Military personel has been strengthened over 7000 soldiers and reservists , they will be deployed in the week in Ile de France.

Edited November 14, 201510 yr by Romain Valére

I hope the ones responsible are captured and face justice. I think the entire Western world has had enough of these savages, we need to eliminate them before another event like this can happen. Long live France.

1 hour ago, wilfordbrimleysmoustache said:

I hope the ones responsible are captured and face justice. I think the entire Western world has had enough of these savages, we need to eliminate them before another event like this can happen. Long live France.

Apparently, and according to my news outlet (i'm in Canada), three accomplices or Terrorists have been captured in relation to this tragedy. I don't have the full details (caught the end of it as I was leaving for work), but the terrorists were captured somewhere in Belgium, I believe in Brussels if I heard correctly. I don't think they had any direct relation, as in participated in the shootings/killings, but I think they were the financiers and recruiters. Apparently there are small cells throughout Belgium, largely in Brussels where these "people" - if you wanna call them that, are being funded and recruited to carry this out. The exception being that one of the Terrorists was found with a Syrian Passport, which passed through Greece sometime in October. Another Terrorist was born and partially raised in France. 

What really hit home for me was when I saw the Eiffel Tower completely pitch black, that sent chills through my spine and made me feel deeply saddened for everyone in this tragedy. I've never seen the Eiffel Tower completely dark before, as it is the city of lights after all. 

 

(please do correct me if I am wrong on any of the aforementioned). 

1 hour ago, wilfordbrimleysmoustache said:

I hope the ones responsible are captured and face justice. I think the entire Western world has had enough of these savages, we need to eliminate them before another event like this can happen. Long live France.

Of the 7 or 8 terrorists ( the number is not yet sure ) have seven were killed either by their belts explosifes or police , I hope that we will continue the fight against these wild.

It is important to remember much of the damage done by terrorism is self-inflicted. Look at what happened to the United States after the September 11, 2001 attacks. We launched two major wars that exhausted the public, eroded support internationally, and compromised core values (such as privacy and civil liberty) with little to show for the effort.

Force is certainly a necessary instrument, even if only to vent frustration at terrorists. However, it is irresponsible to believe large-scale war is the answer. There is no way a nation can sustain such an effort for time often required (years, perhaps decades).

20 hours ago, Schecter004 said:

 

I'm with my french neighbour!

We're the next target.

But this is the result of the USA attacks in the middle east! The USA terrorize the middle east and kills the innocent, the middle east terrorize us.

It's all the politicians fault.

Wake up people, we'll have a big war in the future all around the world.

Greetings from Germany.

 

France getting bombed isn't the fault of the United States. How dare you even suggest that. If you read the Qu'ran and the Hadiths, their religion specifically tells them that infidels, westerners, are the enemy. That includes you (anybody in the European Union). And that their religion needs to be spread to the ends of the earth by the sword if necessary. The increasingly common ideals (freedom of speech, democracy, gender and sexual equality) of countries in North America, South America and Europe have been encroaching upon the "eastern world" in the last several decades, and they don't like it. The things we all believe in are not uniquely American. They're western. And let's not forget that the United States was not the first country to occupy that area in the 20th century. Ask your friends (and former conquerors) in England. They'll be the first to tell you. They had to leave too, partly because of how fundamentalist and violent it was, and partly because we wanted to remove outside influence from middle eastern countries, getting rid of the idea of empires. And look how it turned out. They're no better off. America was perfectly happy to mostly leave the middle east alone in the latter 20th and 21st centuries, short of oil bargaining until September 11, 2001, which wasn't out fault either.

To equate the invasion of an enemy nation and establishment of a new government after a dictator is overthrown with burying children alive, or blowing up schools or shopping malls by suicide bombing is sickening for me to read. Especially from a person who lives in another NATO nation. While I'm under no illusion that the overthrowing of the last couple of dictators in the middle east has not helped establish a new peace in that region, to suggest that America is the root problem with that part of the world is ignorant. Get your facts and your history straight.

Edited November 15, 201510 yr by unr3al

19 hours ago, Schecter004 said:

 

I'm with my french neighbour!

We're the next target.

