Jump to content
The latest updated version of RAGE Plugin Hook, required to play LSPDFR, can be found inside the LSPDFR download. It is not currently available on the RAGE Plugin Hook website.

Still waiting...


Recommended Posts

2 minutes ago, B. McDonald said:

I am indeed serious. And its not that I don't care enough. As hard as it may be for you to believe, I do actually care. As I said, i have friends who doe vehicle modeling. I myself do ELS modeling. However, i know this is a risk, which is why I don't release. I only make them for good friends. Also, im not against "better security" for this website. I just don't know how you would be able to do it. Theres literally no way to prevent this. I wont lie, i do agree that you should HAVE to make an account to download anything. Will it help with this problem? Ehhh maybe, but probably not. Now, when it comes to proof, here's the problem with screenshots and stuff (I know someone posted one up above, but don't recall who). Those can easily be staged to "get back" at someone for something. I can make a new discord account, with your exact name and go around saying "I just ripped your model and im going to send it out". Someone sees that and reports it to staff on LSPDFR. You get banned because an account on discord matching YOUR name said they were doing it. How would you feel? How would you like that to happen. And you know what, maybe snowflakes isnt the proper term to use, youre right. Ill be civil and wont do any name calling, as that would ruin an argument (I will actually edit my post and take it out). As to your comment of " this site would be nothing without those who showed real dedication to making the vehicles we have now", you are completely correct! Without modelers or even modders in general taking time out of their day to make stuff to enhance this game, this game would be really boring. My point is this, I understand your frustrations, but dont go crying (not saying YOU specifically are) to staff on a PUBLIC website about something they cant control and something that didn't even happen on their website. Im sure there's more bans then you think because of stuff like this. We just don't know because we aren't staff. I would agree with "better security", but don't know how you would go about that... 

I appreciate you rephrasing your statement but If people want some real quality content they should be willing to take the needed security measurements to go ahead and access that content. MU requires you to verify with discord and be in their server with the member tag which ALSO requires you to go through “AltIdentifier”, it might be easy to bypass but those who are trying to rip and steal the models are going to get tired of changing vpn ips, making or generating new emails, generating fake phone numbers (if you can do that prob just use a app) and consistently verifying on the site and discord to get to the models. Now I’m not saying that LCPDFR needs to do all of that but those are people who really care about their models and other content like skins and peds and want to at least show their community they care about the developers and the content they put out. Unlike LCPDFR where literally anyone can download anything and not have to provide any verification except for some dumb a** capchta that doesn’t prove ANYTHING. Like let’s be real. When’s the last time a “robot” tried to download something of this site or any gta site in general. LCPDFR could at least start off by requiring people to make a account and go through a decent verification process and maybe limit that person to 2 or so accounts by their IP (which I’m sure is possible) to ensure some sort of security and show that they care about their developers within this community.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, Cyan said:

Our website is a website where anyone (account or not) can download files. What they do with those files after is completely out of our control.

If you do want your files to be locked to a certain community, that's on you. But on LCPDFR.com, anyone can download files.

I'm sure there is some way to stop users from downloading files from a website, as anonymous? Downloading from a website like this, with lots of website traffic, without an account is extremely unsafe and it makes files easily downloadable and redistributable. Maybe use the CAPTCHA system when making a new account for more security? It's already used when downloading a file, so would making that for website security be effective? No one is going to be continuing using a service, like this website, if their work, is not going to be protected. Maybe a whitelisted (whitelist) method could be useful, with account validation? You know, to help stop anonymous users from downloading files and redistributing them.

Video Creator & Photographer

 

https://youtube.com/@JoeCWilson

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, firemanjay said:

I mean I can just post screenshots of the banned account; laugh at you for looking like a dumbass; or I can make you squirm like you already probably are; because you're realizing how little I give a damn about you; this site, or at this point any of this.

So I tell ya what -> You can post your formal ban logs/warning logs/all administrative actions logs -> since you're willing to allow another user to post [literally] whatever they want about another user [i.e. you telling me to provide proof] I dont owe you dick sir 🙂 IF you're NOT opposed to ME posting it; why cant you? I am not staff here, so I have nothing to give you; I can challenge you in whatever way I see fit and as long as I maintain general courtesy and respectful nature -> I should [in theory] be fine -> Unless you wanna start [literally] banning for people speaking against you; 😄

You showing proof of someone "claiming to be banned" (a screenshot of that conversation) is completely different from an admin/staff member posting their ban log/form... A little conversation (your proof) and a ban log (sams proof) aren't really the same thing. Walk up to your boss (If you work, I don't know your life) and tell him you wanna see the papers of someone who was fired from your workplace. its not your job to look at them is it? They aren't for YOUR eyes. you initiated the argument of him getting banned, if anything, YOU should be showing the proof that he was. Unless you don't have any of course...

