I am fairly new here and have released a couple skins for cvpi's and my attention turned thanks to WBRPDProductions. He suggested I try my hand at it and I have since decided to have a go at scratch modeling. Time consuming is an understatement (it doesn't help that I have a bit of OCD when it comes to quality). Anyway, I may be one of the summer surprises for release but thats all I will say (hopefully nobody is doing the same, as it's fairly uncommon).

 

Anyway, back on topic, I never thought twice about the slight variations of the same car being released en masse. I simply weed through and get what I want and leave the rest. That said, I do take issue with the really poorly done items. Really, I have come across a few that there was NO POSSIBLE WAY that the author could have thought it was even remotely good, let alone the community. I mean I can understand starting a thread and getting feedback, updating it and getting more feedback through pictures. Then finally releasing something once the feedback dictates. Maybe that should be a prerequisite for releasing something, starting a thread first.

 

I have a new found appreciation for the work that modelers do by actually learning to do it myself. I will say that there is no shortage of learning material and tutorials across the internet. TRUST ME!!! I have put the time in to find the answers to my questions (two answers have eluded me and I just went on my gut with quality in mind). I will say if you don't have patience and a will to do this then you might want to move along.

 

Let me pose this question for this thread. Does it make sense to release a bunch of (currently unavailable) unlocked parts so that there can be more variation (more availability for the 'modifiers') or would it further hurt the community to do so (potentially more garbage releases)?

 

Lastly, I will leave you with this quote to think about:

 

 

"Someone's sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago" - Warren Buffett

Edited June 10, 201312 yr by Statikzx

cars are the last thing we lack....................

 

 

still cant believe there isnt a proper in game MDT/CAD

Well, at least it's not three much of the same thing.

still cant believe there isnt a proper in game MDT/CAD

 

Well modeling and scripting are two very different things. It's bad enough we have only a select few people with the knowledge to scratch model. Scripting is a totally different story.

it mostly(in my apinon), supply and demand.

Supply: modder will only use what they can get access to, weather the scratch make or all ready have it.

Demand: moddders will  make models that will have a large target, want/need

 

so this might be way you dont see many UK as AU styled police cars because there are not many people that will use them 

 

Supply and demand huh? Well as for demand, take a look at this thread: '?do=embed' frameborder='0' data-embedContent>>

 

Read through the first page. Go on to the last two pages too if ya like. You see a NYPD/LAPD or a CVPI with Liberty? Nope. But they're being released. So, IMHO, demand isn't exactly meeting supply. People are making things nobody is seeking anymore.

 

As for the "modder will only use what they can get access to" thing, its not necessary to keep making things. Like I said, I don't know why they just keep releasing stuff nobody wants. If you don't have something new to make, don't make it at all. Whats the point in making the same thing over and over again?

I sorta agree with NickieB in the fact that the only real police cars are the ones you are tired off. Really no other cars are used.

 

Just thought i should add, isn't weird how where ever Nickie post arguments erupt? Weird huh.

I don't ever recall myself posting anything that would cause grounds for a fight. I'm stating my opinion, so what. I don't know if your hinting at the fact that its my fault or what. This thread was bound for argument from the very beginning due to the topic and saying its my fault is ridiculous. I don't see arguments on 99.9% of the other posts I've made but to say that its my fault like I'm coming in here trying to start something is insane.

 

Troy - I agree with that too

Edited June 10, 201312 yr by NickieB

I don't ever recall myself posting anything that would cause grounds for a fight. I'm stating my opinion, so what. I don't know if your hinting at the fact that its my fault or what. This thread was bound for argument from the very beginning due to the topic and saying its my fault is ridiculous. I don't see arguments on 99.9% of the other posts I've made but to say that its my fault like I'm coming in here trying to start something is insane.

 

Troy - I agree with that too

 

Alright, both of you stated your points (Although, hslavior, it was really unnecessary). Leave it at that, there's no need for this off topic instigation of Flaming. Please stay on topic, or have your post simply hidden by the Staff Team. I'm getting tired of baby sitting these threads just because a couple of people don't know how to get along.

 

In short, stay on topic, no more instigation of flaming (be the bigger person and ignore it). Any more will be met with Warning infractions and posts hidden.

Im the kinda person that loves to drive current police vehicles that are in service. And most of them are eather cvi's, chargers, and tahoes. There are a few different models id like to see, unless there out there and I just havent poked around enouph..

 

older impala would be nice '>

 

But again I never get old driving the same vehiles, just put a new skin on it and its like a new car :P

First off you need to distinguish the difference between een modder and a modeler.

Modder: person who combines existing meshes to form a new mod.

Modeler: person who creates new meshes to form a mod.

Very very big difference between the two. Now of the first type there are plenty here at lcpdfr, of the second type, people who actually create parts and vehicles they want there are alot less, and that is a large reason that the downloads database is filled with so many similar cars.

Now you may ask is one better than the other? Answer is simple: No! Usually a modder will become a modeler because he/she(i know not realistic) will want to take on a more challenging mod and this is great! I think i can speak for 99% of the people that scratch model here that that is how they started, I know I did.

