itsEMT

Can't wait to see how much you sell it for! 

This is a bit of a rant, but I feel like it's something that needs to be said for anyone who uploads models or scripts.
 
I want to point out that our community guidelines encourage constructive criticism. This means comments on how to improve a vehicle or script, not hateful comments such as "this is shit." If you don't want comments that you think are mean (when they are really pointing out problems with it), then put effort into your uploads.
 
I asked a number of people from both sides of modding, and these are common issues listed:
 
Models:
-Big one: Complete lack of credits. More people worked on the parts used than just "you". All files should have every credit listed from the parts you used to create your content. That's even in the community guidelines.
-The credits section is included on the file page for a reason. It should be more than just "Included." It takes 5 seconds to copy and paste them.
-If you don't know who made something, find out or don't include that part. "Unknown" isn't acceptable.
-Stolen parts. If someone just gives you a part on discord with no credits and he isn't the original author, it's probably stolen.
 
IMPORTANT NOTE- It's not the job of the community to handle those issues, it's the job of moderators. If you see it, report it and move on to prevent drama
 
-Throwing a lightbar on a car and releasing.
-Way out of scale lights and other equipment, such as laptops, spotlights, etc
-No LODs, meaning the added parts disappear more than a few feet away from the car
-Lack of any additional equipment. Police cars have more than just a lightbar and pushbars. Partitions, weapons, center consoles, lighting control systems, laptops, etc. A vast majority of police cars have that and it ruins realism if a car only has lights.
-No VCF being included. Properly setup VCF's are needed for the ELS coronas to be the correct color at a distance.
-Miscolored textures. If a pushbar is green or purple, fix it.
-Clipping equipment. Nothing should be sticking through the windshield.
-Multiple radios and siren controllers. Those are extremely rare if ever used.
-Red and Blue DRL's. Not physically possible in real life.
-Super basic flash patterns that have no effort put into them.
-Calling it a real life agency when it looks nothing like it. If some one searches for that agency, they already have what they want in their mind. Putting "Fictional" in the title doesn't fix that.
 
 
Problems on scripts:
-The exact same stolen vehicle callouts across 50 files, and especially scripts that only contain those. Mainly when it is copied exactly from tutorials and the only difference is the type of car.
-People committing crimes while standing in the middle of the street.
-Outlandish events that never happen day to day, ie: Major shootouts, stolen monster trucks, tanks, emergency vehicles, etc. Even pursuits are fairly rare for most officers.
-Stolen code from others
-Callouts riddled with errors
-Unrealistic premises. For example, a mugging should be over in a few seconds and shouldn't be called in until after it's over. You shouldn't get the call, respond for 2 minutes and still find the suspect holding someone at gun point.
 
There's dozens of discords of talented people who would be happy to help. Don't be afraid to ask them. Modding is a learning process. You're not going to be good over night, it takes time and most importantly, you can always improve. Picasso didn't sell his first drawing he did in grade school, you should probably not release your first ever model or plugin either.
 
Mainly, take some time to objectively ask yourself if you would download it if you didn't make it or if you didn't have a bias towards that agency.
 
This leads me into the topic title. Just because "It's his first time" doesn't make some one immune to criticism. People should be encouraged to improve. I spent hundreds of hours on my first vehicle uploads. I sought the guidance of people with way more experience than me who I trusted. If some one points out issues to the car or script, they aren't a "hater". They aren't a "shithead who would struggle to put 2 match sticks together". They actually do care that some one can improve. I personally want to see as much quality stuff put into the downloads section as possible. But that means actually taking time on something, which is something very few people have been willing to do over the last year.

Is it actually difficult for you to understand that there is basically nothing that can be done to stop people who want to cause harm from causing harm?

You're assuming that every website actually takes action on DMCA* takedown requests.

I see. I'm sure you're well aware that ripping will never stop and cannot be stopped, so why lock models in the first place?  Why not give the resources used to the public for use on other models? I understand that you put your own money into it, but that won't stop anyone. I'm a developer and I can't recall ever trying to stop someone from accessing source code to something I've made. Maybe it's just the way I think and my belief that sharing is caring, but it seems to do more harm than good when you lock something because then shit like this happens.

