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30 minutes ago, c13 said:

And you don't even know that. Fully automatic firearms have been illegal to manufacture for commercial sale since 1984, and anyone who does purchase one manufactured before then (very few, since the cheapest cost $5,000) have to undergo a 6 month background investigation.

Unfortunately, you're about as educated about these issues as the politicians creating the laws.

Maybe you should "educate" yourself about the gun laws in Lousiana:

  • Registration of rifles and shotguns? No
  • Licensing of owners of rifles and shotguns? No
  • Permit to carry rifles and shotguns? No
  • Permit to purchase rifles and shotguns? No

Louisiana has some of the most Lenient of gun laws in the country. 

And even if Louisiana had gun laws, they can just drive over to good ol' 'bama because there:

Licensed dealers are required to process background checks through the FBI prior to completing a sale. Licensed dealers must keep a record of every handgun sold, including the purchaser's signature and particular information about the firearm being sold. Private sales of handguns and long guns are legal and no background check is required; however, it is unlawful to sell a firearm to a prohibited person

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Nobody outside of law enforcement or the military should have access to a high powered, fully automatic, rifle. Period. What the hell do you want one for anyway? Protection? What are you gonna do, sleep with it under your pillow? Give me a break.

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1 minute ago, Illusionyary said:

Nobody outside of law enforcement or the military should have access to a high powered, fully automatic, rifle. Period. What the hell do you want one for anyway? Protection? What are you gonna do, sleep with it under your pillow? Give me a break.

They need to protect themselves from the nasty liberal government of course, or they are just really shitty hunters.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, thegreathah said:

 

They need to protect themselves from the nasty liberal government of course, or they are just really shitty hunters.

or fully automatics are fun to shoot.....buttttttt ya gotta be well off to buy one...legally that isss.....

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21 minutes ago, 125 LINCOLN 23 said:

or fully automatics are fun to shoot.....buttttttt ya gotta be well off to buy one...legally that isss.....

True, and I'm totally fine with it if people are regulated, background checks are conducted, and they are kept at ranges. There is absolutely no need for a fully auto to be in a home.

 

 

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its the wants bro....the wants is what keeps us up at night.

Don't need full auto anyways. Semi works much better anyways. but full auto sure is fun.

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5 minutes ago, thegreathah said:

True, and I'm totally fine with it if people are regulated, background checks are conducted, and they are kept at ranges. There is absolutely no need for a fully auto to be in a home.

Exactly this. If you want to shoot off an AR, that's fine, go to a shooting range. You don't need to own one.

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45 minutes ago, willpv23 said:

I don't understand why anyone would need a semi-automatic killing machine either. 

These "semi automatic killing machines" are some of the most popular rifles in the US. Lightweight, ambidextrous, comfortable to use, wildly popular for small game hunting, competition shooting & account for a nearly statistically irrelevant number of deaths yearly. You may not understand why anyone would need those rifles, but clearly millions of Americans do. 

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If there's any shred of hope left, its that overall, police deaths are down this year. But in a country where anyone can get their hands on a gun, it shouldn't surprise us that gunfire is the top killer this year, right up there with vehicle-related deaths. There shouldn't be an arms race between the police and their communities, that's not law and order. Both mass killings of police in the past two weeks have happened in states with some of the loosest gun laws. If you actually care about the lives of law enforcement, you should be outraged at the lack of action taken in regards to our gun laws. The easier it is to get a gun, the easier it is to kill a cop. 

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31 minutes ago, nic227 said:

So in the US, if I understand correctly, gun laws are up to the individual states?

Yes and no, a majority of gun laws are decided by the state, some laws are up to the feds. It makes 0 sense. They can dramatically change when you enter and exit certain states.

For example: many love to use the gun free zone in Chicago as a bad example of gun laws, and while it may be true that crime and gun violence still happens this is in large part due to Indiana's gun laws (The state literally over the state border in Chicago). In Indiana background checks and IDs are not necessary to purchase weapons (They have extremely lenient gun laws in Indiana). All the thugs and gangsters have to do is walk across the border, buy a gun, walk back across, kill someone and then drop the gun. 

