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That's not a focus right now, and likely won't be for some time. We already have LSPDFR and RageHook to worry about.

There's a mod that opens areas you can enter during certain missions that might work, but you'll get a wanted level that you can't get rid of if you set foot in there. G17's also already teased a working police station.

Speaking from experience with ELS and all sorts of other mods in both GTA IV and GTA V; the more stuff you add onto the game, the more likely you're going to cause problems. All players are doing is adding a ton of extra scripts to run in the background, adding on animations that aren't native to the game, multiple times over when you get several police cars involved, and adding tons of high-polygon-count models to an already busy map on an engine that may not be able to handle the detail level. This was a huge problem with GTA IV and LCPDFR, which is why I always petitioned to make as many features as possible part of the "core" LCPDFR/LSPDFR mod instead of having add-ons for everything. Because then when something finally does break, it's harder to find out what broke, and why. GTA V seems more stable overall, but I don't even have modded cars on my LSPDFR install at the moment. I'm operating with the mindset of "less is more", which has had a good track record of keeping me playing for longer periods of time without crashing.

This is all of course provided that there are supposed to be police on that map. There aren't many details available about the expansion, but from what I've learned thus far; it all revolves around a heist. This will be the first heist that you can do entirely by yourself, instead of making a group of 4 mandatory. I've also heard it has to do with a drug lord or cartel leader, but I can't confirm that in any way. If it's some kind of private island or something like that, there would be no need for a police force of any sort outside of the hired goons this person would employ. If it's supposed to be a parody of a Central American or South American country, then there may be an under-equipped police force that could be part of the story online, or they could have a weak response to criminal actions during free-roam. Who knows. I didn't expect police at all because I didn't expect the map to be that big, but we'll see.

Hello all,

It's been a while since I really did anything meaningful with my YouTube channel. I had millions of views of my original videos chronicling my experience with the LCPD:FR beta several years ago when I first stated out on the testing team which I uploaded for fun, and the G17 Media administrators were nice enough to share on this website at the time to help promote LCPD:FR. I've now taken a slightly more serious approach to my YouTube channel, starting with uploading new weekly content, and taking a more professional approach to video editing and audio commentary. If anyone here is into video games of any type, not just Grand Theft Auto, I'd like to ask you to help support me and check my channel out.

I plan on releasing new LSPD:FR related content in the future, but I'll be starting off with the latest big game releases for this holiday season, starting with Grand Theft Auto Online's Casino Heist, which you can view down below, and a review of Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2019. And as I sign off, let me give a big thank you to anyone who checked out my LCPD:FR videos years ago, and anybody who checks out my newest stuff these days.
 
 
 

Hello all,

It's been a while since I really did anything meaningful with my YouTube channel. I had millions of views of my original videos chronicling my experience with the LCPD:FR beta several years ago when I first stated out on the testing team which I uploaded for fun, and the G17 Media administrators were nice enough to share on this website at the time to help promote LCPD:FR. I've now taken a slightly more serious approach to my YouTube channel, starting with uploading new weekly content, and taking a more professional approach to video editing and audio commentary. If anyone here is into video games of any type, not just Grand Theft Auto, I'd like to ask you to help support me and check my channel out.

I plan on releasing new LSPD:FR related content in the future, but I'll be starting off with the latest big game releases for this holiday season, starting with Grand Theft Auto Online's Casino Heist, which you can view down below, and a review of Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2019. And as I sign off, let me give a big thank you to anyone who checked out my LCPD:FR videos years ago, and anybody who checks out my newest stuff these days.
 
 
 

You have to learn how to write program code for a computer first which doesn't exactly take you 5 minutes if you've never done it before. I took classes for it when I was younger for about a year and I stopped at an amateur level when I got bored and moved onto graphic design. So I'd learn to write code in a couple of languages. I'd start off with Visual Basic and Java. Java is similar in syntax to C# which is a lot more powerful. You can always start at the level of more complicated languages like C# and C++, but I wouldn't advise it. You'll need a program to write and debug code in such as Visual Studio, which is what I used. And you'll need a lot of free time to figure out why the stuff you write doesn't work, although Visual Studio helps you with that since it highlights incorrect syntax for you, sort of the way Microsoft Word underlines spelling or grammar issues. Hopefully you've brushed up on your Algebra and Geometry recently to help you understand the game's physics and better understand the use of time intervals for various actions.

