It seems that Republicans will come out on top after the votes are counted up (We will see in the end). What do you guys think about this? I am happy that us Republicans will finally have majority in something as it seems that we are greatly outnumbered most of the time.  

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/2014

 

*Can a moderator please move this to Politics? I wasn't thinking when I made the topic, sorry!*

Edited November 5, 201411 yr by 1ian20

I'm not pleased as i think im more of a democrat . I think that people are just voting republican because they are unhappy with Obama. I don't really agree with his actions either, but i dont really consider him a liberal democrat. If anything he will be remembered for being so moderate. 

 

I dont really care for our party system, the Government is supposed to serve is citizens and protect our borders not bicker like children. 

I like politics, but I think I'm more of a independent, let's see how this turns out in the future, hopefully its successful.

Also shouldn't this topic be in politics?

I dont really care for our party system, the Government is supposed to serve is citizens and protect our borders not bicker like children.

This. I don't really like the whole idea of "their party is all that matters" (my ballot was split between parties). Admittedly, this is easier in state-level elections, where candidates can actually tailor their policies to their constituency instead of parroting the national party line because otherwise they have zero influence in anything (for basically that reason, governor's races tend to actually be competitive far more often than most other races).

Also, thread moved.

Hope Republicans will end this comedy with russia and ISIL. After all, America is World Police. Who else can help us?

And the cycle continues. One step forward, two steps back.

I don't really care for politics all that much. It seems like people just faffing about and not achieving much. I agree with whoever said it before; the government is here to serve the people, not stand around and yell at each other. 

 

As long as shit gets done, I don't care which party won, or who won, just so that what they promise to fix and do, gets done.

This. I don't really like the whole idea of "their party is all that matters" (my ballot was split between parties). Admittedly, this is easier in state-level elections, where candidates can actually tailor their policies to their constituency instead of parroting the national party line because otherwise they have zero influence in anything (for basically that reason, governor's races tend to actually be competitive far more often than most other races).

Also, thread moved.

I'm not pleased as i think im more of a democrat . I think that people are just voting republican because they are unhappy with Obama. I don't really agree with his actions either, but i dont really consider him a liberal democrat. If anything he will be remembered for being so moderate. 

 

I dont really care for our party system, the Government is supposed to serve is citizens and protect our borders not bicker like children. 

 

You guys sound like Libertarians. I support the ideas of Libertarianism, I just don't think it's a reality in this world with the type of Gov we have now.

 

George Washington himself reminded us of the dangers of political parties. 

 

"There is an opinion, that parties in free countries are useful checks upon the administration of the Government, and serve to keep alive the spirit of Liberty. This within certain limits is probably true; and in Governments of a Monarchical cast, Patriotism may look with indulgence, if not with favor, upon the spirit of party. But in those of the popular character, in Governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be encouraged." - George Washington's Farewell speech. 

 

He may be correct, time will tell. It'll be interesting to see how the Republicans will work. Obama will most certainly veto whatever they say. Back to let's sue the president policies I suppose. 

Ignorance in the voters is what's fucking this country all the way up. I hate to be so blatant with it, but it's the ghetto truth. Most people consistently vote for a particular party, regardless of what the intentions of the party actually are. I'm also baffled at the fact that people actually buy into that "This guy is bad, so vote for me" garbage on television. It never ceases to amaze me at the raw ignorance of American voters.

 

I consider myself an independent. I don't dedicate myself to a single party. I vote based on what I like to hear, because usually these politicians don't follow through. There is a quote that I enjoy hearing; "Politics are for people who are obsessed with what other people want to do with themselves."

Edited November 5, 201411 yr by CriminalKillaz

I love how people say "they are a democrat" or "they are a republican" when they both don't serve the American people instead they serve the bankers the corporations, wallstreet that's whats wrong with this county thise whole two party system is fraud and we will never shrink the government down or have as much rights as when this country was founded I voted for independents...libertarians because they are not bought like the two scrum bag parties also being limited to having two parties is going to have its consequences those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it...that is all I have to say

I truly don't care about politics, but wouldn't be easier to divide the parties into liberals and conservatives?

Edited November 5, 201411 yr by BlackJesus1

I'm truly don't care about politics, but wouldn't be easier to divide the parties into liberals and conservatives?

It could go either way, conservative Democrat, liberal Democrat. I do consider myself a Conservative though.

