54 minutes ago, Frooty said:

Those two mods are extremely useful and i haven't found any other mods like those two, since we "can't" share them with each other (Which i think is totally stupid, it's free.. come on) is there any where we can get those two mods? Did the author release them on another site perhaps? lspdfr is a little lame without them.

It's not stupid at all.

Just because it's free doesn't stop it from being someones work that they have rights to. If he doesn't want it distributed here, we should respect that. 

he ought to know most of the 1 star reviewers and what not are young kids and newbies who don't know any better. hopefully the dude gets over this and puts it back up again soon. for now someone should really throw this up on a third party website for the time being just so people still have access to it.  that's just me, i know people will disagree 

27 minutes ago, Cyan said:

It's not stupid at all.

Just because it's free doesn't stop it from being someones work that they have rights to. If he doesn't want it distributed here, we should respect that. 

 

It is stupid, the only time a mod is not allowed to be shared is when the mod is not free or if the author is making money from the mod being on a certain site.

 

We can legally share the mod, we can't sell it.

 

He has the right to tell us not to share the mod but if it's legal to do it.. we can do it. it's just the matter of respect. Which i respect a lot of things but that is just stupid..

9 minutes ago, Frooty said:

 

It is stupid, the only time a mod is not allowed to be shared is when the mod is not free or if the author is making money from the mod being on a certain site.

 

We can legally share the mod, we can't sell it.

 

He has the right to tell us not to share the mod but if it's legal to do it.. we can do it. it's just the matter of respect. Which i respect a lot of things but that is just stupid..

It's copyright by the author, the same way LSPDFR itself is. You cannot redistribute either legally without permission. Something being issued on a free license doesn't negate copyright/other rights.

On 8/8/2019 at 11:43 AM, Cpl.Griffiths said:

confirmed police 1013 is over... most dev left lol including the main guy matt  who was banning everyone lol

 

 

I called this from day 1.   I knew it was never going to see the light of day, I just didn't think it'd be because of their own team being stupid.

 

On 8/8/2019 at 2:04 PM, Spoonyforky said:

Police 1013 web-page still shows it's moving forward.  

 

https://police1013.com/

 

It might be trying to live on, but 10-13 is dead in the water.  They're just begging for scraps at this point.

 

Taken from their website:

 

Quote

ps – Police 1013 will have a no-troll policy. The only criticism we will listen to from this point on will be when we ask for it. I hope that makes sense.

 

aka we no longer give a fuck about our community.  That SHOULD be the deal breaker that causes people to lose hope and move on, but there are still many idiots who will throw money at the dev and have hope.  Having followed multiple games, I can tell you that refusing to accept feedback except for when you want it is how a game ends up with only features the developer thinks is good - which means less community suggested additions.  There's a game I'm playing now that is still under heavy development (Storm Chasers), and the developer listens to the community, adds what we want, and actually cares about his game.

 

 

1 hour ago, Frooty said:

 

It is stupid, the only time a mod is not allowed to be shared is when the mod is not free or if the author is making money from the mod being on a certain site.

 

We can legally share the mod, we can't sell it.

 

He has the right to tell us not to share the mod but if it's legal to do it.. we can do it. it's just the matter of respect. Which i respect a lot of things but that is just stupid..

 

Think about this scenario for a minute.

 

You're a little kid who has a lemonade stand, and lemonade is 5 cents.

 

A group of 40 people show up.  One person pays for a cup of lemonade and hands the cup to a friend.

 

Same person takes another cup and hands it to another friend.

 

Same person takes another cup and again hands it off to a friend.

 

and so forth until all their friends have their own cup.

 

They all leave once they have finished, with only that one person paying.  5 cents for 40 people would've amounted to $20  (or around there, math is not my friend)

 

You've lost money and had your merchandise stolen.

 

Same concept as here, only a) It's free.  b) You're giving it to one person, who will more than likely give it to his friend, who will give it to his friend, and so on.  c) Hard work has been put into the merchandise.

 

Something to remember is that "free" does not always mean 100% free.  We can watch Youtube videos for free, but certain Youtubers won't let you take their videos and upload it to your channel.  If the content isn't yours, you have no right what so ever to do anything with it except use it in your game.  Authors don't care if you still have their removed mod in your game, they just don't want you giving it out to others.

