12 minutes ago, Olanov said:

 

You can update it fine. Just once it asks to uninstall, click "remind me later" and you can proceed as usual.

I always clink on remind me later

and I'm glad that I got the offline version

 

Edited June 16, 20178 yr by UnumProvident101

4 hours ago, willpv23 said:

You can say "you had to know this was coming because OpenIV was always in a legal grey area" but that isn't the issue. The issue, and what pisses me off, is that they sent the cease and desist because they think OpenIV is used to interfere with Online. Not because of the Liberty City project, not because it breaks the EULA, but because they actually think OpenIV is a source that Online modders/hackers use to disrupt other players. 

 

Were they legally in the right to do it? Perhaps. But their reasoning is completely fucked. 

 

That was a straight up lie by them.  If not Take Two, Rockstar knew about OpenIV and what it did.  There is absolutely no way they legitimately think OpenIV helps cheaters get online. It was a blatant lie, a cop out to avoid the truth. I have a theory the Liberty City project, which I hadn't known about and still don't know what it was (but I assume it was a full conversion for GTA V), is the main culprit behind this.  Think about it.  Take Two and Rockstar are LOADED with cash.  Would they really be that much of assholes to say "we need more, so lets fuck over a majority of our community in a last ditch effort to milk GTA V"?

1 minute ago, Deputy Rourke said:

I have a theory the Liberty City project, which I hadn't known about and still don't know what it was (but I assume it was a full conversion for GTA V), is the main culprit behind this.

 

The Liberty City project was a tool that was in development that would transfer the map from GTA IV to GTA V. You would need to have GTA IV installed for it to work; there was not going to be any redistribution of any files. Apparently someone with media ties did see the actual letter which does specify not transferring content across games: 

 

 

2 minutes ago, willpv23 said:

 

The Liberty City project was a tool that was in development that would transfer the map from GTA IV to GTA V. You would need to have GTA IV installed for it to work; there was not going to be any redistribution of any files. Apparently someone with media ties did see the actual letter which does specify not transferring content across games: 

 

 

 

 

I get OpenIV was trying to do something good, but they kinda shot themselves in the foot by pushing the limits with that.  They had to of known a full GTA IV map conversion would trigger Rockstar.  I mean, they were going to provide IV's map FOR FREE. We'd get to GTA maps for the price of one.  Rockstar would rather burn their company before letting that happen.

Just now, Deputy Rourke said:

 

I get OpenIV was trying to do something good, but they kinda shot themselves in the foot by pushing the limits with that.  They had to of known a full GTA IV map conversion would trigger Rockstar.  I mean, they were going to provide IV's map FOR FREE. We'd get to GTA maps for the price of one.  Rockstar would rather burn their company before letting that happen.

You had to of bought GTA IV in order for that to work...

Just now, Deputy Rourke said:

 

I get OpenIV was trying to do something good, but they kinda shot themselves in the foot by pushing the limits with that.  They had to of known a full GTA IV map conversion would trigger Rockstar.  I mean, they were going to provide IV's map FOR FREE. We'd get to GTA maps for the price of one.  Rockstar would rather burn their company before letting that happen.

 

You would need to own (no pirates here, right?) and install GTA IV for it to work. If anything, it would have boosted sales for GTA IV.

Just now, Starkka15 said:

You had to of bought GTA IV in order for that to work...

 

Doesn't make any difference in greedy folk's eyes.  It'd still be seen as a loss of revenue.

1 minute ago, Deputy Rourke said:

 

I get OpenIV was trying to do something good, but they kinda shot themselves in the foot by pushing the limits with that.  They had to of known a full GTA IV map conversion would trigger Rockstar.  I mean, they were going to provide IV's map FOR FREE. We'd get to GTA maps for the price of one.  Rockstar would rather burn their company before letting that happen.

 

They probably did shoot themselves in the foot it's about time everybody see their (R*/T2) bad side.

Just now, Deputy Rourke said:

 

Doesn't make any difference in greedy folk's eyes.  It'd still be seen as a loss of revenue.

Any ways, I think I'm going to start working on an Alternative to OpenIV... probably I'll start next week..

1 minute ago, Starkka15 said:

Any ways, I think I'm going to start working on an Alternative to OpenIV... probably I'll start next week..

 

*Take Two comes knocking*

Just now, willpv23 said:

 

*Take Two comes knocking*

Screw them, I'm going to make it Open Source... Let's see how they'll stop that..

9 minutes ago, Starkka15 said:

Screw them, I'm going to make it Open Source... Let's see how they'll stop that..