You guys sound like Libertarians. I support the ideas of Libertarianism, I just don't think it's a reality in this world with the type of Gov we have now.

That's not even remotely what libertarianism is. Libertarians view government interference as generally bad, and something that should be limited to the handful of situations where it's actually needed; it's a view about policy, not on politics. My view on parties is that political parties are too simplistic a system for actual policy, and politics should be less like "I have 51% so I can do whatever I want" and more like "let's negotiate to come up with something that generally satisfies people". That's a view about politics, not policy. They're really not the same class of views.

 

I truly don't care about politics, but wouldn't be easier to divide the parties into liberals and conservatives?

That's...pretty much what US political parties are, modulo the difference between "generally agree on things" and "an actual coalition intended to do well as a coalition, where individual views are subsumed into the party platform". The thing is, there's no such thing as the "liberal" set of opinions or the "conservative" set of opinions; people need not believe X just because they believe Y and both are stereotypically "liberal" or "conservative" views. There are loose associations between viewpoints, but the point of a party is to have a coherent platform, where members broadly work to get that platform implemented instead of just to get what they want on their pet issue. You couldn't have a party composed of "the liberals" or "the conservatives", because the whole idea of a political party is that party members don't all have to have the exact same views on everything (in fact, politics works better if they don't; things are better when the Democratic caucus has conservative members and the Republicans have liberal members, because that moderates individual platforms).

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What political party do you stand for?

That's not even remotely what libertarianism is. Libertarians view government interference as generally bad, and something that should be limited to the handful of situations where it's actually needed; it's a view about policy, not on politics. My view on parties is that political parties are too simplistic a system for actual policy, and politics should be less like "I have 51% so I can do whatever I want" and more like "let's negotiate to come up with something that generally satisfies people". That's a view about politics, not policy. They're really not the same class of views.

 

I think we interpreted this differently. When the other guy said, "I dont really care for our party system, the Government is supposed to serve is citizens and protect our borders not bicker like children," I couldn't help but think of Libetarianism, for which I know much about. For what he said is the sole duties of the government in a libertarian system. Defend borders, protect citizen's rights, private public goods private sector fails at, and to never interfere with people's rights, as it's the people's duty to sort issues out. I quoted your response because when you said, "This" it made it sound like you were completely agreeing with him. 

 

I completely agree with the 51%, tyranny of the majority bit. I live in a state where all the money and power flows to the city of Boston, where the rest of us at other parts of the state, not affected by Boston in any way, have to put up with all Boston based ideas, laws, taxes, and representatives. We have representatives, sure, but do they have any say? No. Simply because Boston and the surrounding communities have a larger population than anywhere else in the state, they get to dictate everything. Assault Weapons ban in Boston? Sure. But why out here? It's a problem that's been going on ever since voting began for white, land owning, privileged males. 

 

However, it seems in a Democracy/Republic type system, this is unavoidable. Honestly, is there a solution? I can't think of one. The best we can do is to be aware of it, and make sure minorities (including whites in a few years) have their voices heard. 

I think we interpreted this differently. When the other guy said, "I dont really care for our party system, the Government is supposed to serve is citizens and protect our borders not bicker like children," I couldn't help but think of Libetarianism, for which I know much about. For what he said is the sole duties of the government in a libertarian system. Defend borders, protect citizen's rights, private public goods private sector fails at, and to never interfere with people's rights, as it's the people's duty to sort issues out. I quoted your response because when you said, "This" it made it sound like you were completely agreeing with him. 

 

I completely agree with the 51%, tyranny of the majority bit. I live in a state where all the money and power flows to the city of Boston, where the rest of us at other parts of the state, not affected by Boston in any way, have to put up with all Boston based ideas, laws, taxes, and representatives. We have representatives, sure, but do they have any say? No. Simply because Boston and the surrounding communities have a larger population than anywhere else in the state, they get to dictate everything. Assault Weapons ban in Boston? Sure. But why out here? It's a problem that's been going on ever since voting began for white, land owning, privileged males. 

 

However, it seems in a Democracy/Republic type system, this is unavoidable. Honestly, is there a solution? I can't think of one. The best we can do is to be aware of it, and make sure minorities (including whites in a few years) have their voices heard. 

 

I apologize i didn't elaborate further, i consider myself fairly liberal and i think that the US should really be more like Europe and the Government should do alot more for its  citizens. Such as free healthcare, Not this sad compromise we have termed Obama care.