Edited August 11, 20196 yr by Reddington

On 8/9/2019 at 12:23 PM, Michael.K said:

I do have a copy of it still installed on my pc hmu if anyone needs it?

 

I need it a lot 😄

 

1 hour ago, Reddington said:

 

I called this from day 1.   I knew it was never going to see the light of day, I just didn't think it'd be because of their own team being stupid.

 

 

It might be trying to live on, but 10-13 is dead in the water.  They're just begging for scraps at this point.

 

Taken from their website:

 

 

aka we no longer give a fuck about our community.  That SHOULD be the deal breaker that causes people to lose hope and move on, but there are still many idiots who will throw money at the dev and have hope.  Having followed multiple games, I can tell you that refusing to accept feedback except for when you want it is how a game ends up with only features the developer thinks is good - which means less community suggested additions.  There's a game I'm playing now that is still under heavy development (Storm Chasers), and the developer listens to the community, adds what we want, and actually cares about his game.

 

 

 

Think about this scenario for a minute.

 

You're a little kid who has a lemonade stand, and lemonade is 5 cents.

 

A group of 40 people show up.  One person pays for a cup of lemonade and hands the cup to a friend.

 

Same person takes another cup and hands it to another friend.

 

Same person takes another cup and again hands it off to a friend.

 

and so forth until all their friends have their own cup.

 

They all leave once they have finished, with only that one person paying.  5 cents for 40 people would've amounted to $20  (or around there, math is not my friend)

 

You've lost money and had your merchandise stolen.

 

Same concept as here, only a) It's free.  b) You're giving it to one person, who will more than likely give it to his friend, who will give it to his friend, and so on.  c) Hard work has been put into the merchandise.

 

Something to remember is that "free" does not always mean 100% free.  We can watch Youtube videos for free, but certain Youtubers won't let you take their videos and upload it to your channel.  If the content isn't yours, you have no right what so ever to do anything with it except use it in your game.  Authors don't care if you still have their removed mod in your game, they just don't want you giving it out to others.

$2 not $20 lol and i understand that but he's still getting credit for the mod. He's not making money off of the mod so it shouldn't matter if people get the mods on this site or not.

 

All that's happening is people would share it on dropbox or mediafire or something and that would be it. 

1. He's not losing credit of the mods

2. He's still getting credit and attention of the mods because of his name in the files and everyone knows he's the one that made the mods

3. He's not losing profit because he's not selling it.

4. People will still come here for issues and updates of the mod (if he ever releases the mod on here again that is)

 

I think he's really just trying to get people to apologize for being dumb asses, he knows his mods are big and most people use them so if people can no longer download his mods they can no longer leave dumb reviews and they will eventually beg for the mods and apologize. That's my hypothesis anyways, if it is true he's doing what i'm thinking then it's smart and i completely understand.

 

 

 

Edited August 11, 20196 yr by Frooty

13 minutes ago, Frooty said:

$2 not $20 lol and i understand that but he's still getting credit for the mod. He's not making money off of the mod so it shouldn't matter if people get the mods on this site or not.

 

All that's happening is people would share it on dropbox or mediafire or something and that would be it. 

1. He's not losing credit of the mods

2. He's still getting credit and attention of the mods because of his name in the files and everyone knows he's the one that made the mods

3. He's not losing profit because he's not selling it.

4. People will still come here for issues and updates of the mod (if he ever releases the mod on here again that is)

 

I think he's really just trying to get people to apologize for being dumb asses, he knows his mods are big and most people use them so if people can no longer download his mods they can no longer leave dumb reviews and they will eventually beg for the mods and apologize. That's my hypothesis anyways, if it is true he's doing what i'm thinking then it's smart and i completely understand.

 

 

 

 

Here I thought putting .2 x 40 in calculator would pay off.  #fuckmath

 

I understand how frustrating it is when people up and remove their shit, and it happens a bit more than needed, imo.  What it ultimately comes down to though is respect. Yes, you "can" go and give it around to friends and what not, but when the author explicitly states they do not want you to do that, you should show them the respect they have earned.  They made a mod that you love and are desperate to have, so the very least you can do is adhere to their wishes and not give it away like it's candy.

