Signing out.

[t0y 5198]

Hi whoever is reading this,

 

So it has been a very long time coming, and I have thought about this a few times but I am finally quitting LSPDFR and probably GTA. I know you're probably wondering why did I just post a picture of a cop car I modeled then, well that was before I realized I was quitting and demotivated thanks to chapperoni for giving me a kick in the butt. There have been MANY things leading up to this decision, and of course it isn't an easy one to make ive been in the community for almost 2 years now and have enjoyed a lot of it (ish) and found new hobbies of mine like modeling and graphic design, and subsequently police cars and has directed my attention at a law enforcement career in the future (maybe, probably not though.)

 

Anyway here are some reasons why I am leaving, I was going to keep this brief but really fuck that, not here to start an argument or anything either thank you to the staff for your help and im not trying to call anyone out of course just hoping this will open your eyes if you want to keep your mod alive. 

 

- Toxic, toxic modding community. Not that this is necessarily the mod's fault or the general community's fault but man are the modders on this toxic. For those of you who have yet to see what goes on behind the scenes it is just full of negativity, immaturity, and constant shit talking no matter what you do. It is hard to spend money on ZM, and lord  knows the time to make models for a plugin for a video game as your hobby just to have half of the modding community tear your shit up because your lightbar is an inch too high or your antenna is curved a bit, or god forbid you dont have a cone and a bag in your trunk. 

 

- Inactive and/or generally unsupportive staff team. Again not trying to call any of you out, and those active ones you know who you are and I fully support you but those who arent its not very great. I haven't seen 90% of the staff team even so much as comment on a post in a very long time, which by all means is great go have your life dont focus on some police mod for a video game, but you cant expect the community to stick around. Someone can post a shitty, obviously troll model or livery and it wont get taken down for 6 hours just to have the whole community berating them and reporting them but no one doing anything about it, or they can leave a 1 star review saying some pointless shit on a mod you spent weeks on and guess what... you report it and nothing happens, just sad how unsupportive the staff is.

 

- NO UPDATES! It has been 1 1/2 years since the last update for LSPDFR, with an experienced team behind it, a supportive community, and plenty of staff working on it nothing has been done. I know I know "BUT 0.4 IS COMING ITS GOING TO CHANGE THE GAME!!!!" simply... no. An animation has been added. And RDE and EUP have been watered down and then added. Not only is it not good, its just bad, not trying to be rude but nobody wants that, I could care less for stop and frisk or having mods that are already in my game dimmed down, we need an actual update. I know what you're thinking: "t0y you IGNORANT SLUT! YOU ARE A MODELER YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT GAME DEVELOPMENT AND SCRIPTING!!!!!!!! YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO TALK YOU FAT SLOB!" first of all im not fat, and that is very rude, second of all ITS BEEN A YEAR AND A HALF there have been so many scripts made, and huge game improving mods like from Albo that have taken less than a year in a half or PNWParksFan who has made an ENTIRE COAST GUARD CALLOUTS MOD in less than that time that has 100x more content than that update, and those are all by one person not even a whole development team. Up until the 0.4 announcement I had just thought the scripters or creators or whatever you guys are called just ditched the whole mod which is really sad considering I have spent countless hours, even 100s of hours making content for this community on my own time, without asking for donations, or trying to sell godawful merchandise. I really would've expected more from you guys, and you've failed us.

 

- Honestly it's just boring. A repetitive mod that barely scratches the surface into anything police related. There are police chases, sure but you chase the guy for 4m, get run over by 100 cop cars "helping" you, pit the guy, shoot him, call a coroner, and drive away then rinse and repeat. No cordoning off the scene, calling investigators, directing traffic away from it, getting backup to come and park near the scene to help out, nothing that isn't action filled, like normal police work. It's just not enough to spend so much time on making models for, I would be willing to bet that there has been 5x as much time and effort spent on modeling for the community as I've seen from people like Matt who spends so much hard work on his models than the mod itself which is just silly. AGAIN because I know this will be taken the wrong way im not trying to call you guys out, I know you have a life, it's just a reason why im out of here.

 

Anyway to conclude. Yeah. Bye.

 

Thanks to all the people that I was friends with over the years, you know who you are (most of you are in Faux Policiers, if so this is repetitive and we're still going to talk to so not saying bye so this is pointless so special thanks to you guys: Emil, DudeMan would be cooler if this was your real name but fuck off, Eric, Jay, Rob, Alex, Maurice, Steven, Brad, Hank, Jake, Jed, Kevin, Kus, Luke, and Trevor sorry you're last but you're offline so your name is on the bottom of the list.