But to address the fact if too many of the same mods, don't hate on people cause they are trying new stuff, if you don't encourage them they won't get any further. But does thus mean ecery single cvpi/charger/tahoe gas to be added to the site? No. Its great you are showing what you can do, but i suggest only uploading if a large amount of people actually want it. The issue in the end is the mediocre mods are overshadowing the creative new mods that do exist!

As for the supply and demand comment, while that works for the economy, it doesn't stand here. People don't have to create new models, and when I do it, it sure as hell isn't to please you. I make a mod because i want it in my game, releasing it to the public is just a byfactor.

If you need help with modding feel free to contact me, just note I won't do it for you, and it takes time.

Edited June 10, 201312 yr by MrScheckske

Alright, both of you stated your points (Although, hslavior, it was really unnecessary). Leave it at that, there's no need for this off topic instigation of Flaming. Please stay on topic, or have your post simply hidden by the Staff Team. I'm getting tired of baby sitting these threads just because a couple of people don't know how to get along.

 

In short, stay on topic, no more instigation of flaming (be the bigger person and ignore it). Any more will be met with Warning infractions and posts hidden.

Understood...

 

@MrScheckske - I'm the same way, 99% of the vehicles I make are because I want them and use them in my game at one time or another. Occasionally I'll do something for someone else but not that often. Like you said, releasing the car is just a bonus I guess you could say. I have so many cars that never saw a release because I just used them for a short while. Sometimes you just don't feel like releasing everything

I am going to Release a older Body Style Charger today hopefully; I have never seen the Charger I made either.

New bar Light Technology Also Spotlights are an other hint.

 

Sgt. Perez

First off you need to distinguish the difference between een modder and a modeler.

Modder: person who combines existing meshes to form a new mod.

Modeler: person who creates new meshes to form a mod.

 

At the end of the day they're both modders.  If you make something that somehow modifies the game, then you're modding it.

 

And how can anybody complain that there is too much content available?  Sure, a lot of it might be similar, but what's the problem?  Maybe some person in France doesn't like one version of something but then likes the variant of it that somebody else made.  What if in Texas there's a guy that doesn't like any of the Texas DPS cars he's seen and then on the last page, finds one that he does like.

 

What it all boils down to is that you choose what is right for you.  The bigger the selection, the more people that are accommodated.  If there's nothing that you like amongst the 2000+ files we have, then that's where you either wait for or ask someone to make it, or you use some initiative and make it yourself.

 

Nobody had made a mod where you could play as a cop in GTA.  I'd been waiting for years, the closest thing we ever had was SA-MP.  When GTA IV came out on PC and when I saw all these script mods and I saw how I could make scripts in .NET languages, I went ahead and gave it a go, and here we are.

At the end of the day they're both modders.  If you make something that somehow modifies the game, then you're modding it.

 

Still, there's a significant difference between the two. You can't discount a modeler's hard work and compare it with...well..you know what.

 

And how can anybody complain that there is too much content available?  Sure, a lot of it might be similar, but what's the problem?  Maybe some person in France doesn't like one version of something but then likes the variant of it that somebody else made.  What if in Texas there's a guy that doesn't like any of the Texas DPS cars he's seen and then on the last page, finds one that he does like.

 

And that is where the problem occurs. There are too many "modders" right now. Almost all active members are making their own cars (putting a lightbar atop is not a "hard" task anymore; thats the bitter truth). So, if oldschool modders and newbie modders, all are modding, who is the consumer here? A handful of those who don't get into modding for various reasons. Another bitter truth- most of them prefer EVI/BxBugs'/Cj24's accurate cars. Rest of the downloaded mods just sit on the HDD collecting dust. Yes, there are people who have obtained their favorite setups from unpopular modders, but its a minority case. At any given point in time, a non-modder person posting his random lcpdfr screenshot (most of the times) features an EVI/BxBugs'/Cj24's model.

 

What it all boils down to is that you choose what is right for you.  The bigger the selection, the more people that are accommodated.  If there's nothing that you like amongst the 2000+ files we have, then that's where you either wait for or ask someone to make it, or you use some initiative and make it yourself.

 

Yeah, this is one advantage of having so many models around, tbh.

 

Nobody had made a mod where you could play as a cop in GTA.  I'd been waiting for years, the closest thing we ever had was SA-MP.  When GTA IV came out on PC and when I saw all these script mods and I saw how I could make scripts in .NET languages, I went ahead and gave it a go, and here we are.

 

Scripting is something else. You can't really compare it to the vehicle modding scene as of now since most people stay away from it due to the Xenoglossophobia. Just post a proper tutorial on coding and see how your community team has a hard time keeping 0.95 RC3 release in limelight overshadowed by other script mods overwhelming the downloads section   (just kidding, just kidding...). Gosh, but people do learn quickly. Thats what makes us humans the most intelligent species on this planet.

Edited June 10, 201312 yr by Troy

Still, there's a significant difference between the two. You can't discount a modeler's hard work and compare it with...well..you know what.

