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This is getting pretty f*cking annoying as an American who has to wake up to this sh*t weekly.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/09/us/northern-arizona-university-shooting/

 

(CNN)A freshman accused of shooting four fellow students at Northern Arizona University has been charged with one count of first-degree murder and three counts of felony aggravated assault.

Steven Jones, 18, said "Yes" when a Coconino County judge asked him over a video feed Friday afternoon if he understood the charges. Bail was set at $2 million.

Prosecutors said Jones was involved in a fight with other students around 1:20 a.m. Friday and ran to his car where he picked up a handgun. This is not a case of self-defense, the prosecution said.

Colin Brough was killed and Nicholas Piring, Nicholas Prato and Kyle Zientek were wounded, the university said.

University Police Chief Gregory T. Fowler said at a morning news conference that Jones was cooperating with investigators.

Fowler said it appeared the victims had been shot multiple times.

The victims were all members of the Delta Chi fraternity, the organization said Friday. The suspected gunman was a pledge in another fraternity -- Sigma Chi, according to that organization's national office.

"We are deeply saddened by this tragedy and our thoughts and prayers are with the friends and family of the victims, as well as the entire community in Flagstaff," Delta Chi said in a statement. The organization said it was seeking the university's help in providing counseling to its members.

Sigma Chi Executive Director Michael Church sent his condolences to the victims.

"Our hearts and prayers are with the family and friends of the individual killed and those who were injured," he said. Church added that the incident was "in no way associated with any chapter event," but the chapter has been suspended and Jones removed from the pledge program.

University President Rita Cheng said the school had experienced "a terrible tragedy."

"This is not going to be a normal day at NAU," she told reporters. "Our hearts are heavy."

 

Students shaken up

 

Students, appearing weary and shocked, attended a morning news conference on the shooting. Some questioned why it took more than an hour after the shooting for text notifications warning of danger to go out to the university community.

Junior Megan Aardahl told CNN she awoke to text messages from the school and her family checking to see if she was OK. She said the incident rattled her and other students.

"There's a huge sense of community here, so everyone's just trying to like reach out and make sure everyone's OK, but it's a little anxious not knowing who's involved," she said.

Fowler said he couldn't immediately explain the messaging delays but said officers sent initial alerts out of an abundance of caution even though the situation was under control and there was no danger to students.

Gov. Doug Ducey pledged state support to help police investigate the shooting and to help those injured recover.

"This heartbreaking incident will impact many of our fellow citizens, and I ask all Arizonans to keep them and the family of the individual lost in their thoughts and prayers as they cope with this tragedy," he said.

Sen. John McCain, an Arizona Republican, also issued a statement.

"My thoughts and prayers are with families of the person who was killed and the three others who were wounded in the horrific shooting on the campus of Northern Arizona University in Flagstaff early this morning," he said. "I appreciate the efforts of all state and local law enforcement officials, first-responders and school administrators, and continue to pray for the recovery of the injured, as well as all those in the NAU community who have been impacted by this terrible tragedy."

The shooting comes the same day President Barack Obama visited Roseburg, Oregon, and the families of those slain in the October 1 massacre at Umpqua Community College.

The gunman in that case, Chris Harper-Mercer, 26, killed nine people before killing himself, according to police.

CNN's Shawn Nottingham, Faith Karimi and Tina Burnside contributed to this report.

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You mean the Gun Free Zone didn't do it's job???? I know, maybe if Obama just signs a proclamation stating that you can't buy a gun without a background check, that'll stop all these school shootings..... 

 

 

 

 

Asshat...... 

I very highly doubt that. We had a couple shootings in close proximity, and now the other crazies are following the leader to try and stir up the masses as much as possible. No idea why, but massive waves of shootings don't just happen.

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I very highly doubt that. We had a couple shootings in close proximity, and now the other crazies are following the leader to try and stir up the masses as much as possible. No idea why, but massive waves of shootings don't just happen.