 

If you want to stay in touch my Discord is t0y#8617 and my Twitter is thet0y feel free to add me/follow me and we can chat. Still going to lurk around here and see what happens.

 

Edited April 11, 2018 by t0y

[iAmEMT 115]

Goodnight sweet prince :(

[Kevinw17 60]

You had some quality ass content, and I'll really miss that, thanks for everything you did for this community, and hopefully I'll see you back sometime <3

#@Streaks

Edited April 11, 2018 by Kevinw17

[Slendis 1602]

Please, never come back pussboi..

[Original Light 1114]

Farewell. 

[Mr.DudeMan 329]

you were and will always be my favorite modder you care about your friends unlike that one vegetable that did unmarked cars you put tons of efforts in your mods you put tons of research in nysp pack you did not care about hate or negative feedback and alex 
sad to see you go but i agree with everything you said lspdfr is about to shoot itself in the foot with the new update

so long mr t0y

Edited April 11, 2018 by Mr.DudeMan

[RobertTM 1590]

:(

It's been a great time, and I can't blame you for leaving, idk how much longer I'll be around myself. 

[CVPIguy 11]

Goodbye t0y. I'm gonna miss your amazing content.

 

If you decide to read below, don't shun me. And yes, I'm Canadian don't judge

Wish you'd release some more Canadian stuff, like Ottawa.

[Sc0tlandIsMyCountry 68]

i miss u t0y @streaks sleep tight sweet prince

[Maurice97 6108]

It was and it is an awesome time with you.I hope that we can stay in contact.You helped me with so many stuff and your models are lit.Sad to see this step happening but i can completly understand that.Mods please read his text carefully  and change things.....He is telling the truth

Edited April 11, 2018 by Maurice97

[Prod 33]

Its been awesome T0y farewell my friend you are very talented, You are a legend in my book on LSPDFR!!!

[Ezra 3699]

51 minutes ago, t0y said:

- Inactive and/or generally unsupportive staff team. Again not trying to call any of you out, and those active ones you know who you are and I fully support you but those who arent its not very great. I haven't seen 90% of the staff team even so much as comment on a post in a very long time, which by all means is great go have your life dont focus on some police mod for a video game, but you cant expect the community to stick around. Someone can post a shitty, obviously troll model or livery and it wont get taken down for 6 hours just to have the whole community berating them and reporting them but no one doing anything about it, or they can leave a 1 star review saying some pointless shit on a mod you spent weeks on and guess what... you report it and nothing happens, just sad how unsupportive the staff is.

 

 

 

It's fine to say goodbye, but don't attack staff and provide false information.  Nothing happens?  Would you like a screenshot of every single report that has been dealt with recently?  Would you also like to see screenshots of when there have been 0 reports?  We handle every report that comes in.  It might take a little while for staff to see the report or handle it, but that's because we all have lives of our own.  Would be nice if folks were patient and didn't get upset because the report didn't have the outcome they wanted.

 

[Original Light 1114]

17 minutes ago, Giordano said:

 

It's fine to say goodbye, but don't attack staff and provide false information.  Nothing happens?  Would you like a screenshot of every single report that has been dealt with recently?  Would you also like to see screenshots of when there have been 0 reports?  We handle every report that comes in.  It might take a little while for staff to see the report or handle it, but that's because we all have lives of our own.  Would be nice if folks were patient and didn't get upset because the report didn't have the outcome they wanted.

 

 

I'd have to agree.

We don't live on here. None of us on the staff team are kids anymore. We have jobs, school, and other priorities. Everything gets handled in the end. That's all that matters.

 

 

 

 

[t0y 5198]

24 minutes ago, Giordano said:

 

It's fine to say goodbye, but don't attack staff and provide false information.  Nothing happens?  Would you like a screenshot of every single report that has been dealt with recently?  Would you also like to see screenshots of when there have been 0 reports?  We handle every report that comes in.  It might take a little while for staff to see the report or handle it, but that's because we all have lives of our own.  Would be nice if folks were patient and didn't get upset because the report didn't have the outcome they wanted.

 

 

First of all. Calm down. "Again not trying to call any of you out" was posted at the beginning for a reason, this is not an attack, and this is not false information. Second of all, responding to a report is not the same as something happening. I have reported, plenty of terrible reviews on my mods or other people's mods, or troll mods and half the time, even though it is the wrong thing to do you will just ignore it which, sure is solving this report or whatever you call it but it is not very supportive to modders when they get a one 4 star review out of lets say 50 that says "pls can this b oiv instalton is so confusing!" and it ruins all the reviews making it a 4.5 star average, and nothing happens to the review. Having a troll file or review up for 6 or 12 hours is the same as just not deleting it, 100s of people will see it, it will turn people away from the website or just waste their time by reporting it and arguing about it, and will turn people more importantly away from mods that have 4.5 stars etc. 

