CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research, will attempt to smash 2 atoms together to try to recreate the 'Big Bang'. The scienetists say that black holes that may open during the expirement will help them learn more about the universe and gravity. They also said that it has the capability of opening up parallel universes and extra dimensions.

 

Article:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/large-hadron-collider-could-show-parallel-universes-exist-say-researchers-1.3006998

 

My opinion:

Honestly, I think that this is a bad idea. Although it will be interesting to see what happens, what exactly are the scientists getting themselves, and maybe even the world into? Opening up black holes and other dimensions seems kind of dangerous to conduct here on Earth. Although the article states that they will be minute, it seems like this could be dangerous. How do they know the behavior of a black hole if they've never expiremented with them before? As a Catholic, I disagree with this on a religious standpoint as well.

Edited March 27, 201511 yr by cp702
Fixed typo in title

Well, the Hadron Collider can only create black holes that last for less that a few milliseconds, and are too small to do even the tiniest amount in damage, probably even no damage, seeing that they have created black holes before smashing atoms like they do there.

You can disagree with it all you like, they've done it once already and we're all still alive.

 

Besides, no matter how dangerous you think this is, the scale of the experiment is nothing more than a grain of rice in terms of what they're making. Then the fact that the LHC is under a massive mountain.

I'd be more than happy for them to experiment with this, bring on parallel universes! I wanna practice kissing! Someone here must understand that reference

Well, the Hadron Collider can only create black holes that last for less that a few milliseconds, and are too small to do even the tiniest amount in damage, probably even no damage, seeing that they have created black holes before smashing atoms like they do there.

If I am not mistaken this is the first time humans will be experimenting with black holes. I haven't done any research, though. What other times has this occurred?

 

So that's why people are chirping about black holes in Cities: Skylines.

 

I wanna practice kissing! Someone here must understand that reference

 

I get that reference. Sadly.

Edited March 26, 201511 yr by iansonwheels

If I am not mistaken this is the first time humans will be experimenting with black holes. I haven't done any research, though. What other times has this occurred?

 

Timeline of the LHC operations since it's creation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider#Timeline_of_operations

 

Official website where you can probably get lots of juicy nerdy sciencey....stuff. For Science!

http://home.web.cern.ch/topics/large-hadron-collider

If I am not mistaken this is the first time humans will be experimenting with black holes. I haven't done any research, though. What other times has this occurred?

 

 

My bad, you are correct by saying that it is the first time it will be experimented with. But, CERN did say that "Although theory predicts that microscopic black holes decay rapidly, even hypothetical stable black holes can be shown to be harmless by studying the consequences of their production by cosmic rays." 

 

That means even if the black holes are stable inside the particle accelerator, they wouldn't be able to actually do anything. And, as LukeD says, it's inside of a mountain. :3

 

 

Also, did anyone else notice the title is "Hardon Collider"?

lol young person humor is so appropriate

Edited March 26, 201511 yr by LCPDCheese

CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research, will attempt to smash 2 atoms together to try to recreate the 'Big Bang'. The scienetists say that black holes that may open during the expirement will help them learn more about the universe and gravity. They also said that it has the capability of opening up parallel universes and extra dimensions.

 

Article:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/large-hadron-collider-could-show-parallel-universes-exist-say-researchers-1.3006998

 

My opinion:

Honestly, I think that this is a bad idea. Although it will be interesting to see what happens, what exactly are the scientists getting themselves, and maybe even the world into? Opening up black holes and other dimensions seems kind of dangerous to conduct here on Earth. Although the article states that they will be minute, it seems like this could be dangerous. How do they know the behavior of a black hole if they've never expiremented with them before? As a Catholic, I disagree with this on a religious standpoint as well.

Considering that something with as much energy as our sun cannot form a black hole when it collapses in on itself, I highly doubt the black holes will have much gravitational power, and as other people have said, they will stay open for only a fraction of a second.

 

I like the way they're trying to see the effects the gravitational pull has on the different wavelengths of light, I can't wait to hear the results of this.