But this is the result of the USA attacks in the middle east! The USA terrorize the middle east and kills the innocent, the middle east terrorize us.

It's all the politicians fault.

Wake up people, we'll have a big war in the future all around the world.

Greetings from Germany.

 

ISIS made a statement that these attacks were a direct result of the French bombing campaign in Syria. If anything, France now suffers for having the guts to take action against this growing world threat. Also, OBL declared jihad against the Western world since the 90's, before US and NATO had any substantial military presence in the ME (1st gulf war not being directly triggered by the US). Did the US and NATO had a hand in creating these radical Islamic movements, yes I believe so, but back then the USSR was a much more immediate threat. ISIS terrorizes the ME much more than the US ever did. There's no justification for the reign of terror ISIS and all the other wahhabi factions have inflicted on the people living in the ME, they are just evil to the core and need to be eradicated.

6 hours ago, unr3al said:

France getting bombed isn't the fault of the United States. How dare you even suggest that. If you read the Qu'ran and the Hadiths, their religion specifically tells them that infidels, westerners, are the enemy. That includes you (anybody in the European Union). And that their religion needs to be spread to the ends of the earth by the sword if necessary. The increasingly common ideals (freedom of speech, democracy, gender and sexual equality) of countries in North America, South America and Europe have been encroaching upon the "eastern world" in the last several decades, and they don't like it. The things we all believe in are not uniquely American. They're western. And let's not forget that the United States was not the first country to occupy that area in the 20th century. Ask your friends (and former conquerors) in England. They'll be the first to tell you. They had to leave too, partly because of how fundamentalist and violent it was, and partly because we wanted to remove outside influence from middle eastern countries, getting rid of the idea of empires. And look how it turned out. They're no better off. America was perfectly happy to mostly leave the middle east alone in the latter 20th and 21st centuries, short of oil bargaining until September 11, 2001, which wasn't out fault either.

To equate the invasion of an enemy nation and establishment of a new government after a dictator is overthrown with burying children alive, or blowing up schools or shopping malls by suicide bombing is sickening for me to read. Especially from a person who lives in another NATO nation. While I'm under no illusion that the overthrowing of the last couple of dictators in the middle east has not helped establish a new peace in that region, to suggest that America is the root problem with that part of the world is ignorant. Get your facts and your history straight.

Well, the only thing i wanted to point out, is the fact, that thousands of innocennt civilian people in Syria, Iraq... die every day the same way! And the attackers are WESTERN nations. That doesn't mean, i advocate the bombing on friday in Paris. My statement has nothing to do with ISIS. They're evil and need to be wiped out. But especially the USA has to think about, if it's necessary to ATTACK foreign countries for oil. Like they did with the Iraq. What would you think if anybody attacks your country, kills your neighbour or friend, mother, father... and maybe rapes your sisiter or wife? War isn't a computer game. It's the worst thing that can happen to you.

7 hours ago, unr3al said:

If you read the Qu'ran and the Hadiths, their religion specifically tells them that infidels, westerners, are the enemy. That includes you (anybody in the European Union). And that their religion needs to be spread to the ends of the earth by the sword if necessary. 

Ehm, yeah, but again, religious books always tell that people from another religion are the enemy, including christians. What the Quran says is definitely different from what people do. Islam is the second most present religion in France, right after Catholicism. That doesn't mean that the few millions of muslims in France are terrorists.

As one of our politician says (you can enable english subtitles):

Religion is NOT what we have to blame. Terrorists are guilty. They are simply crazy. Look at it the other way, if a christian was bombing something in the middle east while saying that the white god is the true one and others must die, would the western countries blame christianity? No, they'd say the guy is just nuts. Same goes there. Terrorists, and only terrorists are guilty for their crimes, nothing more, nothing less.

Edited November 15, 201510 yr by Hystery

On 14/11/2015 01:01:25, Hystery said:

From the last news, 7 attacks have occured at the same time, which means 7 groups of people worked to organize this, to prepare the attacks without anyone noticing anything.

I swear, french intel is one of the worst, they are -always- late, in every situation.

