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I have seen a lot of people dissing GTA IV because GTA V is better. The fact is IV brought MANY new features and even take a look at fucking ELS! Compared to SA, that shit is fucking wild, and it seems to even have finally made it's way into V natively.

So I guess my question is why the fuck can't people just agree that GTA IV is also a great game? Because, it is! Discuss.

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I saw tons of people dissing IV *before* V came out. It was really not a very good game; while there were likable things about it, and it was an impressive technical achievement (ignoring the PC port), it was not fun.

 

Also, Rockstar gets to take approximately zero credit for ELS, seeing as it was a really hacky way to get emergency lighting that was based on Lt. Caine coming up with a way to use things for a purpose completely and utterly differently than how Rockstar meant them to be used. (also, SA had ELM, which actually used stuff that was plausible to use for emergency lights).

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I fail to see what great features GTA IV has that GTA SA doesn't have, besides graphical improvement. In my opinion, GTA SA has the most features since it you can do just about everything in it.

SA: See a semi-truck and want to hook up a trailer? Go ahead. See a train and want to drive it around the tracks? Go ahead. See a tow truck and want to make a train of tow trucks pulling tow trucks? Go ahead. See a tractor and want to do the same? Go ahead. Want to activate one of the about 100 cheats in the game (like flying cars, riots, aggressive traffic, etc.)? Go ahead.

IV: See a semi-truck and want to hook up a trailer? Nope. See a train (subway) and want to drive it around the tracks? Nope, but you can ride as a passenger. See a tow truck - oh wait no you don't. Unless you're playing TLAD, but then you can't hook cars to it. Want to activate some of those cool cheats? Too bad, you can only spawn a few cars, give yourself weapons, health, and armor, add or remove your wanted level, and change the weather.

GTA V brought back a lot of the things from SA which is why I think it is so much better.

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To be honest there's a couple more mechanics in IV that are better than the ones in V, In my opinion. Like the car and ragdoll physics. I'll probably get a lot of shit for this but even the default handling was better than V's, you can say otherwise but I can't stand the default handling in V.

There's also a lot of mods for IV that took a long time to develop, V just started out a month or two ago and stuff hasn't had time to really develop (unless you count LSPDFR which has been said by the devs to have made huge progress, which is great!).

On rockstar's part they did a shitty job porting it, and it runs badly on most systems yes, but with tweaking the game can easily be made stable. even on my godawful laptop I got the game to run smoothly enough to play with mods, as with any game thats unoptimized (Or just, badly ported...). with that said, V did have some vast improvements, and it actually felt like a city this time, a loot roomier than IV. 

 

Although it seems like all the modding has switched over to GTAV since its release, and I doubt much more will come out for IV. To add on to OP's question, It seems like a ton of people were excited for the release of LCPDFR 1.0, I guess not a lot of people were really complaining about IV then, but then GTA V came out and people saw the differences. I still think a lot of mechanics in IV were tons better than what we currently have though.

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Because of how incredibly unstable it was and the overall piss poor job Rockstar made at porting it from console to PC.

​this ^

Truly if it wasn't for LCPDFR I wouldn't have played IV up to this point, I beat it originally when it came out on console, I bought it for PC to mod. LCPDFR came out and was amazing (still is) but if you don't have a really damn good computer, GTA IV WILL crash A LOT. I still play it a lot but only for LCPDFR fix. Once LSPDFR comes out and it will, I'm pretty certain I will for the most part abandon IV. 

Until things get close to where gta iv is (with modding LSPDFR and custom vehicles), there is still fun to be had with IV. :)

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It seems like a ton of people were excited for the release of LCPDFR 1.0, I guess not a lot of people were really complaining about IV then, but then GTA V came out and people saw the differences. I still think a lot of mechanics in IV were tons better than what we currently have though.

^ This.

 

Up until now, people were all "make hay and celebrate" the mods we have for IV (a very good exapmle beng LCPDFR 1.0). Now that V's out, even the ones who used to appreciate IV and its mods are despising it vocally. Its in human nature. Our brain keeps comparing everything, all the time. And thats what R* and other AAA game dev companies capitalize on. People don't seem to understand IV's role in R*'s development of V. They just back V up and give it a high five, without realizing that there was a LOT, that R* learned from IV's reception and user feedbacks. Simply put, there would be no V without IV, as there would be no IV without SA, and so on. 

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^ This.

 

Up until now, people were all "make hay and celebrate" the mods we have for IV (a very good exapmle beng LCPDFR 1.0). Now that V's out, even the ones who used to appreciate IV and its mods are despising it vocally. Its in human nature. Our brain keeps comparing everything, all the time. And thats what R* and other AAA game dev companies capitalize on. People don't seem to understand IV's role in R*'s development of V. They just back V up and give it a high five, without realizing that there was a LOT, that R* learned from IV's reception and user feedbacks. Simply put, there would be no V without IV, as there would be no IV without SA, and so on. 