 

Personally, I'm in the same boat.  If I made vehicles, I would only want people to get them from where I specifically uploaded them.  Not only because it's my mod, but I want more traffic to my mod and more downloads.  That brings up another point, when you pass it around to your friends, you're stealing traffic away from the official file, and you're stealing potential downloads.  The download statistic might not seem important to most, but it does matter, and for some people, the number of downloads does influence whether or not they use a mod.

 

That said, I will say I made some enemies a while back when I started shitting on mod authors who rage quit LSPDFR and went over to some reject site.  I still stand by everything I have said regarding that situation.  It is petty to remove your mods simply because of a larger issue that is brought on by the community, not the staff, not the website.  If you're curious about it, you can PM me.  Not gonna go into a big thing about it here.

25 minutes ago, Reddington said:

 

Here I thought putting .2 x 40 in calculator would pay off.  #fuckmath

 

I understand how frustrating it is when people up and remove their shit, and it happens a bit more than needed, imo.  What it ultimately comes down to though is respect. Yes, you "can" go and give it around to friends and what not, but when the author explicitly states they do not want you to do that, you should show them the respect they have earned.  They made a mod that you love and are desperate to have, so the very least you can do is adhere to their wishes and not give it away like it's candy.

 

Personally, I'm in the same boat.  If I made vehicles, I would only want people to get them from where I specifically uploaded them.  Not only because it's my mod, but I want more traffic to my mod and more downloads.  That brings up another point, when you pass it around to your friends, you're stealing traffic away from the official file, and you're stealing potential downloads.  The download statistic might not seem important to most, but it does matter, and for some people, the number of downloads does influence whether or not they use a mod.

 

That said, I will say I made some enemies a while back when I started shitting on mod authors who rage quit LSPDFR and went over to some reject site.  I still stand by everything I have said regarding that situation.  It is petty to remove your mods simply because of a larger issue that is brought on by the community, not the staff, not the website.  If you're curious about it, you can PM me.  Not gonna go into a big thing about it here.

 

Yeah i agree with you. 

@Sam You need to give Bejoljo's mods a place in the essential section as soon as he's back. He deserves it !

 

A majority of the current "essential plugins" haven't been updated for a loooong time and are kinda obsolete compared to what we currently have.

 

That would be a first step into rewarding him for his work. 

Edited August 12, 20196 yr by Officer 81

I don't know if this is a "hot take" or not but this is the problem with this mega mod  culture. First, let me say this: I appreciate his work and I wish him the best. I also hope for his return as his plugins help improve LSPDFR.

 

With this being said, it seems like the trend nowadays of this community is reliance on mega mods and mega mod developers. When it works mega mods are ideal especially if most are developed by the same developer. You don't have to worry about the mods being incompatible and usually these mods come with important and significant updates semi-regularly . The problem is when something goes "wrong" (developer loses interest, gets burned out, personal life needs more attention, etc.). 

 

These mods then stop being developed and what is left is a community that is in great need of another developers mod to fill in the hole that has been created. However, it is usually the case where it takes a long time for this to happen. I mean if you are a new developer why would you try to create a plugin that directly competes with these mega mods that are almost essential to a modded LSPDFR. You run the almost certain risk of being overshadowed. So what happens instead is alot of small niche mods are created and we have to wait for someone to fill the void (which tends to start the cycle again).

 

Now you really can't fix this as its not so much a "problem" as it is a mentality and culture but it is something you should at least think about. For now my rant (if you can even call it one) is over.  Just food for thought.

 

Edited August 13, 20196 yr by rmckinstry

35 minutes ago, rmckinstry said:

I don't know if this is a "hot take" or not but this is the problem with this mega mod  culture. First, let me say this: I appreciate his work and I wish him the best. I also hope for his return as his plugins help improve LSPDFR.

 

With this being said, it seems like the trend nowadays of this community is reliance on mega mods and mega mod developers. When it works mega mods are ideal especially if most are developed by the same developer. You don't have to worry about the mods being incompatible and usually these mods come with important and significant updates semi-regularly . The problem is when something goes "wrong" (developer loses interest, gets burned out, personal life needs more attention, etc.). 