Anyway, have fun. You may want to get opinions from very experienced programmers like Sam and LMS. Oh and when you write code, I'd highly suggest changing the background of the screen to a dark color and make the text a lighter color instead. Staring at a white screen is similar to staring a light bulb, as it damages your eyes, ruining your vision. There's a reason a lot of computer majors wear glasses.

Example conversation:

How do I flush the toilet?

Use the handle.

Where's the handle?

On the toilet.

Yeah but how do I flush it though?

:rolleyes:

I love the CVPIs, I have one myself and I expect to keep it for a long time.  They were designed to last and are cheap to repair.

I'm an emergency vehicle upfitter and work for a Chevrolet dealer in the fleet department.  I've asked quite a lot of guys from departments with Explorers and these are the most common things I hear

"They're really tight and small"
"We've had longevity issues, rear diffs have gone after only 20k miles"
"This is the only car I've ever felt I need to wear my seatbelt in, I don't feel safe in it at all"

I may work for GM/Chevy but I cannot deny how great the CVPIs were as a police car.  Even then a lot of guys said they preferred the old school Caprice over the original CVPIs.

IT SHOULD BE JUST FINE SINCE YOU'RE GOING TO BE DUMPING THE CONTENTS OF THE MOD ZIP FILE INTO WHATEVER THE ROOT FOLDER IS FOR GTA V. JUST INSTALL IT AND SEE IF IT WORKS, AND IF NOT, LET US KNOW AND WE CAN HELP YOU.

If I man interject, not being a gun expert shouldn't disqualify him from giving a reasonable argument that the 2nd amendment is antiquated and has needed a page 1 re-write for a long time, or the fact that gun culture in America appears to the rest of the world to have very little 'culture' in it. We can have a gun control debate in another thread, but I'd like to at least stick up for 'thegreathah' real quick.

Back on the topic of which countries will use it: As far as other countries using the feature, how many countries outside the U.S. and Canada are using Ford vehicles? Most police videos from eastern European countries I've seen feature crappy little hatchbacks with a canal boat engine in them, England uses Vauxhalls, France uses Peugeots or Renaults, Germany uses BMWs and Mercedes, Australia uses GM vehicles (Holden), etc. Can anyone shed some light on this?

I also see this as being yet another thing to slow down the already mediocre police cars that Ford produces. 0-60 in 6 seconds? Not anymore. Enjoy the extra weight. Stable SUV frame? Not anymore. Enjoy the worsened center of gravity problem

Let me first start off by saying that I agree that since measures in LCPDFR were taken to adjust how many units can be involved in a chase, this will likely be a feature that returns in LSPDFR. That being said;

That's like suggesting that Dragon Age or Mass Effect should be designed the way you want and nobody else's way. Pardon the old adage, but the world (including game design) does not revolve around you. G17 has their own vision of what LSPDFR is supposed to be, and while it is certainly molded by the players, suggesting that your way is the only way is rather brash, in my opinion. While LSPDFR is not intended to be a simulator (since there are no reports to fill out, or morning briefings to attend, as a couple of examples), it is intended to be more than a mod that changes your character model and vehicle. Sam and LMS can tell you better than anybody what the mod is "supposed to be", but it's been described in the past as a mod that puts you in the position of a police officer working the streets of Los Santos, which is unarguably a replication of Los Angeles, California and the surrounding area. You are a patrolman, you're not the chief of police, sitting behind a desk filling out reports or a neatly dressed female officer controlling radio dispatch. As such, you are not in charge of every little thing.

We're well aware that video games are not real life. But this mod is intended to have touches of authenticity in it. And an authentic experience with police backup is that it may be available in large abundance in the world's police chase capital, the state of California. Other times it may not be, if other units are tied up on more important calls and all news choppers are on other pursuits. But that scenario rarely exists. An average police pursuit lasts about 3 minutes on average, largely due to driver error resulting in a crash, or the suspect bailing out of the vehicle or giving up. Pursuits that last longer than that are understandably going to attract a lot more attention.