Very true. It just seems like a lot of people started disliking GTAIV once GTAV came out, and not even in comparison but just straight up thinking GTAIV was never good. There would be no LSPDFR without LCPDFR. I'm gonna find it hard to get used to GTAV's new mechanics along with LSPDFR. 

It's too bad IV was so bad for modding, but even in its state people found a way to make it really enjoyable with the tons of mods, and still be stable enough to play. I'm sure the same thing will happen so on and so forth though, when GTA VI comes out and we'll be comparing all the bad things GTAV had to GTAVI. I'm sure IV will be long forgotten by then. All good things must come to an end, sadly.

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To the opening poster,  I recommend not getting riled up over either people's opinions about a game or trolls who like to crap on old things. 

There are many different aspects of a game to like or dislike.  An example is story,  some people will like a certain story whereas someone else will have a completely opposite opinion and say it is old and tired.   The reasoning is as simple as the latter person playing 5 games that had a similar story while the it is the first for the person who liked it.  Same can be said about the aesthetic, graphic style.  And also the locale depicted.  Hey Liberty City/New York, woohoo awesome!   Some people will see a whole bunch of ugly buildings, roads everywhere,  concrete jungle.  I live in a big city and it looks mundane.   No thanks,  I'll pass. 

So some people really don't like the game.  To answer your question,  it is their opinion and there is no problem whatsoever.  Which goes with what you said.

So I guess my question is why the fuck can't people just agree that GTA IV is also a great game? Because, it is! Discuss.

​This is your opinion and people can disagree with you in a discussion.  So besides that,  there are only trolls and they will crap on things for no good reason.  Don't give them the time of day,  don't get baited.

 

Here is my GTA IV story timeline.   

-->  Location,  characters,  didn't interest me.  Skipped the game.  

-->  Hey police mod for GTA IV,  never played anything like that before.  SOLD!

-->  Performance issues,  sometimes getting headaches from the wild frame drops.  dozens of reinstalls trying to optimize.  Tired, annoyed, I QUIT.

-->  Hey someone made a police vehicle similar to my local PD.  I wanted that 2 years ago and now it is doable.  Starts playing the game again and lately I've been spending more time there than in GTA V.

THE POINT,  I still think GTA IV is a mediocre game and very shitty PC port.  

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​Up until now, people were all "make hay and celebrate" the mods we have for IV (a very good exapmle beng LCPDFR 1.0). Now that V's out, even the ones who used to appreciate IV and its mods are despising it vocally. Its in human nature. Our brain keeps comparing everything, all the time. And thats what R* and other AAA game dev companies capitalize on. People don't seem to understand IV's role in R*'s development of V. They just back V up and give it a high five, without realizing that there was a LOT, that R* learned from IV's reception and user feedbacks. Simply put, there would be no V without IV, as there would be no IV without SA, and so on. 

​The fact that V wouldn't have happened without IV doesn't make IV a good game. Terminator wouldn't have happened without Piranha 2: The Spawning. That doesn't make Piranha 2 not a terrible movie.

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I am not crediting ELS to IV, however you see how many more things ELS can do than it could in SA. I just don't understand, I think it's a pretty good game - what's wrong with it? So what if you can't do those kinds of things? It makes me feel like I am almost in New York, whereas SA barely to me resembles the state of California.

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I am not crediting ELS to IV, however you see how many more things ELS can do than it could in SA. I just don't understand, I think it's a pretty good game - what's wrong with it? So what if you can't do those kinds of things? It makes me feel like I am almost in New York, whereas SA barely to me resembles the state of California.

​It's not supposed to resemble the state of California...Las Venturas is based on Las Vegas, which is in Nevada. It's supposed to resemble the fictional state of San Andreas. GTA IV's city is designed really well, but I prefer to have the different terrains that SA and V have rather than only city.

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​The fact that V wouldn't have happened without IV doesn't make IV a good game. Terminator wouldn't have happened without Piranha 2: The Spawning. That doesn't make Piranha 2 not a terrible movie.

​I don't know what Piranha 2 is.  But when a subject is phrased in such a way,,  you almost want to see the inevitable train wreck. :whistling:

But I can't find any MST3K references.  So I'll assume it has no redeeming value whatsoever and just pretend it doesn't exist.  

 

Easier for me than for you I guess.   :unsure:

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​The fact that V wouldn't have happened without IV doesn't make IV a good game. Terminator wouldn't have happened without Piranha 2: The Spawning. That doesn't make Piranha 2 not a terrible movie.

I'm not even saying IV is a good game. Because the definition of good highly relies on your perception and the circumstances of what you have and have not, got.

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GTA 4 has an amazing community even its such a bad port to pc, without mods and LCPDFR the vanilla game is shitty compared to GTA 5 who doesnt need mods to look awsome.

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GTA IV has always been dissed, and by all means justified! It's just that now we have a better option :thumbsup:

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