 

Anyway I know that paragraph was confusing and I did bounce around a bit but I am 2 hours into a 5 hour ACT study session and not enjoying it so im a bit tired. 

 

And to address the "we have lives of our own" that sure is true, and I understand, you just need to see how frustrating that is for someone who spends days, weeks, and months making content for a mod that has an inactive staff team, just for it to get berated by false reviews that stay up regardless of if they go against the rules. (To be fair though some are taken down, which I appreciate)

 

ANYWAY to finish this up, if this point really angers you that much just ignore it and all my other points will stand. 

[Not AJ 212]

I'd have to agree with you, for the most part, t0y. Things have really changed  It's gonna change worse without you here. I hope you do make a return one day. I can't agree necessarily on the LSPDFR developers lacking on developmental efforts. However, I do agree with the rest of the portions above [yes, I meant it]. Rest well, good sir. It was a pleasure having you here.

 

#RIP_t0y #t0yThatsAZero 😭✊💯🏆

 

EDIT: Oh just a quick shoutout to my favorite community moderators in the past 5 years: Ryan, ineseri, and Kallus Rourke  Hope to see the two of you back! 

Edited April 12, 2018 by aJ1399

[willpv23 1803]

1 hour ago, t0y said:

Up until the 0.4 announcement I had just thought the scripters or creators or whatever you guys are called just ditched the whole mod which is really sad considering I have spent countless hours, even 100s of hours making content for this community on my own time, without asking for donations, or trying to sell godawful merchandise. I really would've expected more from you guys, and you've failed us.

 

1 hour ago, t0y said:

I would be willing to bet that there has been 5x as much time and effort spent on modeling for the community as I've seen from people like Matt who spends so much hard work on his models than the mod itself which is just silly.

 

I have many things I could say in response to some of the things you mentioned, but I just want to focus on this specifically because it's something that bothers me quite a bit. Sam, LMS, and Cyan have spent countless hours (literally thousands) creating LSPDFR (and RPH, in LMS's case). Here's a screenshot from Sam's Steam profile:

 

 

So, yeah, saying that someone spent more time creating car mods than LSPDFR is just wrong.

 

 

[t0y 5198]

4 hours ago, willpv23 said:

 

 

I have many things I could say in response to some of the things you mentioned, but I just want to focus on this specifically because it's something that bothers me quite a bit. Sam, LMS, and Cyan have spent countless hours (literally thousands) creating LSPDFR (and RPH, in LMS's case). Here's a screenshot from Sam's Steam profile:

 

 

So, yeah, saying that someone spent more time creating car mods than LSPDFR is just wrong.

 

 

 

Ok, but specifically this update it took 1.5 years for it? Granted I know I dont script but it doesnt seem like much to show for that much time put in.

 

Again, I dont want to fight with you guys or call you guys out I appreciate everything you all do for the community and giving this opportunity in general etc.

 

Also might I add:

Let's say I am wrong about all of this, that the staff is very active and responds to every report correctly, the 0.4 update took 100s of hours of development and testing and it was worth the 1.5 years that it took to come into light. Is it not worrying that I (A member of the community for almost 2 years, a pretty decent sized creator, and not totally uninformed) think what I said? What does that mean about people who are in fact completely uninformed? Because sure it could be true that it took so long to create 0.4, but if it seems as insignificant as I think to everyone else then that in itself is a huge issue.

Edited April 12, 2018 by t0y

[BlueLineBacker 185]

In all honesty , compared to LCPDFR is LSPDFR proceeding with development and updates nearly as fast?.

[Sam 8768]

1 hour ago, t0y said:

- NO UPDATES! It has been 1 1/2 years since the last update for LSPDFR, with an experienced team behind it, a supportive community, and plenty of staff working on it nothing has been done. I know I know "BUT 0.4 IS COMING ITS GOING TO CHANGE THE GAME!!!!" simply... no. An animation has been added. And RDE and EUP have been watered down and then added. Not only is it not good, its just bad, not trying to be rude but nobody wants that, I could care less for stop and frisk or having mods that are already in my game dimmed down, we need an actual update.