 

These mods then stop being developed and what is left is a community that is in great need of another developers mod to fill in the hole that has been created. However, it is usually the case where it takes a long time for this to happen. I mean if you are a new developer why would you try to create a plugin that directly competes with these mega mods that are almost essential to a modded LSPDFR. You run the almost certain risk of being overshadowed. So what happens instead is alot of small niche mods are created and we have to wait for someone to fill the void (which tends to start the cycle again).

 

Now you really can't fix this as its not so much a "problem" as it is a mentality and culture but it is something you should at least think about. For now my rant (if you can even call it one) is over.  Just food for thought.

 

 

It's not that people just want one mega author who does every mod imaginable.  It's about convenience, quality and trust.  With Bejoljo, we know his mods will be top quality and we know they will get updated, fixed, etc  While I can sympathize with newer plugin devs, they shouldn't be trying to compete to begin with.  During the course that I've been here, I've noticed that some devs will blatantly make the same mod that someone else did, albeit it looks different, but offers no better functionality or features.  Their intention was to get the downloads by mimicking someone else's mod.

 

However, I like mega authors and mega mods because then you don't have 10 people making the same exact mod, all trying to milk downloads.  I do like variety, and I do think it's nice if people make sister mods - not competiting, just there for variety - but personally, I'd rather have a big name I go to for my mods.  I'll still try the mods others put out, but if I don't like them, or I don't like a certain feature, look, etc I'll have the option to go back to the one before.

 

Lets look at Albo.  For the longest time, his mods were the must haves.  The issue was that all his mods were VERY resource intensive and required ALL of his mods in order to work.  (Granted, he later removed the requirement of having all his mods, however it was claimed that performance might be bad without all of them).  Bejoljo stepped in and condensed AM and TP into one single mod - and best of all, it didn't have the fps issues.  You still needed SmartRadio, and still do as it's an amazing mod.  My point is, there's always improvements that can be made.  Bejoljo started off as a no name (no offense to him) who rose to be the one that makes the mods we all desperately want in our game.  With Bejoljo gone and possibly not coming back (although we all hope he does), the stage is set for someone to take his place.  Does that mean someone will attempt it?  Not a clue. 

 

Going back to what I said in the beginning, trust.  There have been a lot of authors who made lower quality mods and/or lower quality and never improved upon them.  We, all of us, we want to use a product that is by someone we know and trust.  Would you use a car from a big name manufacturer that you trust, or a newer, shady manufacturer that says they can give you the same car for a lower deal?  People want the product from the source that they trust and know, this applies to everything in life.  What I have discovered is that this really only applies to plugins. I've donwloaded a good majority of cars from this site, including cars from people who just registered all the way to people who have been here for years.  For vehicle mods, 'big names' is nice because you know what quality to expect, but when you see a brand new face uploading a vehicle, you get excited to see what they are bringing to the table.

 

I think the ultimate "issue" here is that it's really a race to make a mod no one else has thought of.  Stop The Ped is an example of this.  Albo thought of AM, TP and Smart Radio, the latter is the only mod that has not been remade by someone else.  Smart Radio hasn't been remade because, in my opinion, it's perfect, and apparently everyone agrees.  Personally, if Bejoljo had kept his mods here, STP would never have competition because it is perfect.  Eventually, there is a chance someone would make a sister mod similar to STP, but I doubt that would be competition - it'd be personal preference.

 

Edited August 13, 20196 yr by Reddington

22 minutes ago, Reddington said:

 

It's not that people just want one mega author who does every mod imaginable.  It's about convenience, quality and trust.  With Bejoljo, we know his mods will be top quality and we know they will get updated, fixed, etc  While I can sympathize with newer plugin devs, they shouldn't be trying to compete to begin with.  During the course that I've been here, I've noticed that some devs will blatantly make the same mod that someone else did, albeit it looks different, but offers no better functionality or features.  Their intention was to get the downloads by mimicking someone else's mod.

 

However, I like mega authors and mega mods because then you don't have 10 people making the same exact mod, all trying to milk downloads.  I do like variety, and I do think it's nice if people make sister mods - not competiting, just there for variety - but personally, I'd rather have a big name I go to for my mods.  I'll still try the mods others put out, but if I don't like them, or I don't like a certain feature, look, etc I'll have the option to go back to the one before.

