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Aha, now it makes a lot more sense. It also makes me think that the police officers were ambushed and gunned down without been given the chance to surrender. Any information if there was gunfire exchanged? Unfortunately this sounds like and inside job, I really hope it wasn't someone in the police force who tipped the robbers.

Damn that sucks, RIP to the officers... Where did they stole the money from? Also were they chased by the police car up to the place of the shooting, from the images in the link the area doesn't look like the scene of the heist. These are not the actions of desperate people, more like greedy thugs.

Do people with high post count age faster? Because lately some of them began to sound like grumpy old farts. Actually being bothered if someone gets likes the easy way, wow... @jackct I very well know the feeling, 2015 is the first time in the last 5-6 years when I can play a game on high/highest settings the year it is released.

Too bad Russian and American interests never seem to align. I know what you mean by the "right people" but it's really a shame there are no actual right people that can handle the mess that's in the middle east. I mean my dictator is better than your dictator certainly doesn't help the people living there. The best anyone can do is either, set up a totalitarian state where the government controls every aspect of a citizens life and so keeping any potential threats in check, but then again that's a really bad way to live. Or the Muslim communities who don't support these extremist groups expel them from every social aspect of their lives, banish them from mosques, stop their funding by any means and expose them to the authorities. The second option would be for countries who won their freedom but now they suffer from attacks from terrorist groups. Sounds pretty easy to do yet that doesn't happen not even in the Muslim communities who integrated very well in Western culture. I think it will take dozens or hundreds of years before Middle East will reach the level of peace and cooperation Europe has now.

I'm glad it's over. Hopefully the attacker who was arrested will be willing to explain everything, judging by the fact that he split from his buddies and didn't stay for the big showdown with the cops. Their preparation might indicate a terrorist act but I also suspect something must have triggered it in that conference room. I mean you don't go to a party and then commit a mass shooting at the same place without them being connected somehow. Or maybe you do, I have no idea what's in the mind of those people. In any case I was very impressed by the level of preparedness and quick response of the authorities handling such an incident. Also listening to what people inside the building did during the attack, barricaded themselves and took precautions to avoid being spotted or struck by stray bullets was reassuring. I'm very glad people in the USA know what to do in such a case, in my country 90% of the population probably doesn't even know what a gun shot sounds like, nevertheless know what to do in a terrorist attack. A bomb attack was foiled two days ago in Romania, a Hungarian extremist group planned to detonate a bomb during the National Day parade in a small town. Sorry for the off-topic.

One of the shooters has been taken out. ABC news is showing life footage, he's on the ground and most likely has bled out. Good riddance! Here's the escape vehicle that was seen by the witnesses after the shooting

The world is going to shit, attacking a center for people with disabilities... Tell me they didn't read that in some book... RIP to the victims and godspeed to the LEOs, I hope they nail the bastards quickly! Some info about the Inland Regional Center http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/san-bernardino-shooting-what-inland-regional-center-n473016 EDIT: Anyone heard who might be the victims? The live feed on ABC news said the attackers went to a conference room that was rented for a banquet. So the location of the attack might not be related to why did it happen.

I actually meant the opposite, that other NATO countries didn't do the same thing under similar circumstances, that Turkey's response was disproportionate to the level of threat. I don't believe Turkey only wanted to put a stop to Russian airspace violations, that's only a pretext. I think Turkey caused this incident to disrupt the cooperation between Russia and NATO in the area while portraying themselves as victims of Russian aggression. That's the only play that makes sense to me which actually could have made up for all the repercussions that followed and helped Turkey's interests if it have played out their way. Erdogan is practically a dictator in a democratic country, he will do whatever it takes to stay in power, including siding with the enemy to keep the Kurds in check. His actions keep sabotaging the collective effort to stop ISIS, he is clearly not on board with Western agenda. If his "friend" is the biggest enemy of the Western world, that's more reason for me to believe that the motives behind this incident are far more sinister. To me every life is important, that's why I chose a career in the medical field. And no offense but veteran pilots are not expendable, they are one of the country's most valuable assets and their death being facilitated by a friendly/neutral country is not irrelevant. There is no war between Russia and Turkey so lethal action is almost never warranted in these scenarios. As a conclusion, was Turkey withing its rights to shoot the plane down, yes. Do I think Turkey had ulterior motives for shooting down the plane and it had nothing do to with standing up to the Russian bear, absolutely!