 

I'll just say that this simply isn't true.  LSPDFR 0.4 is actually a pretty fundamental shift.  RDE and EUP haven't been watered down, nor have they been added.  EUP is, at its core, a mod which adds various models and textures which replace some of the GTA Online player clothing.  We're not adding that, we're instead adding native, seamless compatibility for it which is something that you can't really achieve just now.  I don't really know how RDE figures into anything - the core of that mod is partially content that it adds, like police cars, and partially the custom wanted level responses.

 

And, a lot of people do want this.  It's one of the things that we've heard time and time again from so many people.  There's a huge demand for GTA Online characters with EUP outfits to be available as NPCs, and there's a huge demand for native custom character support in LSPDFR.

 

And, what's being dimmed down?  The current mods available for stopping and frisking use animations that bend your player character over halfway into the suspect and then make them feel around the air.  We included this in the first announcement for 0.4 as it was something pretty different, and visual, that people would instantly notice - and they did.  Nobody wants to see us talk instead about how we've restructured our pursuit code to use behavior trees.

[t0y 5198]

1 minute ago, Sam said:

 

I'll just say that this simply isn't true.  LSPDFR 0.4 is actually a pretty fundamental shift.  RDE and EUP haven't been watered down, nor have they been added.  EUP is, at its core, a mod which adds various models and textures which replace some of the GTA Online player clothing.  We're not adding that, we're instead adding native, seamless compatibility for it which is something that you can't really achieve just now.  I don't really know how RDE figures into anything - the core of that mod is partially content that it adds, like police cars, and partially the custom wanted level responses.

 

And, a lot of people do want this.  It's one of the things that we've heard time and time again from so many people.  There's a huge demand for GTA Online characters with EUP outfits to be available as NPCs, and there's a huge demand for native custom character support in LSPDFR.

 

And, what's being dimmed down?  The current mods available for stopping and frisking use animations that bend your player character over halfway into the suspect and then make them feel around the air.  We included this in the first announcement for 0.4 as it was something pretty different, and visual, that people would instantly notice - and they did.  Nobody wants to see us talk instead about how we've restructured our pursuit code to use behavior trees.

 

"Nobody wants to see us talk instead about how we've restructured our pursuit code to use behavior trees."

 

W...what? All due respect but that is ALL that anyone wants to see. I simply do not care about that simple animation, or the clothes that you added, or even the different jurisdictions something like that is great to hear, and actually sounds more like a huge development. You changed how the AI act, a HUGE problem in the game that everyone faces, and everyone hates. If the 0.4 update had a little section about that I would be much more interested in hearing you guys out and seeing how 0.4 played out. Plenty of animations in the game right now are terrible, fixing the stop and frisk animation is not enough to show for 1.5 years of development, I am sorry.

 

And AGAIN I know I may seem hostile, I truly do not want to argue with you guys, like I said I respect you all and appreciate all the work you guys do.

 

 

[IndianaisMyState 184]

I'll miss you my little New York friend.

Edited April 12, 2018 by IndianaisMyState

[willpv23 1803]

3 minutes ago, t0y said:

W...what? All due respect but that is ALL that anyone wants to see. I simply do not care about that simple animation, or the clothes that you added, or even the different jurisdictions something like that is great to hear, and actually sounds more like a huge development. You changed how the AI act, a HUGE problem in the game that everyone faces, and everyone hates. If the 0.4 update had a little section about that I would be much more interested in hearing you guys out and seeing how 0.4 played out. Plenty of animations in the game right now are terrible, fixing the stop and frisk animation is not enough to show for 1.5 years of development, I am sorry.

 

Actually, based on experience, no one seems to care about what goes on behind the scenes, like the pursuit logic. You even imply that you think LSPDFR is too simple and doesn't have enough in your post, but LSPDFR basically rewrites the entire GTA V AI. There is a lot to it that no one notices because it just feels natural in game (which is the point).

 

Hell, one the first trailers we released for LSPDFR showed a bunch of cops actually pursuing a suspect instead of instantly murdering them like default GTA V, and it was called out for just being done with a trainer. But everything in that trailer was LSPDFR, and you would not have been able to replicate the AI behavior without it.

[Ezra 3699]

36 minutes ago, t0y said:

 

First of all. Calm down. "Again not trying to call any of you out" was posted at the beginning for a reason, this is not an attack, and this is not false information. Second of all, responding to a report is not the same as something happening. I have reported, plenty of terrible reviews on my mods or other people's mods, or troll mods and half the time, even though it is the wrong thing to do you will just ignore it which, sure is solving this report or whatever you call it but it is not very supportive to modders when they get a one 4 star review out of lets say 50 that says "pls can this b oiv instalton is so confusing!" and it ruins all the reviews making it a 4.5 star average, and nothing happens to the review. Having a troll file or review up for 6 or 12 hours is the same as just not deleting it, 100s of people will see it, it will turn people away from the website or just waste their time by reporting it and arguing about it, and will turn people more importantly away from mods that have 4.5 stars etc. 