Nope. That's Obama's plan. He's already stated that. 

Perfect way to prove your point in a mature and respectful way, right there.

And you Contributed nothing to this topic. Congrats, bro. 

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You mean the Gun Free Zone didn't do it's job???? I know, maybe if Obama just signs a proclamation stating that you can't buy a gun without a background check, that'll stop all these school shootings..... 

Asshat...... 

Very well articulated. I like the ad hominem. Let me know next time you make a new thread so I can step in and call you an asshole unprovoked.

 

Let me ask you a question genius, do you think less restrictions or more restrictions on buying something, anything, would make it more difficult to obtain? It's become increasingly difficult for minors to purchase things such as tobacco or alcohol in the last few decades simply because of a couple of changes in law regarding legal age to buy, consume, posses or be intoxicated. These laws and restrictions by no means prevent minors from obtaining these things but they certainly have deterred it. Any steps taken to better gun control are better than nothing, which is whats being done right now; Nothing. And republicans have nothing to give to these discussions other than the shrug their shoulders, call it a mental health tragedy, post some kind of Facebook JPEG using a poorly formed "guns don't kill people" analogy of some kind and move on with their lives.

When you insult somebody coming out of the gate, chances are you have a sh*t argument to begin with, so I'm guessing that post will be your strongest. If not, and you think you have a better answer to stop these shootings; take your best shot. (No pun intended.)

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Very well articulated. I like the ad hominem. Let me know next time you make a new thread so I can step in and call you an asshole unprovoked.

 

Let me ask you a question genius, do you think less restrictions or more restrictions on buying something, anything, would make it more difficult to obtain? It's become increasingly difficult for minors to purchase things such as tobacco or alcohol in the last few decades simply because of a couple of changes in law regarding legal age to buy, consume, posses or be intoxicated. These laws and restrictions by no means prevent minors from obtaining these things but they certainly have deterred it. Any steps taken to better gun control are better than nothing, which is whats being done right now; Nothing. And republicans have nothing to give to these discussions other than the shrug their shoulders, call it a mental health tragedy, post some kind of Facebook JPEG using a poorly formed "guns don't kill people" analogy of some kind and move on with their lives.

When you insult somebody coming out of the gate, chances are you have a sh*t argument to begin with, so I'm guessing that post will be your strongest. If not, and you think you have a better answer to stop these shootings; take your best shot. (No pun intended.)

I  think you totally misunderstood my post.... That was sarcasm aimed at Obama, not you...................

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I  think you totally misunderstood my post.... That was sarcasm aimed at Obama, not you...................

I've said it before and I'll say it again, sarcasm is extremely hard to notice through text. I honestly thought you were insulting unr3al, not Obama. Please choose your words carefully next time.

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All is forgiven then. I still stand by my stance that the ways these weapons are obtained needs to change, as do the processes you need to go through in order to be cleared to own one.

I forgot to mention previously, one neat innovation people got a look at last year is the gun that cannot be fired by somebody who is not the owner. This technology may be able to be deployed in a way in which the weapon cannot discharge within certain GPS coordinates. This would be invaluable, but it would require all guns to be chipped with this type of technology and that's going to take a very long time to happen.

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This reminds me of when the Columbine Shootings happened, shortly after a school shooting took place here, in Canada. The killings were deemed to be copycat killings and nothing to really be taken serious, despite the tragedy it was. This was also followed by copycat threats in America of killings apparently "going" to happen, only to be nothing but idiots blowing hot air to rile up the population. Ironically enough this happened shortly after budget cuts to the emotionally disturbed, nearly eliminating any assistance to those who were mentally ill. 

Interesting that this happened the same day Obama was visiting Oregon for that shooting though, perhaps ironic. 

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I love how pro-gun activists and anti-gun activists refuse to cooperate with each other.