3 minutes ago, officerpudding78 said:

You do els dev? I've never heard of you before lol

If you read further, you would know that the reason you have never heard of me, is because I don't release. I think I've made about 3-5 cars for some friends. So I know how to do it. im by all means not a "large" developer... Read through the entire statement before trying to criticize me buddy....

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, B. McDonald said:

You showing proof of someone "claiming to be banned" (a screenshot of that conversation) is completely different from an admin/staff member posting their ban log/form... A little conversation (your proof) and a ban log (sams proof) aren't really the same thing. Walk up to your boss (If you work, I don't know your life) and tell him you wanna see the papers of someone who was fired from your workplace. its not your job to look at them is it? They aren't for YOUR eyes. you initiated the argument of him getting banned, if anything, YOU should be showing the proof that he was. Unless you don't have any of course...

If you read further, you would know that the reason you have never heard of me, is because I don't release. I think I've made about 3-5 cars for some friends. So I know how to do it. im by all means not a "large" developer... Read through the entire statement before trying to criticize me buddy....

I didn't say you had to be "large" I'm just asking who are you because I've never heard of you bud.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, SavvvBosss said:

When’s the last time a “robot” tried to download something of this site or any gta site in general. LCPDFR could at least start off by requiring people to make a account and go through a decent verification process and maybe limit that person to 2 or so accounts by their IP (which I’m sure is possible) to ensure some sort of security and show that they care about their developers within this community.

 

Actually, this happens frequently.  We don't have the security check for no reason.  It is so that people can't force the website offline by making thousands and thousands of download requests which would overload the server.

"You tell me exactly what you want, and I will very carefully explain to you why it cannot be."

Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 minutes ago, SavvvBosss said:

I appreciate you rephrasing your statement but If people want some real quality content they should be willing to take the needed security measurements to go ahead and access that content. MU requires you to verify with discord and be in their server with the member tag which ALSO requires you to go through “AltIdentifier”, it might be easy to bypass but those who are trying to rip and steal the models are going to get tired of changing vpn ips, making or generating new emails, generating fake phone numbers (if you can do that prob just use a app) and consistently verifying on the site and discord to get to the models. Now I’m not saying that LCPDFR needs to do all of that but those are people who really care about their models and other content like skins and peds and want to at least show their community they care about the developers and the content they put out. Unlike LCPDFR where literally anyone can download anything and not have to provide any verification except for some dumb a** capchta that doesn’t prove ANYTHING. Like let’s be real. When’s the last time a “robot” tried to download something of this site or any gta site in general. LCPDFR could at least start off by requiring people to make a account and go through a decent verification process and maybe limit that person to 2 or so accounts by their IP (which I’m sure is possible) to ensure some sort of security and show that they care about their developers within this community.

First, I do agree with the capchta thing. That annoys the crap out of me lol, but I do understand why they have it I guess. Second, the verification process.... See, I did not know that I did not think about that. Again, im not against better security. I just don't know how they would go about it (other than the verification thing you explained that I JUST learned about). Yes, the more things a new member has to go through, the less of a chance of someone coming in just to rip models. Someone with these intentions obviously wont want to go through that. I do completely agree with the whole requiring account thing.  Ive said that when I first joined this website

Edited by B. McDonald
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, Sam said:

 

Actually, this happens frequently.  We don't have the security check for no reason.  It is so that people can't force the website offline by making thousands and thousands of download requests which would overload the server.

Now excuse my lack of knowledge if so but that sounds more of a ddos attack to me but please, correct me if I’m wrong and If im not then why not get a browser check/ extra ddos protection. Something else MU has.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, SavvvBosss said:

Now excuse my lack of knowledge if so but that sounds more of a ddos attack to me but please, correct me if I’m wrong and If im not then why not get a browser check/ extra ddos protection. Something else MU has.

 

We invest substantial amounts of time and money into keeping this website online.  The security check is part of the protection.