 

Well that's the wrong distinction to make.  At the end of the day we are all modders, just there are some people that model (as in make 3d models from scratch), there are some people that edit models (as in mix and match unlocked parts) and then there are people that texture (as in make textures to be applied to models), there are people that texture map (UV maps for peds, cars or whatever else), people like me that script, and then there's people that edit all of these too.

 

Essentially we're all modders, except some of make stuff from scratch and some of us edit the stuff that the former group has made.  The modding scene would be seriously dull without both groups.

 

Imagine if only 3 people made car models, and they only ever made Canadian ones.  You're really stuck if you want something even as mainstream as a LAPD model, or as niche as a Traill County, ND model.  Fortunately, because it's not like that, we have both.

Well that's the wrong distinction to make.  At the end of the day we are all modders, just there are some people that model (as in make 3d models from scratch), there are some people that edit models (as in mix and match unlocked parts) and then there are people that texture (as in make textures to be applied to models), there are people that texture map (UV maps for peds, cars or whatever else), people like me that script, and then there's people that edit all of these too.

 

Essentially we're all modders, except some of make stuff from scratch and some of us edit the stuff that the former group has made.  The modding scene would be seriously dull without both groups.

 

Imagine if only 3 people made car models, and they only ever made Canadian ones.  You're really stuck if you want something even as mainstream as a LAPD model, or as niche as a Traill County, ND model.  Fortunately, because it's not like that, we have both.

 

Agreed.

 

BUT...if someone has the capability to model something from scratch, I believe its not a hard task for him to UV map or modify his own work (like you said "mix and match"). I agree on your point, but at the same time disagree that you can ignore the fact that one has done more work than the former. Thats how this world works. And that is why, promotions are given to a selected few, not all.

 

But anyways, if you speak in a more general manner, yes we're all modders basically.

There are way to many chargers, cvpis, tahoes and impalas. Why don't people pick up something new? I'm honestly sick and tired of seeing the same cars with minor changes and a different skin. It's repatative.

 

 

Modders, do you guys enjoy doing crown vics and chargers all the time? does it not get old?

 

 

Why not tackle something new? It seems like this community is stuck on typical police vehicles.

 

 

If I had the knowledge and time, I would do it my self. But, I don't.

What did you have in mind exactly? There are plenty of Police super cars out there like Lamborghini's or McLaerns or Bugatti Veyrons or whatever. But I get enough of that in Need For Speed. I don't want to catch up to somebody in two seconds and end the pursuit. It's not realistic and a super car with a light bar on top loses its wow factory real fast and then just becomes cheesey. I like a little bit of a challenge, a little bit of realism, and driving the heavyweight V8 sedans is fun if you ask me. Furthermore, the CVPI as we know it is dead and gone, and many departments around me are ditching them entirely for the new Ford Taurus SHO based cars. So I'll soak up the gameplay with these cars while I still can.

There are also a ton of bland looking Volvo/BMW/Mercedes sedans for our European friends across the pond (sorry, just an opinion). And I don't think anybody from any country would be really aching to jump into the seat of something old and dull like a Volkswagen Scirroco (not the new one), Ford Pinto or an Oldsmobile Cutlass. CVPI's and Dodge Chargers may not be Ferarri's but they're faster than an average sedan, have a great V8 growl and can knock bigger vehicles than you think around like toys. And they certainly scream 'Police' like nothing else.

Like others have said, if you don't like the chargers and crown vics make your own models then..

There are only so many different kind of cop cars out there even worth makeing and those are crown vics, chargers, taurus, tahoe ect...  Do you even realize how much time and effort people have to put into a car to make it look good and look smooth? Tell me what other cars do you want to see? Maybe you want to see a Russian Lada? or maybe a police Skoda? 

 

Remember

 

Beggars can't be choosers.  

 

Yes. I do realize that and i stated if i had the knowledge and time i would do so.

 

"Beggars can't be choosers."

 

Read my post again, now tell me exactly where I BEG.

 

also, let me clear some things up. I am not tired of these cars, I'm tired of only seeing these cars uploaded.

 

Edited June 11, 201312 yr by BraidenC

You entirely missed the point of that phrase, both how it was used here and how it is in fact used in almost every case. It doesn't refer to literal begging. What it means is that, as long as you rely on someone else to give you something out of the goodness of their heart (i.e. this isn't a business relationship; you don't pay them), you don't get to complain about what they choose to give you. Basically, what Darkangel is saying is that you shouldn't complain, because if you want a better variety of models, make them yourself.

Well to be quite honest I've said this before the CVPI is my favorite car.Not to mention i own one in real life.I never get tired of seeing  crown vics.Also this is why ppl stop making public parts for people to use them and make there own models because everyone complains about there work.more ppl need to appreciate there work and then maybe just maybe they will consider doing something new.

 

 

FCSO_SHERIFF

You entirely missed the point of that phrase, both how it was used here and how it is in fact used in almost every case. It doesn't refer to literal begging. What it means is that, as long as you rely on someone else to give you something out of the goodness of their heart (i.e. this isn't a business relationship; you don't pay them), you don't get to complain about what they choose to give you. Basically, what Darkangel is saying is that you shouldn't complain, because if you want a better variety of models, make them yourself.

 

Thank you for clearing that up.