You think now RuAF will stay clear of turkish borders? No, they are now flying their bombers with escorts. If this scenario repeats itself, the Russian escorts will have to engage the Turkish fighters (even though it will result in mass casualties for Russia for being outnumbered), so yeah Russia could shoot down a Turkish fighter in self defense. Image the shitstorm that would cause. Russia has a history with almost every NATO country of violating their airspace, locking on their fighters and all that stuff. How many planes were shot down since the cold war? I guess the eurowussies are just too cool headed. If your read my comment carefully, I didn't ask whether the shooting was justified, but whether putting the Russian pilots in a life threatening situation was deemed necessary by the Turkish forces. Turkey shot down the bomber because the wanted to, not because they had to. There is no definitive proof to what Putin said about Turkey, but it's not a stretch to think that Turkey is holding back against ISIS for various reasons, judging by the fact that Turkey's involvement against ISIS is almost non-existent. So I think this shooting was premeditated and aimed to cause an international incident and gain support from the international community, which lately has been accusing Turkey of secretly aiding ISIS. Read this article if you have time. link

His old pc was top of the line so I'm suspecting the new one will require a small power station to run and sooner or later it will become self-aware and take over the world. :D

+RIP+ to the police officer and the two civilians and my condoleances to their families. Good quote Ranger61, we are living in a time where people who feel betrayed by society often resort to violence to express their discontent. It feels like the human race is getting dumber, resorting to primitive behavior to speak up. Of course only a very small percentage is guilty of this, but they still manage to terrorize the rest of the world. I often wonder what kind of damage (beside the emotional one) is caused with these senseless killings, what if one of the victims could have become or gave birth to the next Albert Einstein.

I agree with this statement 100%. ISIS should have been stopped in it's tracks long before it got any momentum, but the Syrian Rebels preferred to do nothing when ISIS was focused on Iraq and now there's no militia capable of stopping them. Without foreign aid, the FSA would not last long fighting on two fronts and the SAA is in such bad shape that it would crumble against the ferocity of the Daesh. I don't see any sort of resolution to this conflict until ISIS is dealt with and that's only going to happen if NATO or a few of the major powers in the region engage them in full scale war. It seems like the most savage group ends up getting the power and not the one that fights for the right reasons. People are always more driven by hate than by justice.

Thanks for the correction, I've not been up to date with the latest news. Russia's support to the current Syrian regime is the base of the current Russian-Turkish volatile relations, Turkey wants to see Assad gone and Russia is not speeding up the process.

NATO is a defensive alliance so if Turkey keeps up this trend and Russia ends up shooting down one of their planes in defense, the NATO allies will not have any obligation to step in. Hopefully it will never come to that but shooting down the plane for entering your airspace for less than 20 seconds is ridiculous. Two pilots where shot and killed while parachuting because of Turkey's ego. Do you think that's fair and justified? Plenty of countries have trespassed into neighboring airspace with no ill intend, the USAF did it so do other NATO countries in Europe. Even if they are allies they are not allowed to enter allied airspace without authorization. It's not like Turkey had no idea why are Russian planes near it's border and what are they doing there. The problem is that they are not bombing the right side of the war.

It would be truly idiotic for them to announce their next target. More than likely the US intelligence services have eyes on anyone who could pull something like this and releasing a video beforehand would attract a lot of unwanted attention. They are probably blowing smoke in our eyes and it's a distraction for their next real attack which I believe would take place in the EU or Russia. But let's hope they'll never get to put their plans into action. I didn't get to live the communist era but damn if I wouldn't sleep better knowing that the some neo-Securitate/NKVD/Stasi etc is always searching our drawers and everyone spies on everyone.