This chase happened three weeks ago:
 


This one happened a few months ago:
 


And I shouldn't have to remind you about the San Bernardino shootings that happened recently:
 

See the pattern? You're going to have the area completely canvased in police vehicles and sometimes multiple helicopters (LAPD and news choppers) within a matter of minutes if the call is deemed serious. And as soon as a suspect comes to a slow down or stop, the police are immediately all over the fleeing suspects. It is noteworthy that the police in California keep their distance from the car during most chases due to their non-aggressive pursuit policy, but because Rockstar coded the police AI to be aggressive against the player, there most likely isn't a whole lot that can be done about them aggressively chasing enemy AI as well.
 

Unfortunately, the AI's behavior is an element of the game we can only manipulate so much, because it's something Rockstar developed, as stated above. What I can say is that generally speaking, a good driver in this game is going to be at the front of the pack, and can often end a chase before more than one or two units join, often by a PIT maneuver or pinning the fleeing vehicle against something like a wall or guard rail. As you said yourself, I've been testing this game for months, and having 10 police cars is not common, especially if I don't call any of them. By default, you generally get one unit in pursuit which often falls behind at the start of a call. There are occasions where you will end up joining an active pursuit, but I've only experienced that a hand full of times out of all the time I've spent.

And again, insinuating that the AI backup is not intended to behave a certain way is to presume that G17 is designing the game with you specifically in mind.

 

As far as I've seen, G17 has not promised anything that they didn't deliver. The backup customization announcement was likely ambiguous in its description for a reason. As implemented, it was intended to have the right kind of units responding to the right area. While still a work in progress (as the entire mod itself is), the testing team was satisfied with the adjustments as far as I could tell.

I'll end this reply by saying the same thing I did when I started it: Since measures in LCPDFR were taken to adjust how many units can be involved in a chase (the default cap was 5, if I remember correctly), this will likely be a feature that returns in LSPDFR. I've been working closely with G17 since 2012, before version .95 of LCPDFR went public (I started with version .91), and even back then the mod had a high level of notoriety at the time. However, said feature was not implemented until after .95 was released. It was not considered high on the priority list compared to things like getting a better prisoner transport system, taming the bad AI driving, implementing new callouts, redesigning handcuffing, changing the traffic stop interaction process, adding in a police station to go on duty, etc.

So, I'd like to ask you to please have patience, spend some more time with the mod, and provided that time can be made for it, you'll most likely see this in a future update. :)

Happy hunting.

Another recall. http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/news/a30527/ford-recalls-basically-every-cop-car-it-built-in-the-past-few-years/
What a joke. They really need to get their sh*t together. 

Firstly because you can't cram a ton of horsepower into a small engine. And most European countries have police vehicles that have even more unspeakable 0-60 times, such as the British standard Vauxhall Astra, ranging from 8 seconds in the gasoline powered version to up to 13 seconds in the diesel powered ones which are very common, but that's tolerable over there because a lot of the civilian vehicles are terribly slow also. Secondly, you don't have the same type of crime in Europe on such a large scale as you do in the United States. You have different civilian vehicles to contend with, different roadways, different pursuit policies, different gear to carry, different laws and punishments for crimes, different incarceration rate, different culture, etc.

The Untied States is unique from Europe. We share some common values and principles but keeping the peace in each region of the world can be a very different job.

A dog isn't worth officer injury or death. And weapons like tasers are called "less lethal" for a reason. They can still kill humans, nevermind dogs, with or without a pre-existing condition. It's 50,000 volts of electricity going through you if it hits the target. The best way to avoid dog attacks is for people to raise their dog properly so it doesn't get amped up when interacting with other people. Most people who own rotweilers or pit bulls that attack people are generally lazy owners. Dogs like that are very high maintenance and high energy and need to be tired out every day or they get wound up. Owners also encourage a lot of bad behaviors that make the dogs think they own the house they live in, or the car they ride in or whatever. Taking a page out of Cesar Milan's book; they are not portraying themselves as a pack leader, and therefore there can be some serious repercussions.

I was not a fanatic about my dog. The best breed to own for people like me, I'm convinced, is a hound of some kind. Beagles, Basset Hounds, etc match the lifestyle of the owner. If you're active, they're active. If you're lazy, they're lazy. It's a great breed of dog to own. I had a beagle for 8 years and I loved it.