I see. I'm sure you're well aware that ripping will never stop and cannot be stopped, so why lock models in the first place?  Why not give the resources used to the public for use on other models? I understand that you put your own money into it, but that won't stop anyone. I'm a developer and I can't recall ever trying to stop someone from accessing source code to something I've made. Maybe it's just the way I think and my belief that sharing is caring, but it seems to do more harm than good when you lock something because then shit like this happens.

You're dead wrong if you think I'd spend money on cars for a game. I don't play FiveM, I hardly even play GTA at all anymore.

Have you ever taken a moment to stop and think that maybe people wouldn't rip if shit wasn't sold for hundreds of dollars? What happened to making and releasing models because people like to?

Making a new account and enabling a VPN is in no way difficult, and that's how they would get past any barrier set it place. 

Is it actually difficult for you to understand that there is basically nothing that can be done to stop people who want to cause harm from causing harm?

I didn't read all this topic, because I don't like flushing my time down the toilet. But I just have to comment on the expectations of users that this site should pursue your content on other sites, on other servers, in other jurisdictions.
 
Here is a bullet point of GitHub's DMCA procedure:
 
If your content is stolen, you, your lawyer or some other designated person is responsible for making a DMCA claim against the site or hosting provider hosting it. Not me, not Sam Houser, not your great aunt's dog. YOU!
 
Just as I have filed DMCA requests for my mods. I didn't demand someone else who's hosting my mods do it for me.
 
Just as has probably been done when LCPDFR or LSPDFR are hosted elsewhere without permission or decompiled.
 
It's unlikely that most vehicle mods even are valid copyright claims anyway. Surely EA, Ubi or whoever should be making that claim against a vehicle taken from their game. Or Ford, Dodge or whatever company owns them trademarks. Or the emergency department or company who's logos are being used.
 
And if locking mods is no longer effective, maybe complain to Oleg that your overpriced ZMod subscription doesn't feel worth it any more. But I'm sure he'll tell you that it is impossible for any file to be protected against reverse engineering, decryption, ripping, decompiling, etc. without preventing users from obtaining that file in the first place.

You're assuming that every website actually takes action on DMCA* takedown requests.

Is it actually difficult for you to understand that there is basically nothing that can be done to stop people who want to cause harm from causing harm?

Can't wait to see how much you sell it for! 

Can't wait to see how much you sell it for! 

Is it actually difficult for you to understand that there is basically nothing that can be done to stop people who want to cause harm from causing harm?

Is it actually difficult for you to understand that there is basically nothing that can be done to stop people who want to cause harm from causing harm?

You're assuming that every website actually takes action on DMCA* takedown requests.

Can't wait to see how much you sell it for! 

Hey guys sorry to interrupt!
 
I fully understand how bad it is to get your mods stolen, ripped, leaked, whatever it may be, and from the perspective of a modder I understand all the outrage with the ripping that has been going on in both FR and the modding community in general.
 
However, what actually do you think the FR staff can do about this? Honestly, tell me what you think they can do to stop all ripping in the FR community. There is no answer, and the answer certainly isn't moving all your mods to a different website... That's just... fucking stupid. You still mod for the LSPDFR mod, and every one of you started with FR so let's not forget that, and maybe try to work together with the staff to try and stop it? Idfk that's just what im thinking as a concerned third party!

You're assuming that every website actually takes action on DMCA* takedown requests.

Was asking for people to refrain from finger pointing too much?  You can't ask for a civil conversation and then start calling people out.
We already said that this is something we are looking into.

@itsEMT love your description and signature 😛 :')

We don't deal with activities outside our site, it really does come down to that. There is no effective way we can police activity outside of it, as much as we'd want to.
The only site I can think of that does punish users for actions that they perform outside of the website is Twitter, which gets constant issues with people claiming overzealous moderation.
 
It is regrettable that one of our moderators expressed their own personal views on the matter, we don't advocate this position and will discuss this internally.
 
We'll leave this thread open if you seriously want a discussion. If this ends up just a fest of name calling, and spamming website addresses, it will be closed per our site rules.

Just fyi, I'm patiently awaiting a DM from a staff member explaining why/how this is being handled...