Jump to content

Baton Rouge Shooting. Three Officers feared dead.


Recommended Posts

Just now, 125 LINCOLN 23 said:

obviously that can be and is applied to all laws, I didn't think the others were being discussed here.

No, but "criminals don't obey the law, so we shouldn't have the law" is silly. I've only ever heard that argument used against gun laws.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Management Team
4 minutes ago, 125 LINCOLN 23 said:

obviously that can be and is applied to all laws, I didn't think the others were being discussed here.

Speeding causes deaths, so we enforce speed limits. Texting and driving causes deaths, so we outlaw texting and driving. Guns become even more of a problem, "more laws won't help."

The whole gun control argument is so backwards.

"Work and ideas get stolen, then you keep moving on doing your thing."

Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 minutes ago, thegreathah said:

They may not be used for homicides but they are used in mass shootings, mass shootings happen to be going up statistically and homicide rates have gone down over the last two decades.

So the solution to that is to strip a specific type of weapon out of the hands of millions of citizens due to an increased frequency of mass shootings? Even though these types of weapons have been commercially available long before these mass shooting trends have began. I want these issues solved as much as everyone else, but the variable of the firearm hasn't changed in a number of years. So why go after an unchanging variable when it's clear that isn't whats causing these killings. Its like putting a band aid on a broken leg, you're not actually solving the problem.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Another shooting. My thoughts go out to the dead officers.
I don't want to be involved in the political debate so I'm not going to follow this topic.

f5206360dd4e4e316b6c1f56c39f20d3.png

 

My Railmiles statistics: https://generic.railmiles.me/

I live in the UK. This means I will respond the most from 3-11pm BST/GMT. Do not contact for support here or through Discord.
Discord: generic train man#7633 --------------- Youtube: The Starmix

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, TylerF said:

<------------------------------ Law Enforcement.

I don't have an issue with civilian gun ownership, be it "assault weapons" or what have you. Nor any of my co-workers. Many of us are hobbyists in our own right.

The gun control argument is just an distraction.

I wouldn't either, but we live in a cruel world where sickos run around gunning down their own people and protectors. Obviously something is wrong here and needs to be done.

Edited by Lundy
Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, RexCramer said:

Terrible, but I hate to say I'm not too surprised. If all that's shown through the media is officers killing people and all that's discussed by community and national leaders is perceived issues of law enforcement with race its a ticking time bomb for people to act out violently. With guns, knives, vehicles even bombs (I read they were sending in an EOD bot to check the slain suspect's body for explosives). The rhetoric towards police in the United States even up to our highest officials has gotten absolutely despicable.

 

If you were being told officers were driving around wildly looking for racial minorities or anyone of any group to murder for no reason (as the media & social media outlets seem to have a vested interest in making people believe), it would absolutely justify a violent response. The problem is, thats simply not the truth.

The media needs to quit focusing on situations before facts are present. How about all the black on black shootings which the media never covers which is way greater then a police shooting on a African american. Facts are facts. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

28 minutes ago, Azteco said:

The media needs to quit focusing on situations before facts are present. How about all the black on black shootings which the media never covers which is way greater then a police shooting on a African american. Facts are facts. 

That's because police officers are supposed to be the embodiment of the law. They are the line between the lawless and the law. When a police officer does something wrong it is a much larger problem. Most of the time it is because they feel they are "above the law" (I'm talking about only the shootings found to be not necessary or unlawful).

 

 

#FuckyouTakeTwo

oppd.png

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I agree, symptoms result of years and years of structucal inequalities should get way more coverage than what they do. Not to mention acknowledgement.

Yet at the same time the unjustified UOF and other rampart corruption is an issue that should be covered to just as great lenghts, if not more considering how it can affect everyone, everywhere. Especially poverty ridden neighbourhoods where quite a few minorities happen to live. Police corruption, inequality will certainly ramp up crime in those areas.

Cops need more MRAPs though.

On another note, white on white crime is also a big thing. I'd like to pull this note from an article I read:

"In this regard, black criminals are not particularly different. America is very segregated, and its criminality conforms to that fact. So the victims of most crimes are the same race as those who commit them. Eighty-four percent of white people who are killed every year are killed by white people. White people who buy illegal drugs are most likely to buy them from white people. Far from being extraordinary, the fact that black criminals are most likely to commit crimes against black people makes them just like everybody else. A more honest term than “black-on-black crime” would be, simply, “crime.”

Full read if you're curious: https://www.thenation.com/article/about-black-black-crime/

 

 

Edited by Olanov
Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, willpv23 said:

I don't understand why anyone would need a semi-automatic killing machine either. 

Because I have a natural right of self preservation that I don't believe a nit wit with an armed personal security detail who has never worked a real job a single day in his/her life has a right to remove from me because some one who grew up in a culture that preaches it's cool to sling drugs and shoot people because they wear a different t-shirt than you killed another person with the same mentality.

4 hours ago, nic227 said:

As I said, I'm no expert on the US system, but in the end the devices that are causing these pointless deaths are firearms, often automatic, meaning that there should be MUCH stricter regulations controlling all types of them.