For the former the ultimate solution is to arm everyone with a gun, including children, disabled and old people, effectively turning the country into a war zone, where the best shooter survives (and even he might be killed with a lucky shot, here's the Wild West reality for you), because "if someone needs a gun, he/she will get it". In my opinion for a 15-y.o. school student with no criminal record obtaining a weapon from the black market and not getting caught immediately is, well, problematic at best, but who am I to judge. 

For the latter a weapon is an ultimate evil which, apparently, possesses its own will and is capable of killing on its own discretion, here's why all the guns must be banned. Why would you need it for self-defense, if there's police? If everything else fails, at least they can nicely chalk up your body. 

[all above-stated is sarcastic and isn't aimed at any of the forum members]

I mean seriously, weapons are dangerous (like cars are (surprise!) or electricity or petrol), and they need control, too. America has gun ownership, that's cool. But the owners have to understand their responsibility. Sandy Hook shooter took the weapons from his mother, for instance. So own a gun, but keep it from an unauthorized access. And if you can't, don't own it. 

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I live in canada, what we have is  restricted wepons. such as assualt rifles certin handgauns and a few rifles,those wepons are  illegal. what I think is why not have these laws in the United states. here there is a retricted guns license, some of the wepons you can now get are a few handguns, and a few rifles, the only guns  you can buy with a  normal guns license is a small amount of handguns and hunting shotguns and hunting rifles.

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At least two lives ruined because of an idiot's short temper... Why would you bring a gun to the university ffs?

Also I can't help but think this might have started as some inter-fraternity argument that turned deadly. Still, since he shot the victim multiple times and injured others, that shows intent and I hope he rots in prison. Anyone know what kind of background did the shooter have because I have a hard time seeing someone who managed to finish highschool and enroll to a college just pick up a weapon and start shooting people. Didn't the school year in USA just started? I don't believe this could be a revenge shooting caused by bullying/

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If the republicans get their way and arm everybody in the U.S. I can see the country turning into real life DayZ just minus the zombies. Seriously a fair majority of Americans need to wake up and realise that this is their kids dying, for some really good solutions? Take a real hard look at my homeland Australia and the UK/New Zealand or any other country that has banned the guns. 

 

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If the republicans get their way and arm everybody in the U.S. I can see the country turning into real life DayZ just minus the zombies. Seriously a fair majority of Americans need to wake up and realise that this is their kids dying, for some really good solutions? Take a real hard look at my homeland Australia and the UK/New Zealand or any other country that has banned the guns. 

 

Hitler disarmed Germany, 14 million killed.

Mao disarmed China, 80 million killed.

Stalin disarmed Russia, 50 million killed.

You don't think if the only people who had guns were criminals, cops, and the military that the common citizen would become so oppressed that they would revolt? It's not guns that are the problem, it's the maniacs that get a hold of them. They should have a more rigorous system to see if someone is responsible/mentally well enough to own a gun.

 

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If the republicans get their way and arm everybody in the U.S. I can see the country turning into real life DayZ just minus the zombies. Seriously a fair majority of Americans need to wake up and realise that this is their kids dying, for some really good solutions? Take a real hard look at my homeland Australia and the UK/New Zealand or any other country that has banned the guns. 

 

What they did in Australia will never, ever work in this country. In my opinion, if the US government tried to do what Australia did, there would be a bunch of dead cops, federal agents, and citizens who didn't want the government taking away their guns. There's no way that would go down pretty in America. We have a history of getting and/or fighting for things that the government has prohibited. For example: prohibition of alcohol, slavery, drugs and etc. So a solution like that will never happen here.

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What they did in Australia will never, ever work in this country. In my opinion, if the US government tried to do what Australia did, there would be a bunch of dead cops, federal agents, and citizens who didn't want the government taking away their guns. There's no way that would go down pretty in America. We have a history of getting and/or fighting for things that the government has prohibited. For example: prohibition of alcohol, slavery, drugs and etc. So a solution like that will never happen here.

