1 minute ago, Sam said:

 

This isn't even true.

@Sam I apologize if I mis-spoke - what part of what I said is "Not even true" sir?

3 minutes ago, Jedahdiah said:

 

 

Okay, lets have a serious discussion then. 

 

Point: A staff member has added fuel to a fire outside of your websites castle walls, and then we get told our fire is burning to brightly

 

Point: Models come locked onto your site, but then there's no moderation controlling who can download it, even though there's evidence proving the DLs are just going to be ripped.

 

Point: As I and others have said, if this was .4 being leaked, stolen and then passed on, there'd be a more aggressive response, or is that just if it was being leaked on this site?

 

Your first is valid, and something I've already acknowledged in my first post.

 

Of course there is no moderation controlling who can download files, it would be completely ineffective on a public mod site. I think maybe some people don't want their mods public. That's fine, but LCPDFR.com isn't the place for private mods.

 

For your last point, if it wasn't leaked and stolen, there would be very little we can do outside of legal means.

Just now, TexasDesigns said:

this is entirely wrong, DCMA exists for a reason...

You're assuming that every website actually takes action on DMCA* takedown requests.

1 minute ago, TexasDesigns said:

this is entirely wrong, DCMA exists for a reason...

DMCA is on the copyright holder to enforce, we aren't the copyright holder for your mods.

Why did I get in trouble when someone posted my work and I got told because 30+ reported it (Without telling them to report it) and uploaded here nothing happened to the user? 

2 minutes ago, Cyan said:

It isn't the nature of our site -- our site is public and open to all, regardless of anything.

 

 

I just gotta throw it out here that thats where you set yourself up to fail

Just now, itsEMT said:

You're assuming that every website actually takes action on DMCA* takedown requests.

its either DMCA (which i did edit to the correct spelling) or lawsuits..

Just now, itsEMT said:

You're assuming that every website actually takes action on DMCA* takedown requests.

@itsEMT love your description and signature 😛 :')

Just now, TrentMU said:

Why did I get in trouble when someone posted my work and I got told because 30+ reported it (Without telling them to report it) and uploaded here nothing happened to the user? 

We can't comment on individual moderation cases for privacy reasons, but you are free to personally contact me or our community manager if you feel something wasn't done properly.

3 minutes ago, firemanjay said:

@Sam I apologize if I mis-spoke - what part of what I said is "Not even true" sir?

 

All of it.  I won't comment on the moderation history of another member for obvious reasons, but we have never banned anyone for anything remotely close to what you describe.  

I love how Ezra hasn't responded to any of this yet has to get backed up by the Co-Founder and Founder.

That's one way to own up for your mistakes for sure.

Ok, you make fair points @Cyan, but can we please discuss TheRecluseGamer, he literally said it multiple times that "I am ripping stuff" and you guys haven't done shit to block a way for him to control his downloads.. (proof is in any of his recent podcasts, and this message  )

3 minutes ago, Epilox said:

I love how Ezra hasn't responded to any of this yet has to get backed up by the Co-Founder and Founder.

That's one way to own up for your mistakes for sure.

 

Was asking for people to refrain from finger pointing too much?  You can't ask for a civil conversation and then start calling people out.

We already said that this is something we are looking into.

Just now, Sam said:

 

All of it.  I won't comment on the moderation history of another member for obvious reasons, but we have never banned anyone for anything remotely close to what you describe.  

I will respect your choice/discretion of not commenting on a users history - except [the only issue] either you dont know about the ban [which is plausible I suppose] or you're lying [equally plausible] given the current nature of morality justified by the staff here.

 

Main reason - Fenix showed several people on the LSRD Support Team his banned LSPDFR Website Account. So... {And} The reason -> Was in fact -> "Theft" which would imply you actively administrated on his use of source code [found this part out later] because I was curious as to why he was banned.

7 minutes ago, Cyan said:

Your first is valid, and something I've already acknowledged in my first post.

 

Of course there is no moderation controlling who can download files, it would be completely ineffective on a public mod site. I think maybe some people don't want their mods public. That's fine, but LCPDFR.com isn't the place for public mods.

 

For your last point, if it wasn't leaked and stolen, there would be very little we can do outside of legal means.

 

Thanks for your time Cyan, 

 

But the issue here is that now this scenario has become so big, it's beginning to flood your walls. We as developers are looking for support, and by this site being silent on the matter, and I'm not saying a full blown military scanning system, but a mere post or topic about that you guys acknowledge the tough time us devs are having, and you support us and will be vigilante on your site for this. 

 

For us, we assume by you guys staying silent, you don't care. Your staff member proved that. Like I said, we don't want you guys to make a task force to sweep the internet, just make a post or comment on that you guys are here to support us and that the people doing this are in the wrong. By staying silent, you guys are indirectly allowing them to do this.

 

 

I understand that LCPDFR.com is a space for public mods, and we are all well and truly aware of the risk we have by posting here. But all we're saying is that those who are wronging us, with hard evidence to prove they are, are still being allowed to freely type their Captcha in and take out stuff. But I agree, you're right, if we're not happy here, we can go somewhere else, which is what we are doing. Voting with our feet.

 

And onto the final point. There you go, legal means. As devs we have none of that. We're all fish out of water, and when we turn to this website for support, we get thrown in a barrel and sho

Just now, Sam said:

 

Was asking for people to refrain from finger pointing too much?  You can't ask for a civil conversation and then start calling people out.

Its not civil for us to say he owes the entire community an apology?

1 minute ago, xPredatorz said:

Its not civil for us to say he owes the entire community an apology?

After calling the community STUPID and OVERDRAMATIC

Ignore

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5 minutes ago, TexasDesigns said:

Ok, you make fair points @Cyan, but can we please discuss TheRecluseGamer, he literally said it multiple times that "I am ripping stuff" and you guys haven't done shit to block a way for him to control his downloads.. (proof is in any of his recent podcasts, and this message  )

This is a public mod site. Let's say we did ban the member in question, hell let's even say we start requiring a membership.

Do you really think it's that difficult to set up a fake account? Do you really think IP blocks are effective?

We have had hugely persistent trolls over the ~10 years of running LCPDFR.com. In our experience, nothing will stop someone who wants to cause problems and damage.

 

Us modders work hard on stuff that we do not even have to release, but when we do decide to release it and people come and rip our stuff then all that hard work just feels useless to us.