Again, automatic firearms are virtually never used in crimes in the US. The definition of an automatic weapon is defined as a firearm that, upon the trigger being held down, multiple rounds are fired until the trigger is no longer held down. I have outlined the requirements to own one to the T.

90% of murders in the US committed by a firearm are committed with a handgun of some type, a majority of the time something cheap that can be thrown into a pond by the shooter. There are maybe one or two crimes a year in the US committed by something fully automatic, and those are always purchased/altered illegally.

4 hours ago, ScarletDraconis said:

That is one hell of a disrespectful and uneeded personal attack right there... :(

I'm sorry I don't like people telling me I don't need my rights while simultaneously knowing nothing about them.

4 hours ago, thegreathah said:

Maybe you should "educate" yourself about the gun laws in Lousiana:

  • Registration of rifles and shotguns? No
  • Licensing of owners of rifles and shotguns? No
  • Permit to carry rifles and shotguns? No
  • Permit to purchase rifles and shotguns? No

Louisiana has some of the most Lenient of gun laws in the country. 

And even if Louisiana had gun laws, they can just drive over to good ol' 'bama because there:

Licensed dealers are required to process background checks through the FBI prior to completing a sale. Licensed dealers must keep a record of every handgun sold, including the purchaser's signature and particular information about the firearm being sold. Private sales of handguns and long guns are legal and no background check is required; however, it is unlawful to sell a firearm to a prohibited person

You clearly didn't read my comment. I said fully automatic firearms are difficult to acquire in the US, in response to his comment saying that automatic weapons are easy to get.

Background sales for every transfer of hands would result in asinine requirements. It would mean I couldn't hand my buddy a gun while on the range so he could shoot it too, it means some one having to leave for business for any period of time has to have a background check for his/her spouse, and it means some one can't gift a firearm to their child.

If you claim that this means that people will get guns that they shouldn't have access to, they already do and there is already a law preventing this, called straw purchasing. It is a federal crime. Additionally, it is illegal to step foot inside a gun store if you meet one of the many requirements to have your 2nd amendment rights removed, let alone attempt to purchase a firearm from that establishment, but the federal government fails to prosecute the over 10,000 cases of this a year. Those people usually just purchase a gun from their gang banging homey, and that guy will still not care what the law says if universal background checks are a thing.

Sticks and stones may break bones, but 5.56 fragments on impact.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, thegreathah said:

Yes and no, a majority of gun laws are decided by the state, some laws are up to the feds. It makes 0 sense. They can dramatically change when you enter and exit certain states.

For example: many love to use the gun free zone in Chicago as a bad example of gun laws, and while it may be true that crime and gun violence still happens this is in large part due to Indiana's gun laws (The state literally over the state border in Chicago). In Indiana background checks and IDs are not necessary to purchase weapons (They have extremely lenient gun laws in Indiana). All the thugs and gangsters have to do is walk across the border, buy a gun, walk back across, kill someone and then drop the gun. 

Police in Chicago estimate that 60% of the guns used in violence in Chicago originate in Indiana.

Well, the second part of that statement is blatantly incorrect. It is a federal law to run a background check if you are an FFL dealer, this includes all purchases at gun shows (which has been a law for my whole life). Also, FFL dealers and educated private sellers will NOT sell directly to an out of state resident because if they do that, they are violating a federal law. To sell to an out of state resident legally, all transactions must be made through an FFL dealer in the buyers state of residence. The seller will send the firearm to the buyers state of residence's FFL dealer where they will proceed to run a background check and sell the firearm on the sellers behalf.

In fact this person debunks your entire argument in one short video where he proves you wrong by personally trying to buy them himself (in Indiana going over this exact same topic). 

 

Edited by crkinnh
Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 minutes ago, Riley24 said:

And if you're not an FFL dealer?

That depends on the state. However, the attitude presented by you and many like you is federal gun laws and null and void at a gun show.

Sticks and stones may break bones, but 5.56 fragments on impact.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, c13 said:

That depends on the state. However, the attitude presented by you and many like you is federal gun laws and null and void at a gun show.

I've seen videos just like the one that was shared, except the undercover person bought the gun without a background check. That is the gunshow loophole right there. I don't care how uncommon or limited it is, the fact that it exists is unacceptable.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

12 hours ago, Cyan said:

It's a shame the things which are becoming normal; terror attacks in Europe is nearly a monthly thing, and police officers being picked off in the US is almost a weekly thing.

I was informed by a co-worker when discussing this today that the total number of police officers killed by a murderer was 33. We're almost at that number now and it's only July, and I fear there will be more before the year's out.

Tips/Donate: u.gamecaster.com/unr3al
Twitch Channel: Twitch.tv/unr3al_twitch
YouTube Channel: YouTube.com/unr3algaming
Twitter: @unr3alofficial

Link to comment
Share on other sites

News say one of the shooters is Gavin Long, 29, from Kansas City, and served the country as a marine between June 2008 and January 2009 in Irak. He apparently changed officially his name to Cosmo Ausar Setepenra to show his belonging to the Washitaw nation, a group of afro-american people claiming to be a sovereign nation just like the native americans.

How am I supposed to trust my army if our government doesn't take care of soldiers with PTSD and the like... :(

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.




×
×
  • Create New...