Protecting a website like this (with over a million pageviews daily) is a lot different to protecting a small community.

"You tell me exactly what you want, and I will very carefully explain to you why it cannot be."

Link to comment
Share on other sites

 

4 minutes ago, officerpudding78 said:

I didn't say you had to be "large" I'm just asking who are you because I've never heard of you bud.

Gotcha, my apologies. Obviously hard to tell the tone of someone through text. I just assumed it was sarcastic or something. Like I said, I don't really release anything because of this risk. If im being honest, im no genius when it comes to this stuff. I wouldn't be able to compete with half the people on this forum lol. But I know how and I do it on the side for friends. I also make skins, have made SEVERAL for personal use and for use within a FiveM community. I have contemplated releasing some of the skins, but don't really know if its worth it or not.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, B. McDonald said:

First, I do agree with the capchta thing. That annoys the crap out of me lol, but I do understand why they have it I guess. Second, the verification process.... See, I did not know that I did not think about that. Again, im not against better security. I just don't know how they would go about it (other than the verification thing you explained that I JUST learned about). Yes, the more things a new member has to go through, the less of a chance of someone coming in just to rip models. Someone with these intentions obviously wont want to go through that. I do completely agree with the whole requiring account thing.  Ive said that when I first joined this website

Glad we are starting to see each other’s points. One other thing I left out is you have to login with steam before creating your actual account on the site. As said before, people will get tired of making new accounts just to do that. Now I don’t really agree with that method because I’m sure their are people with the old fashion disc drives and stuff that don’t have steam. They might want to make a account just to download something.

Just now, SavvvBosss said:

Glad we are starting to see each other’s points. One other thing I left out is you have to login with steam before creating your actual account on the site. As said before, people will get tired of making new accounts just to do that. Now I don’t really agree with that method because I’m sure their are people with the old fashion disc drives and stuff that don’t have steam. They might want to make a account just to download something.

My overall point is that their needs to be more security to protect the future modelers of this site because honestly the major ones from here are far gone

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, B. McDonald said:

 

Gotcha, my apologies. Obviously hard to tell the tone of someone through text. I just assumed it was sarcastic or something. Like I said, I don't really release anything because of this risk. If im being honest, im no genius when it comes to this stuff. I wouldn't be able to compete with half the people on this forum lol. But I know how and I do it on the side for friends. I also make skins, have made SEVERAL for personal use and for use within a FiveM community. I have contemplated releasing some of the skins, but don't really know if its worth it or not.

It's all good, and sarcasm was not intended.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Management Team
Just now, SavvvBosss said:

Now excuse my lack of knowledge if so but that sounds more of a ddos attack to me but please, correct me if I’m wrong and If im not then why not get a browser check/ extra ddos protection. Something else MU has.

Stuff gets a little different when you start handling multiple terabytes and tens of thousands of users per day. However, we have plans in place to make our CAPTCHA system a little less annoying for members.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, Sam said:

 

We invest substantial amounts of time and money into keeping this website online.  The security check is part of the protection.

Protecting a website like this (with over a million pageviews daily) is a lot different to protecting a small community.

Compared to LCPDFR atm MU might be small but no doubt in due time they will be right behind you in numbers. Why not take their advice with their security features instead of saying “this is a free site” so are they. They don’t require any money to download anything. Just to pass the security validation.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 minutes ago, SavvvBosss said:

Now excuse my lack of knowledge if so but that sounds more of a ddos attack to me but please, correct me if I’m wrong and If im not then why not get a browser check/ extra ddos protection. Something else MU has.

 

On 12/30/2016 at 1:17 AM, Cyan said:

We used CloudFlare before and on a paid plan. We got a very large attack and they redirected all the traffic back to our origin servers claiming a "system error". Our level of bandwidth consumpution and attack volumes would require their enterprise plans. It's also not a magic solution to targetted attacks.

 

We are in the list of top 9k sites in the US, after all.

 

You are using the WRONG right theme!

[ WIPs | Donate | 🌌 Join Mod Multiverse!]
Flashing LED lightbar in British configuration

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, SavvvBosss said:

Glad we are starting to see each other’s points. One other thing I left out is you have to login with steam before creating your actual account on the site. As said before, people will get tired of making new accounts just to do that. Now I don’t really agree with that method because I’m sure their are people with the old fashion disc drives and stuff that don’t have steam. They might want to make a account just to download something.