Dude if you have to be misinformed, stop posting really. Our intels have avoided various attacks since January and even in the years before. But you can't be behind every citizen and that kind of things happen even with the best security in the world.

They use this religion to brainwash people and turn them into - no joke - zombies. The religion can't be blamed, just as guns can't be blamed for shootings. To remind everyone, the Old Testament has some pretty rough statements and suggests really cruel way for dealing with those who violate it. Does it mean Christianity is a religion of violence and terror? Guess not. 

For me it's really hard, nearly impossible though to accept an idea that religion worths murdering people.The crusaders back in time believed that Christianity worthed killing for. Apparently the problem isn't in religion, it's in the people (yeah, bright and original conclusion, I know). But damn me if I know how we can protect our world against that threat. One of the terrorists was a French citizen, he lived in France for many years, I bet his neighbors called him a good person and he surely posted on facebook some things like "Islam is a religion of peace". And then BANG, and more than 100 people are dead. 

I guess the only option is to hope that the next attack won't harm you or your relatives, since there's not much we can do here. 

BTW, nice report about UK Muslim community leaders speaking about "junk" British values and how Muslims should fight for an "Islamist state". http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/14/exclusive-as-paris-burned-uk-islamists-told-muslims-to-struggle-for-islamic-state-in-unprecedented-islamic-show-of-force/

Edited November 15, 201510 yr by Hastings

54 minutes ago, DLM3 said:

Dude if you have to be misinformed, stop posting really. Our intels have avoided various attacks since January and even in the years before. But you can't be behind every citizen and that kind of things happen even with the best security in the world.

Thank you very much for the advice, but I think I'll keep posting anyway. I've had enough evidences that french intel is one of the worst amongst western countries. Failing to prevent the Thalys attack, failing to prevent the Charlie Hebdo and Hypercasher attack, and so on. They weren't even able to give correct information when our armies tried to take back the capital of Mali, misinforming our own soldiers. Curiously enough, ALL suspects in the terrorist attacks we had the last few months were "on the records" for their "radicalization", but none of them had an investigation on their back.

Worst intel, period.

23 minutes ago, Hystery said:

Thank you very much for the advice, but I think I'll keep posting anyway. I've had enough evidences that french intel is one of the worst amongst western countries. Failing to prevent the Thalys attack, failing to prevent the Charlie Hebdo and Hypercasher attack, and so on. They weren't even able to give correct information when our armies tried to take back the capital of Mali, misinforming our own soldiers. Curiously enough, ALL suspects in the terrorist attacks we had the last few months were "on the records" for their "radicalization", but none of them had an investigation on their back.

Worst intel, period.

I'd say the ISI takes the crown, there's nothing worse than playing ball with the enemy... off-topic I know.

There are probably hundreds of individuals in France flagged as potential threats based on their internet activity, known associates or their trips abroad. If they don't indicate any sort of terrorist activity, there is no reason to keep them under close surveillance, there isn't enough money or manpower to watch all of them. The Charlie Hebdo shooters didn't attract any attention for years before the attack. Doing surveillance or even house searches without any grounds would mean violating the rights they enjoyed as French citizens.

I've read it on another forum but it fits the subject. Carlo Schmid said: "It's not part of the concept of democracy that it creates the preconditions of its own destruction, we should also have the courage to be intolerant towards those who wish to use a democratic system in order to kill it off."

He said it in a different context but the general idea still applies, those who wish us harm should not benefit from rights and liberties as the rest of us. F*ck your freedom of expression if you support the idea of having my head on a stick.

Here's a video showing how the "refugees" are ruining European countries. This video has been taken down by YouTube twice I believe. I hope European leaders will wake up before it too late. These people want you gone.

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44vzMNG2fZc

Breitbart: http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/11/watch-anti-migrant-video-going-viral-across-europe/

7 minutes ago, MayhemMercenary said:

Here's a video showing how the "refugees" are ruining European countries. This video has been taken down by YouTube twice I believe. I hope European leaders will wake up before it too late. These people want you gone.