 

Lets look at Albo.  For the longest time, his mods were the must haves.  The issue was that all his mods were VERY resource intensive and required ALL of his mods in order to work.  (Granted, he later removed the requirement of having all his mods, however it was claimed that performance might be bad without all of them).  Bejoljo stepped in and condensed AM and TP into one single mod - and best of all, it didn't have the fps issues.  You still needed SmartRadio, and still do as it's an amazing mod.  My point is, there's always improvements that can be made.  Bejoljo started off as a no name (no offense to him) who rose to be the one that makes the mods we all desperately want in our game.  With Bejoljo gone and possibly not coming back (although we all hope he does), the stage is set for someone to take his place.  Does that mean someone will attempt it?  Not a clue. 

 

Going back to what I said in the beginning, trust.  There have been a lot of authors who made lower quality mods and/or lower quality and never improved upon them.  We, all of us, we want to use a product that is by someone we know and trust.  Would you use a car from a big name manufacturer that you trust, or a newer, shady manufacturer that says they can give you the same car for a lower deal?  People want the product from the source that they trust and know, this applies to everything in life.  What I have discovered is that this really only applies to plugins. I've donwloaded a good majority of cars from this site, including cars from people who just registered all the way to people who have been here for years.  For vehicle mods, 'big names' is nice because you know what quality to expect, but when you see a brand new face uploading a vehicle, you get excited to see what they are bringing to the table.

 

I think the ultimate "issue" here is that it's really a race to make a mod no one else has thought of.  Stop The Ped is an example of this.  Albo thought of AM, TP and Smart Radio, the latter is the only mod that has not been remade by someone else.  Smart Radio hasn't been remade because, in my opinion, it's perfect, and apparently everyone agrees.  Personally, if Bejoljo had kept his mods here, STP would never have competition because it is perfect.  Eventually, there is a chance someone would make a sister mod similar to STP, but I doubt that would be competition - it'd be personal preference.

 

I agree with you that trust, reliability, and quality are very important and are usually a given when a mod is released from a big name author. Like I said in my original post, when the mega mod(s) and the development of said mods work, it's great.  The problem is when it breaks down.

 

Like you I would rather have my mods from one developer or developer(s). However, a players LSPDFR mod pack shouldn't be stopped to a standstill when said developer decides to remove or stop developing their mods (maybe open sourcing is a solve?? Who knows).  To be clear I am not blaming the developers (its not their job to make sure the modding community is solid without them). 

 

In regards to issues with new developers, alot of problems stem from long standing issues that previous developers have expressed. 

Edited August 13, 20196 yr by rmckinstry

On 8/12/2019 at 1:58 PM, Officer 81 said:

@Sam You need to give Bejoljo's mods a place in the essential section as soon as he's back. He deserves it !

 

A majority of the current "essential plugins" haven't been updated for a loooong time and are kinda obsolete compared to what we currently have.

 

That would be a first step into rewarding him for his work. 

 

I suspect that this might be an unpopular opinion and I understand why, but I actually disagree with this sentiment.  I think it's a dangerous path to take if we make modding all about fame or rewards.  Popular mods and their authors will naturally become well-known and well-liked.  This is great, and it should certainly act as some motivation for people to get involved and put their work out there.  

 

At the end of the day, though, becoming popular or famous isn't what a modding community should be about.  People play game mods to have fun, and likewise people should make game mods because they think it's fun too.  It might be a hobby, it might be a nice technical challenge, or it might just be something that they've always wanted to see in a game.

 

If we become too distracted by things like comments, reviews, likes and let ourselves forget about the genuine fun that games and modding can bring, then we have completely failed as a modding community and instead have become something far more superficial.

 

And before anyone accuses me of not being in the same boat, I am.  Just look at any LSPDFR release topic and cast your eyes over the people screaming at us in capital letters.

 

I know that many people value Bejoljo's mods.  I do too.  But, that's not how things are going to work.  If he feels that it's an appropriate response to criticism - fair or unfair - to remove all of his mods, thereby denying them to the hundreds of new people who discover LSPDFR each day, then that is his decision and we will respect it.

 

We won't, however, pander to it.

Lets just thank the mods for spending hours of their free time and effort for everyone's benefit!  Even if a mod isn't what you expected, their intentions were to make our experience better.  Also, take the time to thank YouTube/Twitch creators that brought a lot of us to LSPDFR.  Have fun with it.  Use what you like and pass on what you don't like.  Most of all, just be respectful.