You can disagree with it all you like, they've done it once already and we're all still alive.

 

Besides, no matter how dangerous you think this is, the scale of the experiment is nothing more than a grain of rice in terms of what they're making. Then the fact that the LHC is under a massive mountain.

I'd be more than happy for them to experiment with this, bring on parallel universes! I wanna practice kissing! Someone here must understand that reference

I am all for it, as long as it doesn't endanger the human species. :)

 

I know I haven't read the link, but whats a point of really making a black hole? Just wondering.

I know I haven't read the link, but whats a point of really making a black hole? Just wondering.

 

Trying to find out how the universe is working, and how the big bang happened and all that.

I entered this topic with a little trepidation, given the title.... the CERN 'Hardon' Collider.... 

Well, Although it sounds absolutely terrible, I'm sure they know exactly what they're doing and do this correctly (they know nothing, we all gunna die)


and i'm loving the title... "hardon collider"

I've entered the kinky side of lcpdfr....

This is the height of stupidity. What if something goes wrong? It has the potential to swallow up the earth.

As for the people saying its under a mountain, with all due respect, what happened to your brain? A black hole can suck it up - mountain and all - in a matter of seconds, and then move on to the rest of the earth for the main course. At least we'll have the satisfaction of knowing that they'll be the first to go, milliseconds before they go.

As for the people saying 'But they say it's safe', well, we've been told over and over again that nuclear power is safe. Look at Chernobyl. Look at Japan. It may be safe in normal operation, but when something goes wrong... Well, that's my concern with the Hadron Collider.

At least we have the small comfort that when we do get swallowed up, it'll happen so fast that we won't know anything about it.

As scary as it sounds, its impossible for black holes to sustain themselves until they get much much bigger than the earth, until that point they can't suck up anything and dissipate into energy. That's why a huge fucking star has to implode. This isn't the SyFy channel the world isn't gonna end.

This is the height of stupidity. What if something goes wrong? It has the potential to swallow up the earth.

As for the people saying its under a mountain, with all due respect, what happened to your brain? A black hole can suck it up - mountain and all - in a matter of seconds, and then move on to the rest of the earth for the main course. At least we'll have the satisfaction of knowing that they'll be the first to go, milliseconds before they go.

As for the people saying 'But they say it's safe', well, we've been told over and over again that nuclear power is safe. Look at Chernobyl. Look at Japan. It may be safe in normal operation, but when something goes wrong... Well, that's my concern with the Hadron Collider.

At least we have the small comfort that when we do get swallowed up, it'll happen so fast that we won't know anything about it.

I don't think you have the slightest idea how black holes work.

Here's the thing about a black hole: It isn't some magical suction device. It has a certain mass; outside its event horizon, it produces no stronger a gravitational force than anything else with that mass. If the Sun collapsed into a black hole, the planets' orbits would be unchanged. Thus, a miniature black hole would have no more gravitational impact than anything else of its mass, like, for instance, a typical virus (a bacteria is *way* more massive). The black holes they could create in the LHC have mass at most 5*10^-20 kg; the associated Schwarzchild radius (to first approximation, the radius of the event horizon) is 7.4*10^-47 m. While the event horizon grows as the mass increases, keep in mind that it has to absorb literally the entire planet to have an event horizon of 9mm, so it wouldn't exactly be exploding.

Here: you can read an explanation by an actual astrophysicist of just how little your scenario has to do with reality. Even if Hawking radiation doesn't dissipate the black hole, it will take trillions of years to reach a mass of one kilogram. For context, the universe has existed for ~14 billion years. There is no situation where a black hole of 5*10^-20 kg poses any sort of risk to anybody in the entire world.

I don't think you have the slightest idea how black holes work.