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44vzMNG2fZc

Breitbart: http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/11/watch-anti-migrant-video-going-viral-across-europe/

So you are watching an obviously conservative biased video site? Lol I took one look and went "bullshit". That is completely biased reporting right there, it's actually more biased than Fox, which is nearly impossible... If it was you who was stuck in a war zone with no opportunity to escape I think you would look at this a little differently. Let's not forget that many refugees are Christians escaping persecution and do not "want you gone".

Just because they are not white, doesn't mean they want to kill you...

Edited November 15, 201510 yr by thegreathah

1 minute ago, thegreathah said:

So you are watching an obviously conservative biased video site? Lol I took one look and went "bullshit". That is completely biased reporting right there, it's actually more biased than Fox, which is nearly impossible... If it was you who was stuck in a war zone with no opportunity to escape I think you would look at this a little differently. Let's not forget that many refugees are Christians escaping persecution and do not "want you gone".

Watch the video, and then tell me how you feel. There is video evidence presented in the documentary that shows you exactly what I was talking about. Or, you can just keep denying the truth that native Europeans will be minorities in the foreseeable future.

1 minute ago, MayhemMercenary said:

Watch the video, and then tell me how you feel. There is video evidence presented in the documentary that shows you exactly what I was talking about. Or, you can just keep denying the truth that native Europeans will be minorities in the foreseeable future.

I have watched this video. You are acting like the word "minority" is a bad word all it means is that there are less of that particular demographic in that particular area. This video goes to great lengths to take things way out of context and twist the meaning into an extreme right-wing ideology. 

It's so obviously racist.

1 minute ago, thegreathah said:

I have watched this video. You are acting like the word "minority" is a bad word all it means is that there are less of that particular demographic in that particular area. This video goes to great lengths to take things way out of context and twist the meaning into an extreme right-wing ideology. 

It's so obviously racist.

I'm sorry, but when the native population becomes a minority it is a bad thing. If Muslims become the majority then Muslim leaders will be elected. After that, you can say bye to European culture as Sharia law will be put in effect and there will be nothing they can do to stop it. Call it what you will, but this video is truthful. It is very naïve of you to watch the video and still not see an issue with what is occurring. I was speaking to my German friend earlier today about this. He told me that he sees this stuff every day on the news. This video shows the reality of what is occurring. Calling it "racist" seems to be the last resort of people who have no counter argument.

 

I very, very rarely get myself involved in Political discussions or discuss tragic events. I accept that people are allowed their opinions, and I encourage that, in some cases though, I feel the need to put out my opinion on certain comments. Now, I think this whole "Refugee's are ruining European Countries" and that they want us gone is completely wrong. Most refugee's really like their country, they are being displaced from the place where they live because of terrorist scum, who feel that murdering people is the right way because how they interpret their Religion. They are fleeing their own country in fear, and people have the guts to say that because they are from a certain part of the world, or a certain skin colour, or the pray to a different kind of god. They have the guts to say they are terrorists.

Terrorists are a scumbag-ridden group people who interpret a religion in a certain way, I think we all know the way the interpret it is wrong, so we shouldn't deny refugee's access to safer countries because some narrow-minded people who put someone who is Muslim in the same group as terrorists. 

1 minute ago, MayhemMercenary said:

I'm sorry, but when the native population becomes a minority it is a bad thing. If Muslims become the majority then Muslim leaders will be elected. After that, you can say bye to European culture as Sharia law will be put in effect and there will be nothing they can do to stop it. Call it what you will, but this video is truthful. It is very naïve of you to watch the video and still not see an issue with what is occurring. I was speaking to my German friend earlier today about this. He told me that he sees this stuff every day on the news. This video shows the reality of what is occurring. Calling it "racist" seems to be the last resort of people who have no counter argument.

 

Ha! You're funny. You truly believe that Sharia law will be implemented into Europe? That's like saying if Christians take over there will be law based on the old testament, which obviously has not happened. I'd also like to point out that not all immigrants are muslim or even from the middle east. The same exact argument took place in America when Immigrants were coming in the 1800s, have we collapsed into a third world nation? No. I think it's naive to generalize an entire population after you watch a video that is clearly edited to support your point only. Calling something "racist" because it is racist is not a last resort, you are just failing to see that the message you are trying to convey is, by definition, racist.