended ways once the content is on that person's hard-drive.

 

Sadly, changing websites for content security purposes won't actually result in that content being secure, as long as the content is still public.

 

 

 

 

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21 hours ago, SamuelOlson1701 said:

Actually I remember you DID remove your stuff after that super long post in april, and like a month or two later it re-appeared along with 4 or so new packs. 

  He didn't remove his stuff.

 

  And I don't quite get what you all expect them to do about stopping someone from ripping.  Obviously you people don't undertand security and are placing your security into a place that cant protect what you made. By that i mean, MU.

 

  And with t0y, he had a issue with things that were under the staff's control, someone stealing your stuff is out of their control. 

 

Y'all need to grow up and argue with some logic.

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22 minutes ago, ToeBius said:

  He didn't remove his stuff.

 

  And I don't quite get what you all expect them to do about stopping someone from ripping.  Obviously you people don't undertand security and are placing your security into a place that cant protect what you made. By that i mean, MU.

 

  And with t0y, he had a issue with things that were under the staff's control, someone stealing your stuff is out of their control. 

 

Y'all need to grow up and argue with some logic.

How can you tell us to grow up when you've never have had anything ripped from you? I've had a whole folder of custom civilian cars ripped like lifted trucks and drag cars. Some of those I paid for. So you can't say crap right now as you have never experienced what most of us devs have gone through. Most of these amazing devs have spent days and weeks on their work and for it to be ripped, unlocked and sold on UGM or something, it's basically a kick in the nuts to the dev that took their time out of their day to make it just for someone to fuck it over. 

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16 minutes ago, Lieutenant Husky said:

How can you tell us to grow up when you've never have had anything ripped from you? I've had a whole folder of custom civilian cars ripped like lifted trucks and drag cars. Some of those I paid for. So you can't say crap right now as you have never experienced what most of us devs have gone through. Most of these amazing devs have spent days and weeks on their work and for it to be ripped, unlocked and sold on UGM or something, it's basically a kick in the nuts to the dev that took their time out of their day to make it just for someone to fuck it over. 

  Well I have never had shit ripped from me but I have had stuff stolen from me.  Your all bitching at them over something that is not preventable and going to another platform that will NOT make your stuff any safer.  You want my advice?  Stop making stuff.  

 

  So yea, I have had shit stolen from me and I do know what its like, but you all need to step into reality and stop living in fantasy.

 

  If there is a will, there is a way.

 

Good day sir.

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9 minutes ago, Canelo said:

Can someone please briefly explain me what happened? I'm reading the comments and I don't get it 🤨

So basically over the weekend a group of developers decided to make a more secure website to host their models. Someone noticed the models were no longer on here and asked a question. A community Moderator replied calling all the developers doing this drama queens and they would come crawling back eventually. Obviously said group did not take the blatant disrespect kindly. Once said moderator realized he messed up he started deleting and locking the threads. That prompted even more backlash as not only were they disrespected but they were also being censored. Right now some of us are discussing options for moving forward with the staff here. Its likely if you want to get your vehicles from one website and your LSPDFR and scripts from another. 

4 minutes ago, ToeBius said:

  Well I have never had shit ripped from me but I have had stuff stolen from me.  Your all bitching at them over something that is not preventable and going to another platform that will NOT make your stuff any safer.  You want my advice?  Stop making stuff.  

 

  So yea, I have had shit stolen from me and I do know what its like, but you all need to step into reality and stop living in fantasy.

 

  If there is a will, there is a way.

 

Good day sir.


So using your great example. I want money I should be able to take your money with 0 repercussions because you cant stop me. Also no one should want a way to report me for taking said money because its not like its going to stop me?


No one is expecting miracles and we know even with the increased security we are setting up its not going to be 100% prevention. We are making it as difficult as possible for them. What most of us want is an open dialogue with the staff to work out realistic prevention/punishment/reporting. A shoulder shrug and, "welp until they post it here its not our problem." Is the same as saying feel free to rip and steal whatever you want. As long as you dont come in and shit in my house I dont care. 

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12 minutes ago, xPredatorz said:

So using your great example. I want money I should be able to take your money with 0 repercussions because you cant stop me. Also no one should want a way to report me for taking said money because its not like its going to stop me?

  Where did you get that from?  Fantasy land?  If someone takes your stuff without permission, gather the evidence and report it.  If someone downloads your stuff and then rips it, what can be done to stop it.  And plus, arnt these cars being used ripped from other games?

 

15 minutes ago, xPredatorz said:

No one is expecting miracles and we know even with the increased security we are setting up its not going to be 100% prevention. We are making it as difficult as possible for them. What most of us want is an open dialogue with the staff to work out realistic prevention/punishment/reporting. A shoulder shrug and, "welp until they post it here its not our problem." Is the same as saying feel free to rip and steal whatever you want. As long as you dont come in and shit in my house I dont care

  What are they supposed to do if it isnt posted on their site?  Invade the other site?  Ban people from this platform that have the same name as someone else on another site?  What can they do?  Your not going to make it difficult, they find ways and it wont be difficult.  Your just asking for imaginary protection.  Its literally a download.

 

  I guess they can ask what their intentions are prior to allowing the download.

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