 

 And maybe at the first the party system seemed great when we only had like 2 parties but now we have like parties within parties and all these small parties such as Libertarians. 

 

I don't believe the party system is working because like someone else said its all about money and who can kiss the most ass to get donations. So we really need to take the money out of politics, because its not about the individual its about the agenda of the biggest contributors to that persons campaign.  

 

And if you don't want to sell your soul and pledge to the major parties, you don't even have a shot at getting in office. 

 

So how are supposed to have an efficient Government when we have essentially two groups that are fighting each other at every step???? The Democrats want more government and the republicans want less to zilch.. and then there's everyone else... 

 

I think that our society just doesn't care about politics or voting anymore.. and its a tragedy because we should be outraged at the actions of our elected representatives.

 

There was a time when you showed respect to the President of the United States no matter if you agree with his politics or not, but now even our representatives are allowed to openly bash and criticize the President with impunity. And that is just unacceptable. 

 

And Obama wouldn't have to exercise his executive powers so much if our representatives wouldn't throw a tantrum and shut down the Government  just because they feel like it. This is why nothing gets done, they need to act like mature adults and do they job we elected them to do. 

 

Obama's views are not radical, he has to compromise on everything because the Republican party has gone so far to the right.... 

 

We need to put these parties aside and come together as one United Nation, if not im afraid for what the future may hold. 

I apologize i didn't elaborate further, i consider myself fairly liberal and i think that the US should really be more like Europe and the Government should do alot more for its  citizens. Such as free healthcare, Not this sad compromise we have termed Obama care.

 

 And maybe at the first the party system seemed great when we only had like 2 parties but now we have like parties within parties and all these small parties such as Libertarians. 

 

I don't believe the party system is working because like someone else said its all about money and who can kiss the most ass to get donations. So we really need to take the money out of politics, because its not about the individual its about the agenda of the biggest contributors to that persons campaign.  

 

And if you don't want to sell your soul and pledge to the major parties, you don't even have a shot at getting in office. 

 

So how are supposed to have an efficient Government when we have essentially two groups that are fighting each other at every step???? The Democrats want more government and the republicans want less to zilch.. and then there's everyone else... 

 

I think that our society just doesn't care about politics or voting anymore.. and its a tragedy because we should be outraged at the actions of our elected representatives.

 

There was a time when you showed respect to the President of the United States no matter if you agree with his politics or not, but now even our representatives are allowed to openly bash and criticize the President with impunity. And that is just unacceptable. 

 

And Obama wouldn't have to exercise his executive powers so much if our representatives wouldn't throw a tantrum and shut down the Government  just because they feel like it. This is why nothing gets done, they need to act like mature adults and do they job we elected them to do. 

 

Obama's views are not radical, he has to compromise on everything because the Republican party has gone so far to the right.... 

 

We need to put these parties aside and come together as one United Nation, if not im afraid for what the future may hold. 

 

Very well said.

 

I can't define myself as any political party, I differ all over the place. Depending on the issue, I can vote Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, or even Green Rainbow Party if that's still around. 

 

It's a trend proven time after time again that whoever pays the most for there campaigns, ends up winning. Money is the #1 deciding factor. 

In reality, this election was more motivated by some major issues, and not based on small problems we deal with on a regular basis. From where I lived, and where I am now, people seem to be motivated in attempting to fix what Obama's has done wrong. Healthcare and immigration being 2 major things that people are most sick of. There's a reason Obama's approval rating has gone down over the years. He's already vowed to scale back/hold off on his policies if the Rep. won this term.  Right now, it's less democrat vs republican, and more "our country's in the shitter, let's fix it".

 

While I don't condone this type of thinking, the general consensus of the US (at least where I used to live at, and where I am now) is Obama has caused problems that need to be fixed.

In reality, this election was more motivated by some major issues, and not based on small problems we deal with on a regular basis. From where I lived, and where I am now, people seem to be motivated in attempting to fix what Obama's has done wrong. Healthcare and immigration being 2 major things that people are most sick of. There's a reason Obama's approval rating has gone down over the years. He's already vowed to scale back/hold off on his policies if the Rep. won this term.  Right now, it's less democrat vs republican, and more "our country's in the shitter, let's fix it".

 

While I don't condone this type of thinking, the general consensus of the US (at least where I used to live at, and where I am now) is Obama has caused problems that need to be fixed.

And some people want to impeach Obama.

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