7 minutes ago, Deputy Rourke said:

 

We stand in the same spot as yesterday.  Modding is not illegal. 

Thank you!

 

Modding is not illegal. Everybody needs to realize that the issue here is between Take 2 and OpenIV. 

 

Take2 is basically saying that OpenIV is violating Take2's intellectual property rights and they must stop or face a lawsuit. OpenIV simply decided not to fight this time.  

 

While you techniically only own a license to GTA5, nothing stops you from opening the game up and making any changes you want to the code, to your own detriment if you dont understand how to do it

 

Modding software such as OpenIV and  RPH stand  alot closer to the legal line because they facilitate the editing of Take2 software at a public level and have the ability to (and have) profited from it via donations or other means. This is where OpenIV and RPH and even LSPDFR are vulnerable.

 

Individual players arent at risk and companies like Take2 would be foolish to try to go after each individual for violoating their license agreement. It would be extremely bad PR for them.

 

 

 

6 hours ago, thecovesf said:

Thank you!

 

Modding is not illegal. Everybody needs to realize that the issue here is between Take 2 and OpenIV. 

 

Take2 is basically saying that OpenIV is violating Take2's intellectual property rights and they must stop or face a lawsuit. OpenIV simply decided not to fight this time.  

 

While you techniically only own a license to GTA5, nothing stops you from opening the game up and making any changes you want to the code, to your own detriment if you dont understand how to do it

 

Modding software such as OpenIV and  RPH stand  alot closer to the legal line because they facilitate the editing of Take2 software at a public level and have the ability to (and have) profited from it via donations or other means. This is where OpenIV and RPH and even LSPDFR are vulnerable.

 

Individual players arent at risk and companies like Take2 would be foolish to try to go after each individual for violoating their license agreement. It would be extremely bad PR for them.

 

 

 

 

What Rockstar and Take2 doesn't realize or care about is that most of us on this forum, and most of the people that mod GTA, only play GTA for the mods.  I previously owned GTA V on PS3.  The SOLE reason I sought after a gaming rig was FOR modding GTA.  If it wasn't for modding, I'd of never bought this game again. 

 

The stupidity is very strong here.  Why try so hard to kill something that brings new experiences and longevity to your game?  Is LSPDFR type gameplay what you wanted GTA to be? Probably not, but you need to fucking ADAPT.  Whether you like it or not, modding will always be a thing.  Get on board with it, or you'll always have a stick up your ass.

Edited June 15, 20178 yr by Deputy Rourke

2 hours ago, Deputy Rourke said:

 

What it ultimately comes down to is Rockstar is desperate as fuck to quash modding.  They despise it, even if people just mod single player.  I find it very hard to believe that Take2 did this on their own.  Rockstar probably gave them a shit ton of pressure to do it. What Rockstar and Take2 doesn't realize or care about is that most of us on this forum, and most of the people that mod GTA, only play GTA for the mods.  I previously owned GTA V on PS3.  The SOLE reason I sought after a gaming rig was FOR modding GTA.  If it wasn't for modding, I'd of never bought this game again. 

 

The stupidity is very strong here.  Why try so hard to kill something that brings new experiences and longevity to your game?  Is LSPDFR type gameplay what you wanted GTA to be? Probably not, but you need to fucking ADAPT.  Whether you like it or not, modding will always be a thing.  Get on board with it, or you'll always have a stick up your ass.

100% agree deputy Rourke about the modding and the reason why take two shut down open iv well rockstar never liked us modding to begin with so shame on them for talking someone else into stopping modding maybe it was just take two that shut down open iv but I'm saying if rockstar had something to do with giving pressure to take two then shame on them

Edited June 14, 20178 yr by tony

how can it be deemed illegal by take two when they are not the law? they obviously don't know what the law is...are they supreme court now? open iv should of kept it running because take two cant win a law suit when they are not making any money off of it

2 minutes ago, The Knight said:

how can it be deemed illegal by take two when they are not the law? they obviously don't know what the law is...are they supreme court now? open iv should of kept it running because take two cant win a law suit when they are not making any money off of it

 

When you install the software, you agree to an End User Licensing Agreement, which states as follows:

 

Quote

You agree not to:

...

h. reverse engineer, decompile, disassemble, display, perform, prepare derivative works based on, or otherwise modify the Software, in whole or in part;

 

It's their right to enforce the EULA, the same way that it's unfortunately OIV's right to enforce their own.

Sad thing...affects also gta iv modding... . I can't believe this is happening. #Don'tBuyGTAVI

Oh well. I won't be contributing any more money to this charade. Hopefully things like zmod and ragehook won't be targeted as well, but who knows, as it seems they are randomly targeting segments of the community.

 

Sorry for the meme, but whatever:

 

Spoiler

 

Edited June 15, 20178 yr by thegreathah

24 minutes ago, The Knight said:

how can it be deemed illegal by take two when they are not the law? they obviously don't know what the law is...are they supreme court now? open iv should of kept it running because take two cant win a law suit when they are not making any money off of it

Let's be clear, It's not "illegal". You are not committing a crime. Ths police are not going to arrest you.

 

You are however, violating the license agreement by modifying the game. And that is up to Take2 to enforce. 

 

It would be a waste of time and money for Take2 to go after each individual who mods their game. So instead they go after the organizations, like OIV, that facilitate it on a public / large scale level.

 

 

Might be usefull:

 

 

Hey Take2, guess who is playing LSPDFR right this minute???

 

👺👺👺

i would be if fucking scripthook got updated

36 minutes ago, Pricefield said:

 

When you install the software, you agree to an End User Licensing Agreement, which states as follows:

 

 

It's their right to enforce the EULA, the same way that it's unfortunately OIV's right to enforce their own.