Firstly because you can't cram a ton of horsepower into a small engine. And most European countries have police vehicles that have even more unspeakable 0-60 times, such as the British standard Vauxhall Astra, ranging from 8 seconds in the gasoline powered version to up to 13 seconds in the diesel powered ones which are very common, but that's tolerable over there because a lot of the civilian vehicles are terribly slow also. Secondly, you don't have the same type of crime in Europe on such a large scale as you do in the United States. You have different civilian vehicles to contend with, different roadways, different pursuit policies, different gear to carry, different laws and punishments for crimes, different incarceration rate, different culture, etc.

The Untied States is unique from Europe. We share some common values and principles but keeping the peace in each region of the world can be a very different job.

No they aren't. The new Fords are based off of the Ford Explorer and the Ford Taurus SHO, although they're both uglier than their civilian counterparts, if you ask me. That being said, the law enforcement versions of these cars are indeed much more well thought out as far as it's equipment setup goes. It's way more than just comfort and control. As far as the Taurus goes, seating in the back is now better for prisoners, the front cabin is more comfortable for the officers, the engine has been changed from a big V8 to a smaller V6 which gets better gas mileage, but it is now turbocharged to make it slightly faster than the Crown Victoria. The car's body is smaller and lighter so handling is better.
 
On paper, the Taurus is a great car. I have a few problems with them though:

1.) With the cars reduced weight, comes reduced strength and durability. A PIT maneuver from a CVPI is heavy hitting and can spin you off of the road regardless of whether you're driving a Toyota Corolla or a Ford F350. I've even seen a single Crown Victoria push an entire stolen school bus with a PIT (although it wasn't able to 100% spin the bus). Although the Ford Taurus is lighter and nimbler, it won't be able to shrug off any damage it may incur during pursuits as well as the old Crown Vics do, nor will the car on car impact be as forceful so PITS and rolling roadblocks will be less effective.

2.) Turbochargers are great in theory since they can take mediocre engines and turn them into absolute beasts just by fitting a small accessory to the engine. But there is turbo lag associated with that, meaning that if you mash your foot down, there can be a delay between the pedal reaching the floor, and the car responding to it. A V8 that's cranking out all of its power all the time is less efficient on fuel, but guarantees all the power is there when you need it. 0-60 time isn't everything. 40-100 is important for chases since not every single police chase starts out with a suspect vehicle that's completely stopped.
 
3.) They're not really any less expensive to buy or maintain than the CVPI's were.
 
4.) They're ugly, and they don't appear to be well made. Just look at it:


 
My 8 year old computer chair that's falling apart looks like it's built better than that thing.

Firstly because you can't cram a ton of horsepower into a small engine. And most European countries have police vehicles that have even more unspeakable 0-60 times, such as the British standard Vauxhall Astra, ranging from 8 seconds in the gasoline powered version to up to 13 seconds in the diesel powered ones which are very common, but that's tolerable over there because a lot of the civilian vehicles are terribly slow also. Secondly, you don't have the same type of crime in Europe on such a large scale as you do in the United States. You have different civilian vehicles to contend with, different roadways, different pursuit policies, different gear to carry, different laws and punishments for crimes, different incarceration rate, different culture, etc.

The Untied States is unique from Europe. We share some common values and principles but keeping the peace in each region of the world can be a very different job.

I don't recall War on Terror being religiously motivated.
I am a Christian, and I do not detest religion, but you can't have religious radicals without religion.
Glory that comes from them filling the obligations of their religion. If that's not a fundamental problem with Islam, I don't know what is.
Another example. When you take a look at countries with a majority muslim population, especially ones in Middle East and Africa (from where most of the migrants come from), the support for Sharia Law as official law of their country is overwhelming. It can be assumed that such people would attempt to introduce Sharia in the countries they migrate to, either by legal means (being elected/voting for candidates that support Sharia) or by illegal means (on eg. local level). And given enough time, the Muslim voters will become the majority in countries such as France, Germany, Belgium and Netherlands looking at the demographics. The question remains - what will happen to the Christian minority?
Sharia law, which is indeed a fundamental part of Islam that bases itself on the Quaran and other Islamic scriptures, is mandated by the Quaran (the divine law). Safe to say, it is not compatible with the Western ideals of democracy, liberty and separation of church from state.
In developed countries that have Sharia law as official law, such as Saudi Arabia or Qatar, freedom of religion is nonexistent, non-heterosexuality is banned, and as a woman you have no control over your life. Show me a country with a Christian majority that has similar laws. You won't find one, because Bibile is not the source of law in any country (well, maybe in Vatican). The truth is that Islam is incompatible with democracy and most Muslims are what media call radical, while the amount of Christian radicals that are willing to commit terrorist acts is minimal, at least here in Europe.

