A gang in Allentown with heavy weapons such as Assault rifles is not too far stretched as Allentown is only 45 minutes outside of Philadelphia and an 1 1/2 hours away from NYC. Weapons from gangs in those cities could easily be found in Allentown. Here are some stories of heavy weapons being found in Allentown and the Lehigh Valley.

 

 http://articles.mcall.com/2013-10-20/news/mc-allentown-ak-47-police-chase-20131020_1_assault-rifle-ferrer-allentown-police

 

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/lehigh-county/index.ssf/2012/09/allentown_man_who_allegedly_us.html

 

http://articles.mcall.com/2012-11-06/news/mc-c-allentown-armed-robbery-20121106_1_shotgun-woman-monday-night-purse

 

All of these stories may not be gang related, but it does shine light on how it is getting easier to get assault rifles and other heavy weapons. A gang from Allentown may sound like a joke, but a gang in Allentown could be as deadly as a gang in NYC or Philadelphia. 

If it was 2 gang members, then uniforms could take them down easily, but if its a riot of like 10+ gang members, with heavy weapons - thats a different story. Although SWAT/SRU whatever, would be called right away, and uniforms wouldnt have much involvement. Going with not underestimating gangs, I think a good fight would be put up. I dont think there will ever be a scenario where the guard will be called, they are practically military, and I think they are considered military. They dont have time for some city stuff like that, its not there problem.. Well thats my 2 cents.

The general purpose of the National Guard is to respond to situations when the ordinary law enforcement can't keep the peace. The National Guard has been called in several times in the past. A quick example, was during the 1990's L.A. race riots, when Blacks went berserk at the beating and imprisonment of Rodney King by officers. The officers pulled him over, and literally beat him to near death on the side of the road. He was then assigned a court date in a completely different state. The officers that beat him were found guilty, and all of them quit. L.A. went berserk, and the National Guard had to be called in. About 49 people were killed during the riots as Blacks ran around beating up anyone who wasn't Black. 

 

However, getting back on topic. Today, I'm pretty sure that local law enforcement (obviously depending on the location) have the necessary tools and materials to keep the peace. It's not like these gangs have armored Bearcats', or an M1 Abrams tank, or an AH-64 Apache Helicopter like the Police could have if need be.

...L.A. race riots, when Blacks went berserk at the beating and imprisonment of Rodney King by officers....

 

Wasn't just blacks that were involved in that riot, nor were blacks the only ones that were angry about an innocent civilian getting beat, almost to death. 

Wasn't just blacks that were involved in that riot, nor were blacks the only ones that were angry about an innocent civilian getting beat, almost to death. 

Well, I never said that only Blacks were involved in the rioting. Just about every group of people were involved. Asians, Hispanics, Whites, etc. However, Blacks were the main group rioting, and the largest. Blacks also, statistically, did the most damage and stole the most property during those riots. I'm Black myself, and I completely understand the anger that those Blacks had. I don't think that beating people and trashing communities was the best thing to do, but I feel that it needed to happen.

 

Anyways, let's get back on topic. Going off course here.

Edited July 20, 201411 yr by CriminalKillaz

I believe that he was insinuating it was the African American (Afros as Mcawesome Refers His Brotherhood Too....Being legit) populations fault.

I believe that he was insinuating it was the African American (Afros as Mcawesome Refers His Brotherhood Too....Being legit) populations fault.

 

I was sensing the same vibe.

 

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Back on topic, as previously stated though I honestly think this is just a mixture of the media in search of some drama, and a gang that is just toying with LEO's . 

The general purpose of the National Guard is to respond to situations when the ordinary law enforcement can't keep the peace. The National Guard has been called in several times in the past. A quick example, was during the 1990's L.A. race riots, when Blacks went berserk at the beating and imprisonment of Rodney King by officers. The officers pulled him over, and literally beat him to near death on the side of the road. He was then assigned a court date in a completely different state. The officers that beat him were found guilty, and all of them quit. L.A. went berserk, and the National Guard had to be called in. About 49 people were killed during the riots as Blacks ran around beating up anyone who wasn't Black. 

 

However, getting back on topic. Today, I'm pretty sure that local law enforcement (obviously depending on the location) have the necessary tools and materials to keep the peace. It's not like these gangs have armored Bearcats', or an M1 Abrams tank, or an AH-64 Apache Helicopter like the Police could have if need be.