 

Anyway I know that paragraph was confusing and I did bounce around a bit but I am 2 hours into a 5 hour ACT study session and not enjoying it so im a bit tired. 

 

And to address the "we have lives of our own" that sure is true, and I understand, you just need to see how frustrating that is for someone who spends days, weeks, and months making content for a mod that has an inactive staff team, just for it to get berated by false reviews that stay up regardless of if they go against the rules. (To be fair though some are taken down, which I appreciate)

 

ANYWAY to finish this up, if this point really angers you that much just ignore it and all my other points will stand. 

 

We aren't inactive simply because it's not done in a timely manner.  Further, adding "not trying to call any of you out" while saying "staff are inactive/unsupportive" and that "90% of the staff team haven't been seen" does not make it less of an attack.  You are literally saying these things, stop backpeddling.  We take down all terrible reviews or abusive 1 star reviews.  Your anger is stemming from a 1star review months or so ago that you asked me to remove, and I said it was fine.  You're upset at us because we won't remove a review that you simply do not like?  Again, we remove all the negative reviews we see or ones that actually do violate our guidelines.  I'm sorry that you think some 1 star reviews on your files shouldn't be there, but that doesn't mean you're right and we're wrong.  We review each case and handle it as we deem fit.

 

 

Quote

Responding to a report is not the same as something happening.

 

In this context, yes it is.  We look at all reports and the individual decides if the reported content is worth handling.  We don't just go "yes" and "no", we investigate, and if needed, get a second opinion.

[Sam 8768]

23 minutes ago, t0y said:

 

"Nobody wants to see us talk instead about how we've restructured our pursuit code to use behavior trees."

 

W...what? All due respect but that is ALL that anyone wants to see. I simply do not care about that simple animation, or the clothes that you added, or even the different jurisdictions something like that is great to hear, and actually sounds more like a huge development. You changed how the AI act, a HUGE problem in the game that everyone faces, and everyone hates. If the 0.4 update had a little section about that I would be much more interested in hearing you guys out and seeing how 0.4 played out. Plenty of animations in the game right now are terrible, fixing the stop and frisk animation is not enough to show for 1.5 years of development, I am sorry.

 

And AGAIN I know I may seem hostile, I truly do not want to argue with you guys, like I said I respect you all and appreciate all the work you guys do.

 

 

 

Well, we will of course showcase some of the new AI developments but we're not going to lump that into a post about the new customization options.  With 0.3, we posted a series of previews focusing on different areas and with 0.4 it's much the same.  We've simply not gotten to those parts yet.

 

Regarding some of your other points, I'm aware that there's issues with toxicity and staff.  For the former - this is really something that's in your hands.  Be the change that you want to see.  As for us, we've tried for a long, long time to make the community friendlier and more accessible.  It's pretty much what gave birth to our website.  Before LCPDFR, you had GTAPoliceMods.com where you could be banned for being from a "foreign" country, or for posting a mod that an admin didn't like.  I think we've come a long way.

 

About staff, I admit that there's a couple of problems, but let me just say that we've had a number of incredibly dedicated staff members over the years, and there's people who have literally given large chunks of their lives to this community.  Our team have gone above and beyond on so many different occasions - whether it's being disturbed on Christmas to deal with trolls filling up the site with porn, or persevering through death threats and constant, daily doses of personal abuse.  On the whole, when you actually look at the sheer volume of work - they do handle an incredible amount of stuff.

 

But honestly, t0y, I understand the general sentiment behind your post and we'd be sad to see you leave.

[Twurtleee 510]

This has now turned into an argument if I must butt in here. It would save everyone the time to stop arguing about what staff does and doesn't do, what happens and doesn't with lspdfr. To clear things up with lspdfr post about it and give some more updates to be honest. People won't lose hope in it and think there is nothing going on, little has been done over the past year and half or so, etc.

Everyone will have their opinion of staff, lspdfr, mods, gta as a whole, etc. Just accept it. You guys are gonna sit here going back and forth for hours if you keep up. Best to let it go, or lock the post.

:/

And bye t0y. It was fun while it lasted

Hope to see you again IF the community improves, etc