As far as I'm concerned OpenIV should fully comply with the C&D letter... Fully stop hosting and developing the tool by posting it on GitHub with an MIT licence. Then say the running the software may be illegal and to do so at your own risk. There is no legal recourse for companies (or anyone) to say that code (by itself) is illegal or in anyway "infringes their rights." Code would be A) protected by the first amendment (to some degree) and B) fully protected by copyright and most importantly C) Completely unenforceable.

 

Just look at all of the "security" tools that are out there that would be more aptly name hack-tools/exploit kits. They are not illegal and can't be.

 

Bottom line: If you (T2 and R*) don't like people messing with your code, cheating online, and decrypting  content then DO BETTER. The burden is on you to protect what you want protected not to hide under your TOS. Which, funny enough is likely illegal now thanks to the Supreme Court (https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/05/supreme-court-victory-right-tinker-printer-cartridge-case). Given that, T2's claims hold no weight as their TOS would likely not hold water in court given this brand precedent.     

1 minute ago, kevind963 said:

As far as I'm concerned OpenIV should fully comply with the C&D letter... Fully stop hosting and developing the tool by posting it on GitHub with an MIT licence. Then say the running the software may be illegal and to do so at your own risk. There is no legal recourse for companies (or anyone) to say that code (by itself) is illegal or in anyway "infringes their rights." Code would be A) protected by the first amendment (to some degree) and B) fully protected by copyright and most importantly C) Completely unenforceable.

 

Just look at all of the "security" tools that are out there that would be more aptly name hack-tools/exploit kits. They are not illegal and can't be.

 

Bottom line: If you (T2 and R*) don't like people messing with your code, cheating online, and decrypting  content then DO BETTER. The burden is on you to protect what you want protected not to hide under your TOS. Which, funny enough is likely illegal now thanks to the Supreme Court (https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/05/supreme-court-victory-right-tinker-printer-cartridge-case). Given that, T2's claims hold no weight as their TOS would likely not hold water in court given this brand precedent.     

Unfortunately, it seems many devs are selfish in that they don't want to share knowledge, or they are actually doing things illegal and therefore won't share the code... either way, there are ways to do things on a legit basis... SparkIV should've continued on to V, but unfortunately, OpenIV snuffed them out before V was even a thought about....

33 minutes ago, Starkka15 said:

Unfortunately, it seems many devs are selfish in that they don't want to share knowledge, or they are actually doing things illegal and therefore won't share the code... either way, there are ways to do things on a legit basis... SparkIV should've continued on to V, but unfortunately, OpenIV snuffed them out before V was even a thought about....

I would totally support development of OpenV in an open source way. I've never done any GTA modding so I would have no IDEA where to start but my day job is a developer so all I do is write code all day anyway. Point me towards a Git repo though and I would be on my merry way to GTA modding... How hard could it be?... Famous last words...

"Take-Two's actions were not specifically targeting single player mods. Unfortunately OpenIV enables recent malicious mods that allow harassment of players and interfere with the GTA Online experience for everybody. We are working to figure out how we can continue to support the creative community without negatively impacting our players." - Rockstar Games

5 minutes ago, PimDSLR said:

"Take-Two's actions were not specifically targeting single player mods. Unfortunately OpenIV enables recent malicious mods that allow harassment of players and interfere with the GTA Online experience for everybody. We are working to figure out how we can continue to support the creative community without negatively impacting our players." - Rockstar Games

 

Yeah, that was posted earlier. Pretty much straight up lies.

Take 2 has declinded to comment further about the issue. 

 

http://www.pcgamer.com/heres-rockstars-statement-about-take-two-shutting-down-gtas-openiv-modding-tool/

1 minute ago, Olanov said:

 

Yeah, that was posted earlier. Pretty much straight up lies.

Ooh, overlooked it then. Sorry. Yeah, they responded, found that surprising.

Just now, PimDSLR said:

Ooh, overlooked it then. Sorry. Yeah, they responded, found that surprising.

That statement denotes that we (the modders) are not their players.

23 minutes ago, Thero said:

Take 2 has declinded to comment further about the issue. 

 

http://www.pcgamer.com/heres-rockstars-statement-about-take-two-shutting-down-gtas-openiv-modding-tool/

This is making me laugh. Take 2 a, such a joke, why do they even have anything to do with GTA V? It should be all R* then all would be good. It isn't like they don't have money to run it. I got a question also, is Alexander Blake (creator of ScriptHookV) on the OPENiV team? And if so, does this mean we wont see an update to it?