Name me another religion that in 2016 has a large group of people who belong to it that mutilates women's genitals, beheads apostates and wants to gain a nuclear weapon for the purpose of wiping out Israel. Even scores of people who don't commit these acts themselves approve and even applaud this behavior. There are reams of polling data to back this up besides taking a look at current events; it's not a diatribe.

I agree, I don't think they should be using 6 cylinder engines at all. They should work on a more efficient V8, like the one a few companies use where the vehicle can shut off two cylinders to conserve fuel, and then give you all 8 when performance is needed. Take the variable displacement idea from Cadillac, and the stop/start idea from Toyota and roll them into a fair sized V8.

Because it's a GTA game. Not a police simulator.

People jumped in with answers rather quickly here; good.

I just want to expand on a few comments with the EMS/Police work and ride along experience I've had in my life:

-There is no law that prohibits you from video taping in public. If you follow them into a private business or residence, that's another issue. But if you're on a public street you may video tape all you like from across the road. 

-HIPAA does not cover video recordings of interactions between civilians and EMTs/Paramedics/Fire Fighters with EMT certifications, so there is no privacy issue. If they screw up during a patient assessment, or somebody gets harmed as a result of improper care; you are not liable because you didn't touch the patient. They are liable. They just don't want that on film for use in court or to be up on YouTube so everyone can see it.

-Firefighters and EMS workers are not police officers. They have no power of arrest, however they can certainly harass you and send you threatening letters from lawyers. They can also potentially have a police officer come to the scene and arrest you. When you go to court, this charge will likely be thrown out, however it's a major inconvenience and might even cost you money. Some judges have also upheld charges against video recorders that should be dropped. I wouldn't risk it if you don't want to take measures to protect yourself.

-Get a lawyer to help you out if you wish to continue filming (if people don't stand up to them this will continue to be the status quo), and call your local police department with reassurance you can't be arrested o r get in any kind of other trouble for doing what you're doing. They handle legal issues, Fire Departments handle fires and medical calls.

People jumped in with answers rather quickly here; good.

I just want to expand on a few comments with the EMS/Police work and ride along experience I've had in my life:

-There is no law that prohibits you from video taping in public. If you follow them into a private business or residence, that's another issue. But if you're on a public street you may video tape all you like from across the road. 

-HIPAA does not cover video recordings of interactions between civilians and EMTs/Paramedics/Fire Fighters with EMT certifications, so there is no privacy issue. If they screw up during a patient assessment, or somebody gets harmed as a result of improper care; you are not liable because you didn't touch the patient. They are liable. They just don't want that on film for use in court or to be up on YouTube so everyone can see it.

-Firefighters and EMS workers are not police officers. They have no power of arrest, however they can certainly harass you and send you threatening letters from lawyers. They can also potentially have a police officer come to the scene and arrest you. When you go to court, this charge will likely be thrown out, however it's a major inconvenience and might even cost you money. Some judges have also upheld charges against video recorders that should be dropped. I wouldn't risk it if you don't want to take measures to protect yourself.

-Get a lawyer to help you out if you wish to continue filming (if people don't stand up to them this will continue to be the status quo), and call your local police department with reassurance you can't be arrested o r get in any kind of other trouble for doing what you're doing. They handle legal issues, Fire Departments handle fires and medical calls.

Nothing of what I said was rude, bossy or disrespectful. What I said was largely heated and that is what debates usually boil down to, heated. And as a U.S president once said, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the Kitchen. - Harry S Truman. 
And as unr3al said too, you're debating your emotions, not the overall topic. Also to add to unr3al's point, why don't you also go door-to-door in the Middle East and tell every Iraqi, Afghani, and Irani family that lost loved ones because of a suicide bomb or attack that their deaths are largely irrelevant?