 

It's worth noting that EULAs can't just contain whatever terms a company wants. Local law determines what contractual terms are and are not enforceable, and it is entirely possible that that line in the EULA is unenforceable in some countries. If you want to know whether it is enforceable, consult a lawyer licensed to practice in your jurisdiction.

Just now, cp702 said:

 

It's worth noting that EULAs can't just contain whatever terms a company wants. Local law determines what contractual terms are and are not enforceable, and it is entirely possible that that line in the EULA is unenforceable in some countries. If you want to know whether it is enforceable, consult a lawyer licensed to practice in your jurisdiction.

 

I think it's common knowledge that companies can enforce that software be and remain un-modified, many just choose not to due to the sheer number of people doing it and the difficulty of locating a source -- in this case, locating a source was easy. OpenIV.

I don't like how any of this is playing out. I mean, the only thing I have heard is what GooD-NTS has said on the forum. Not to mention the quote on the grammatical errors. It's especially odd, when a PC Gaming news site picks up the story and  reaches out to GooD-NTS, Take 2, and Rockstar all for comment, and hears nothing back. How do we know this isn't some loser trying to get back at the modding community? How do we know this isn't just GooD-NTS wanting to quit working on OpenIV, but doesn't want to right out say it? For me, there isn't enough on the matter to form any feelings towards it. I'm very skeptical at the moment, and I hope more comes to light so we really know what's going on.

20 minutes ago, thecovesf said:

Let's be clear, It's not "illegal". You are not committing a crime. Ths police are not going to arrest you.

 

You are however, violating the license agreement by modifying the game. And that is up to Take2 to enforce. 

 

It would be a waste of time and money for Take2 to go after each individual who mods their game. So instead they go after the organizations, like OIV, that facilitate it on a public / large scale level.

 

 

 

I'd love to see Take2 trying to find out who has a modded game (Youtube videos aside). Good luck with your warrants to invade our privacy just to see our game files.   Even if they tried to go after modders, they don't have a case.  You can try all you want, but you cannot sue someone  (and win) who has simply modified a game for personal use.  That would get you laughed out of court in a heartbeat. Hell, the judge may even kick your ass for wasting his time with something so insignificant.  "Son, we have some of the worst offenders in history that come into this courtroom.  Are you really going to take up our time with video game modding that hurts no one?"

 

15 minutes ago, RekRam said:

Might be usefull:

 

 

 

I could be wrong, but I imagine this is only useful to those who haven't updated OpenIV.

 

9 minutes ago, thecovesf said:

Hey Take2, guess who is playing LSPDFR right this minute???

 

👺👺👺

 

Same, and I'll be playing it tomorrow, too. Hell, I think I'll play LSPDFR a lot more often now just to shit on Take2. :)

6 minutes ago, Pricefield said:

 

I think it's common knowledge that companies can enforce that software be and remain un-modified, many just choose not to due to the sheer number of people doing it and the difficulty of locating a source -- in this case, locating a source was easy. OpenIV.

 

I don't understand why they are so butthurt with people modifying the game, I love the developers at Bethesda and the devs of American Truck/Euro Truck because they don't give a fuck if you mod or not, people can actually fix bugs and make the game look better than before.

2 minutes ago, Pricefield said:

 

I think it's common knowledge that companies can enforce that software be and remain un-modified, many just choose not to due to the sheer number of people doing it and the difficulty of locating a source -- in this case, locating a source was easy. OpenIV.

 

Not necessarily. Like I said: this stuff is jurisdiction-dependent. EULAs are a type of contract called a "contract of adhesion," which are heavily disfavored in quite a number of places. Likewise, many countries have rules governing the sale of goods, rules which might plausibly prevent this sort of arrangement (at least not without more notice than a long take-it-or-leave-it contract that it is expected most people do not read).

3 minutes ago, austinblue27 said:

I don't like how any of this is playing out. I mean, the only thing I have heard is what GooD-NTS has said on the forum. Not to mention the quote on the grammatical errors. It's especially odd, when a PC Gaming news site picks up the story and  reaches out to GooD-NTS, Take 2, and Rockstar all for comment, and hears nothing back. How do we know this isn't some loser trying to get back at the modding community? How do we know this isn't just GooD-NTS wanting to quit working on OpenIV, but doesn't want to right out say it? For me, there isn't enough on the matter to form any feelings towards it. I'm very skeptical at the moment, and I hope more comes to light so we really know what's going on.

I was thinking the same exact thing. This all seems to come at a very suspicious time, with no real context to why all of a sudden this has become an issue (in terms of needing a cease and desist letter)  for Take-Two.

4 minutes ago, austinblue27 said:

I don't like how any of this is playing out. I mean, the only thing I have heard is what GooD-NTS has said on the forum. Not to mention the quote on the grammatical errors. It's especially odd, when a PC Gaming news site picks up the story and  reaches out to GooD-NTS, Take 2, and Rockstar all for comment, and hears nothing back. How do we know this isn't some loser trying to get back at the modding community? How do we know this isn't just GooD-NTS wanting to quit working on OpenIV, but doesn't want to right out say it? For me, there isn't enough on the matter to form any feelings towards it. I'm very skeptical at the moment, and I hope more comes to light so we really know what's going on.

I like your thinking.

5 minutes ago, thegreathah said:

I was thinking the same exact thing. This all seems to come at a very suspicious time, with no real context to why all of a sudden this has become an issue (in terms of needing a cease and desist letter)  for Take-Two.

 

It is sketchy, but the OpenIV team aren't nitwits.  They wouldn't be complying if they thought the cease and desist was a joke, or from some disgruntled dude.  So whoever sent it had verification of who they were and what was to happen.

Edited June 15, 20178 yr by Deputy Rourke