Police in Chicago estimate that 60% of the guns used in violence in Chicago originate in Indiana.

 

 

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12 minutes ago, thegreathah said:

Maybe you should "educate" yourself about the gun laws in Lousiana:

  • Registration of rifles and shotguns? No
  • Licensing of owners of rifles and shotguns? No
  • Permit to carry rifles and shotguns? No
  • Permit to purchase rifles and shotguns? No

Louisiana has some of the most Lenient of gun laws in the country. 

And even if Louisiana had gun laws, they can just drive over to good ol' 'bama because there:

Licensed dealers are required to process background checks through the FBI prior to completing a sale. Licensed dealers must keep a record of every handgun sold, including the purchaser's signature and particular information about the firearm being sold. Private sales of handguns and long guns are legal and no background check is required; however, it is unlawful to sell a firearm to a prohibited person

 

That is not entirely correct. Title II weapons are restricted by the federal government. These include machine guns (automatic weapons) and short-barreled rifles (barrel of less than 16 inches). These require approval from the ATF, and the Chief Law Enforcement Officer (alternative to signature of LEO is a special trust) where the transfer will end.

Obtaining an automatic weapon is very expensive because of the ban imposed in the 1980's. I've seen an MP-5 submachine asking price at $20K. The tax stamp cost for SBRs is $200 and the waiting period can be anywhere from four-to-six months. Even Police departments have to undergo an extensive process before obtaining SBRs and suppressors. That is one reason why so many went first with 16 inch semi-auto rifles.

While I am a supporter for stricter gun control laws, I don't have enough facts to develop an informed opinion about this attack, beyond that its senseless. We are a civilized society with non-violent tools available to us to resolve conflict. Those who elect to abandon those resources, even if flawed, to engage in cold-blooded murder, must be viewed as a threat and brought to justice, if they permit it. I pray for the victims, and their families. I pray we as a nation, and world can come together to resolve our disagreements in a manner that gives rise to non-violence and peace, not re-occurring violence and despair.

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4 minutes ago, RexCramer said:

These "semi automatic killing machines" are some of the most popular rifles in the US. Lightweight, ambidextrous, comfortable to use, wildly popular for small game hunting, competition shooting & account for a nearly statistically irrelevant number of deaths yearly. You may not understand why anyone would need those rifles, but clearly millions of Americans do. 

They may not be used for homicides but they are used in mass shootings, mass shootings happen to be going up statistically and homicide rates have gone down over the last two decades.

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5 minutes ago, Riley24 said:

https://www.odmp.org/search/year

If there's any shred of hope left, its that overall, police deaths are down this year. But in a country where anyone can get their hands on a gun, it shouldn't surprise us that gunfire is the top killer this year, right up there with vehicle-related deaths. There shouldn't be an arms race between the police and their communities, that's not law and order. Both mass killings of police in the past two weeks have happened in states with some of the loosest gun laws. If you actually care about the lives of law enforcement, you should be outraged at the lack of action taken in regards to our gun laws. The easier it is to get a gun, the easier it is to kill a cop. 

 

Laws are for law abiding citizens.

The more the restrictions on us law abiding citizens endure the more the criminals shall profit. 

They don't operate under our laws....

As far as mass murder is concerned, the guy in paris did it with a truck....just sayin.

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2 minutes ago, 125 LINCOLN 23 said:

 

Laws are for law abiding citizens.

The more we restrictions us law abiding citizens endure the more the criminals shall profit. 

They don't operate under our laws....

As far as mass murder is concerned, the guy in paris did it with a truck....just sayin.

Do you apply that mentality to all laws, or just gun laws?

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1 minute ago, Riley24 said:

Do you apply that mentality to all laws, or just gun laws?

obviously that can be and is applied to all laws, I didn't think the others were being discussed here.

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