1 hour ago, Sam said:

 

I suspect that this might be an unpopular opinion and I understand why, but I actually disagree with this sentiment.  I think it's a dangerous path to take if we make modding all about fame or rewards.  Popular mods and their authors will naturally become well-known and well-liked.  This is great, and it should certainly act as some motivation for people to get involved and put their work out there.  

 

At the end of the day, though, becoming popular or famous isn't what a modding community should be about.  People play game mods to have fun, and likewise people should make game mods because they think it's fun too.  It might be a hobby, it might be a nice technical challenge, or it might just be something that they've always wanted to see in a game.

 

If we become too distracted by things like comments, reviews, likes and let ourselves forget about the genuine fun that games and modding can bring, then we have completely failed as a modding community and instead have become something far more superficial.

 

And before anyone accuses me of not being in the same boat, I am.  Just look at any LSPDFR release topic and cast your eyes over the people screaming at us in capital letters.

 

I know that many people value Bejoljo's mods.  I do too.  But, that's not how things are going to work.  If he feels that it's an appropriate response to criticism - fair or unfair - to remove all of his mods, thereby denying them to the hundreds of new people who discover LSPDFR each day, then that is his decision and we will respect it.

 

We won't, however, pander to it.

How are "essential mods" decided. Don't get me wrong something like Cop Holster is a great addition to your game but its hard to argue that it's more essential than STP or UB.

 

Just an idea but maybe the essential mod selection can be voted on by the community every few months.

Edited August 13, 20196 yr by rmckinstry

52 minutes ago, rmckinstry said:

How are "essential mods" decided. Don't get me wrong something like Cop Holster is a great addition to your game but its hard to argue that it's more essential than STP or UB.

 

Just an idea but maybe the essential mod selection can be voted on by the community every few months.

 

The Essential category was created to be a central place to find mods that are, well, essential. ELS for example is required by most car mods, therefore it should be easier to find. EUP is pretty much required to have proper uniforms for your LSPDFR character.  It isn't meant to be a section promoting popular mods, nor should the mods there need to be changed every few months. 

 

Granted, the category needs to be updated and some mods should probably be removed and/or added, but we're not going to add mods there as a reward or incentive. 

16 minutes ago, willpv23 said:

 

The Essential category was created to be a central place to find mods that are, well, essential. ELS for example is required by most car mods, therefore it should be easier to find. EUP is pretty much required to have proper uniforms for your LSPDFR character.  It isn't meant to be a section promoting popular mods, nor should the mods there need to be changed every few months. 

 

Granted, the category needs to be updated and some mods should probably be removed and/or added, but we're not going to add mods there as a reward or incentive. 

Never said it should be used as an incentive. I don't see how community voting would change the narrative of that category. As it stands now, making a mod essential so that other mods depend on is already an incentive. 

 

If the community sees a certain mod as essential then why shouldn't it be given a spot in that category? You aren't giving it the title of essential because the mods author did a great job and has X number of downloads, your giving it that title because the LSPDFR community sees it as essential.

 

With your current definition really on 3 of those mods should be there.

Edited August 13, 20196 yr by rmckinstry
commas and bad grammar

7 hours ago, Sam said:

 

I suspect that this might be an unpopular opinion and I understand why, but I actually disagree with this sentiment.  I think it's a dangerous path to take if we make modding all about fame or rewards.  Popular mods and their authors will naturally become well-known and well-liked.  This is great, and it should certainly act as some motivation for people to get involved and put their work out there. 

@Sam I totally agree with you, but then, how can you even agree with the existence of this "essential" section. It is some sort of reward, a "proof of trust", from my point of view.

 

Still from my point of view, it appears unfair that some people are designated as "essential" members of the community and are put under a spotlight for that, while others, who are as talented if not even more, aren't. It can easily be frustrating for people like Bejoljo. I would be frustrated.

 

Again, I totally agree with you. This fact just seems contradictory to me. Every mods should be treated as equal, and none should be put under a spotlight while others are left under the shadow.

 

Edit : I totally agree with what @rmckinstry said !

Edited August 13, 20196 yr by Officer 81

hey guys, i understand it is removed but can a kind soul please upload the last version of each for me? i would really appreciate it thanks