Here's the thing about a black hole: It isn't some magical suction device. It has a certain mass; outside its event horizon, it produces no stronger a gravitational force than anything else with that mass. If the Sun collapsed into a black hole, the planets' orbits would be unchanged. Thus, a miniature black hole would have no more gravitational impact than anything else of its mass, like, for instance, a typical virus (a bacteria is *way* more massive). The black holes they could create in the LHC have mass at most 5*10^-20 kg; the associated Schwarzchild radius (to first approximation, the radius of the event horizon) is 7.4*10^-47 m. While the event horizon grows as the mass increases, keep in mind that it has to absorb literally the entire planet to have an event horizon of 9mm, so it wouldn't exactly be exploding.

Here: you can read an explanation by an actual astrophysicist of just how little your scenario has to do with reality. Even if Hawking radiation doesn't dissipate the black hole, it will take trillions of years to reach a mass of one kilogram. For context, the universe has existed for ~14 billion years. There is no situation where a black hole of 5*10^-20 kg poses any sort of risk to anybody in the entire world.

 

You explained it very nicely (although, I'm not sure if I got all of that nerd stuff), but time and again, scientists have admitted that they were wrong about certain things and no one can guarantee the results yielded from an experiment to be always accurate, let alone the possibility of it backfiring and producing entirely different results than what was expected. Now, I'm aware that CERN nerds aren't a bunch of foolish idiots gathering together to do something they don't know about, but they don't know what the results would be. Thats the whole point of experimenting, isn't it? Don't mistake it for me advocating in the favor of they-shouldn't-be-doing-it, I'm just sharing my thoughts that we may be geniuses, but we're not know-it-alls, despite them doing it in a controlled environment.

 

Anyways, I'm not sure whether the results of this experiment would be entirely accurate as I am a believer in 'laws of physics aren't the same everywhere in the universe' theory. But kudos to the team as knowing something is certainly better than knowing nothing. I'm sure it will help change the lives of many people in way or the other, courtesy of the outcomes of this experiment, regardless of good or bad, or at the very least, teach us at least something about how our world works.

 

EDIT: Why isn't anybody talking about if it opens up the new dimensions or even a parallel universe? Man, I've dreamed about this my entire life!

Edited March 27, 201511 yr by Troy

This is the height of stupidity. What if something goes wrong? It has the potential to swallow up the earth.

As for the people saying its under a mountain, with all due respect, what happened to your brain? A black hole can suck it up - mountain and all - in a matter of seconds, and then move on to the rest of the earth for the main course. At least we'll have the satisfaction of knowing that they'll be the first to go, milliseconds before they go.

As for the people saying 'But they say it's safe', well, we've been told over and over again that nuclear power is safe. Look at Chernobyl. Look at Japan. It may be safe in normal operation, but when something goes wrong... Well, that's my concern with the Hadron Collider.

At least we have the small comfort that when we do get swallowed up, it'll happen so fast that we won't know anything about it.

The blacks hole that they want to make are like portals: We can make them, but they close instantly, there's nothing we can do do keep it open. 

 

Also, these black holes are going to be tiny, we don't have the energy to create a large enough black hole to swallow the Earth. The event horizons of CERN's black holes are at most going to be small enough to only be able to noodle effect (I wanted use spaghettification, but it wouldn't make sense :( ) a couple of quarks, bosons or leptons, nothing much more than that.

 

Regarding your point about Fukushima and Chernobyl:

Chernobyl happened because of poor maintenance and because when engineers wanted to test how long the turbines would run after a shutdown, they decided to turn off all the automatic safety features. People only died because of poor safety features and because no one was evacuated

With Fukushima, that happened because people had built some parts outside of the facility in the water. They weren't protected against the powerful Tsunami. No one has died, because they radiation wasn't strong enough. Just like what happened at Three Mile Island in the US.

 

While it's great that you're thinking about this, which is what more people need to do: We need more people to engage in science, it would be more beneficial if people did research of their own, rather than listening to a bunch of people with no science background talking as if they know everything there is to know about science on TV debates.

We can know more about the universe, and if the parallel universe do exist. This is a big step for the knowledge of the universe! I still don't know what may come up with this.