Agreed. Thats actually not a bad idea. To create an account to even just to download anything, they should make you "verify" using some other account. Whether its a steam account, discord account, etc. Then maybe it will deter people from stealing models. I don't know, like I said, Its really difficult to stop this, especially when its happening off of the LSPDFR website. At that point it would be the developers job to deal with it. LSPDFR staff should not get bashed for "letting it happen". As im sure you can understand, they cant control what people do. Best thing they can do is brainstorm, get opinions from members (CIVILLY) and improve security, if possible. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, Sniper296 said:

 

 

We’ll see in a couple of months when you won’t be getting all the publicity you do now. All your views come from youtubers who make videos on your mod. The funny thing is people only make the videos and watch them because of the vehicles being used. No one, and no offense to the scripters but I don’t remember the last time I saw “New plugin or script etc.” in someone’s video title or thumbnail. That all gets mentioned later on.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 minutes ago, B. McDonald said:

Agreed. Thats actually not a bad idea. To create an account to even just to download anything, they should make you "verify" using some other account. Whether its a steam account, discord account, etc. Then maybe it will deter people from stealing models. I don't know, like I said, Its really difficult to stop this, especially when its happening off of the LSPDFR website. At that point it would be the developers job to deal with it. LSPDFR staff should not get bashed for "letting it happen". As im sure you can understand, they cant control what people do. Best thing they can do is brainstorm, get opinions from members (CIVILLY) and improve security, if possible. 

 

No, our website is built on the principle that anyone can browse and download.  We're not here to shut things off or stop people from downloading mods.  This will never change.

 

People downloading mods is not the problem - it is the whole point of having a downloads section in the first place.

"You tell me exactly what you want, and I will very carefully explain to you why it cannot be."

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, B. McDonald said:

Agreed. Thats actually not a bad idea. To create an account to even just to download anything, they should make you "verify" using some other account. Whether its a steam account, discord account, etc. Then maybe it will deter people from stealing models. I don't know, like I said, Its really difficult to stop this, especially when its happening off of the LSPDFR website. At that point it would be the developers job to deal with it. LSPDFR staff should not get bashed for "letting it happen". As im sure you can understand, they cant control what people do. Best thing they can do is brainstorm, get opinions from members (CIVILLY) and improve security, if possible. 

Respectfully, I haven’t seen anyone here say they can control it and stop it. The only thing we are trying to get across is that by their wording and actions it seems like they don’t care about the actual developers. When a crime happens in NYC and then moves to Ulster, the NYPD doesn’t just say “oh it’s outside our jurisdiction so we don’t have any control anymore” no they are still helping the local and involved agencies out it preventing and figuring out what happened. That’s all LCPDFR needs to do is help out.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, SavvvBosss said:

We’ll see in a couple of months when you won’t be getting all the publicity you do now. All your views come from youtubers who make videos on your mod. The funny thing is people only make the videos and watch them because of the vehicles being used. No one, and no offense to the scripters but I don’t remember the last time I saw “New plugin or script etc.” in someone’s video title or thumbnail. That all gets mentioned later on. 

 

I didn't know I'm G17 Media now. I also didn't know I made LSPDFR. :thinking_intensifies:

 

I guess I need this as my signature

My views and opinions are my own. I am a human, not a company. Even if the United States doesn't know there is a difference between the two and gives a company religious rights.

You are using the WRONG right theme!

[ WIPs | Donate | 🌌 Join Mod Multiverse!]
Flashing LED lightbar in British configuration

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, SavvvBosss said:

Respectfully, I haven’t seen anyone here say they can control it and stop it. The only thing we are trying to get across is that by their wording and actions it seems like they don’t care about the actual developers. When a crime happens in NYC and then moves to Ulster, the NYPD doesn’t just say “oh it’s outside our jurisdiction so we don’t have any control anymore” no they are still helping the local and involved agencies out it preventing and figuring out what happened. That’s all LCPDFR needs to do is help out.

Very very valid point. I never thought about it in that way. Although its a little different situation, I do understand where your coming with. Long story short, I agree with both sides. I understand the frustrations from the developers. I understand them wanting more security, but at the same time, I agree with staff about making it public and making it so anyone can download stuff. Its what makes this website/community "unique" I guess you can say. But as I said, i do see where youre coming from. But I also see where staff is coming from. Either way, security isnt the problem, its the ignorant people who decide to do this to developers.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.




×
×
  • Create New...