Agreed. I don't think a lot of people from other countries quite understand the circumstances. A lot of people seem to have the mentality that if it works for them that it must work for everyone else. It'll take a unique approach to curb stomp violence like this as a whole and cutting back psychiatric help and cutting back any help period, whether it be PTSD treatment for the Vets, or help for those mentally ill or depressed is a step in the wrong direction. 

That said, better screening for all these maniacs getting ahold of weapons to begin with desperately needs to be put in place. For example a step in the right direction and a direction that doesn't strictly impose too much is mental background checks, a good example is here in Canada if you have a history of untreated or long time depression, mental illness, or domestic violence or any violence related to that you're automatically declined, period. This prevents those who have a problem, and doesn't restrict those who are actually sane. 

Perhaps banning globally the option to open carry or conceal carry a firearm may be a good start too, I don't know why that is a thing. 'Cause y'know, when I think of going to the grocery store I need to bring my gun. Having a gun for protection or hunting is understandable, but I don't see why you'd ever need to take it out into the public, that just screams unjustified shootings based around the fact that you have a weapon on you, the whole "bringing a gun to a fist fight" shtick. 

 

 

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Hitler disarmed Germany, 14 million killed.

Mao disarmed China, 80 million killed.

Stalin disarmed Russia, 50 million killed.

You don't think if the only people who had guns were criminals, cops, and the military that the common citizen would become so oppressed that they would revolt? It's not guns that are the problem, it's the maniacs that get a hold of them. They should have a more rigorous system to see if someone is responsible/mentally well enough to own a gun.

 

BTW I see you watch CPD, I do too!

You pay attention to too many Facebook JPEGS of people claiming Hitler said "You must disarm your people to conquer a country". He never said that. Somebody made it up. Those death figures are incorrect too. Hitler was directly responsible for the deaths of 20 million people, and if you consider him the sole cause or the main cause of WWII (which I don't), the deaths he indirectly caused brings his total up to 60 million. That aside, none of the dictatorships mentioned in your post went door to door and disarmed people. You know why? Because people in Europe didn't have a f*cking pistol in each house. That's an American phenomenon. Only veterans of WWI or people who hunted with rifles had guns in those days, and that's largely the case even today. The people in China were nowhere near the level of sophistication of Europe or America until the last few decades, as the country was largely comprised of peasant farmers so they had almost no weapons; the same can be said with Russia.

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 I don't think a lot of people from other countries quite understand the circumstances. A lot of people seem to have the mentality that if it works for them that it must work for everyone else.

The citizens of the countries that didn't have the ban of firearms that now do thought the same thing in the beginning yet it worked out fine didn't it? 

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The argument that banning guns in America wouldn't work is absolutely absurd. Firearm restrictions have worked in every other country that has adopted them which is clearly shown by the number of reported firearm homicides per year. To give you an example, in 2014, Japan (pop. 127.3 million) had 6 firearm related homicides and firearms are completely banned there. The United States of America (pop. 318.9 million) had 11,208 firearm related homicides reported in 2013. Japan has nearly half the population of the United States and its homicide rate is not even close to the USA's.

What about other countries with strict firearm regulations like, Australia? New Zealand? United Kingdom? France? Germany? Canada? and South Korea? Australia had 40 (2012), New Zealand had 8 (2013), The United Kingdom had 38 (2011), France had 140 (2012), Germany had 61 (2012), Canada had 131 (2013) and South Korea had 9 (2011). Keep in mind this is only including the latest firearm homicide statistics that are available from GunPolicy.org which uses research gathered from the University of Sydney. It does not included unintentional firearm deaths or suicide.

Now before you scream "My rights! My rights!" I'm not suggesting that the USA should ban firearms completely but place stronger restrictions on the ownership of firearms. A background check isn't nearly enough and being able to walk into a gun show and just walk out with a brand new assault rifle with no background check at all (which is legal in 33 states) is just crazy.

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