Since when do police have Apaches and tanks..they dont. Lol. And things have happened, there has been a scenario where (I think it was bank robbers?) stole an HMMWV. Its probably not rocket science to steal a bearcat. As for the guard, they are mostly involved in Iraq, and help in things like hurricane katrina. They are commanded by state and federal orders to help in disasters and similar things. They dont have much involvement in LE related things, not to mention Swat could take care of the shootout, considering there is usually up to 8 teams with around 6-8 people on each team. What you said is not the general purpose of the guard. Although how you said the guard was called in, that was a huge riot that could not be controlled by the general police. Although that is not relevant to a shootout, unlike a shootout "LA going beserk/riots" would be a large scale event going on for days.

Alot of people over estimate LEOS and underestimate criminals, they need to stop watching "COPS" and crime movies and realize that in the real world, police cant control everything.

Your not really from america but I believe your wrong. Gangs are better funded which in return they can buy better weapons

 

 

What does me not being from America have to do with any of this, anyways on topic i don't think police can be overpowered by gangs they are better equipped they have swat air support and all that ready.

If it was 2 gang members, then uniforms could take them down easily, but if its a riot of like 10+ gang members, with heavy weapons - thats a different story. Although SWAT/SRU whatever, would be called right away, and uniforms wouldnt have much involvement. Going with not underestimating gangs, I think a good fight would be put up. I dont think there will ever be a scenario where the guard will be called, they are practically military, and I think they are considered military. They dont have time for some city stuff like that, its not there problem.. Well thats my 2 cents.

 

First National Guard is Military. Secondly the reason they exists is to protect the "Nation(al)" and assist in natural disasters, etc. They can call in the National Guard if a place doesnt have SWAT or if SWAT cannot handle the situation. Albeit rare that they are called, they are there for backup if need be. So basically it would be there problem if it went high enough up the chain. Hopefully it doesnt go that far because I can see that ending badly and decreasing morale in the city.

 

I hope they do not retaliate at all, and I hope no other officers lose lives because of this. 

First National Guard is Military. Secondly the reason they exists is to protect the "Nation(al)" and assist in natural disasters, etc. They can call in the National Guard if a place doesnt have SWAT or if SWAT cannot handle the situation. Albeit rare that they are called, they are there for backup if need be. So basically it would be there problem if it went high enough up the chain. Hopefully it doesnt go that far because I can see that ending badly and decreasing morale in the city.

 

I hope they do not retaliate at all, and I hope no other officers lose lives because of this. 

I summed most of that up in my last post. And there hasnt ever been, as far as I know; a shootout where the guard needed to help LEO's. Most of swat is ex military, and I dont think a scenario where swat couldnt handle it is likely to occur. The national guard helps in events of terror, like i mentioned natural disasters such as earth quakes, hurricanes, etc. Other acts of terror could be an actual terrorism act, like a highjacked plane where people kill hostages. That sort of thing doesnt happen in gang shootouts, also considering the OP said its gang members threatening cops. Criminals always threaten people...Most of the threats are bullshit and attempts to get the media involved for publicity. Honestly, this thread has gone way to far...I mean now we're talking about the military, bearcats, and apaches. This is gang activity, that probably wont happen.

In the U.S today- in the LIBERAL U.S. today- the National Guard will NEVER be called in, unless multiple states were under attack or it was on a national scale. The last thing the world wants to see is the U.S. using the powerful military to just go in and shoot the ever living hell out of a city. It IS NOT a warzone. It's still a city/town in the United States. The highest level of response would more than likely be the FBI. The military is not Law Enforcement. When reports are written, individuals taken into custody, individuals buried, charges filed, etc, the government would be sued out of ever orifice in their body. Using the military to shoot and kill citizens of the U.S??? Bye, bye United States of America.

What does me not being from America have to do with any of this, anyways on topic i don't think police can be overpowered by gangs they are better equipped they have swat air support and all that ready.

American gangs are somewhat unqiue but as I said before some gangs are more equipped depending on the area and how much money they have. What is SWAT gonna do if a officer gets fired opon they don't just instantly get ready in 2 minutes?

In the U.S today- in the LIBERAL U.S. today- the National Guard will NEVER be called in, unless multiple states were under attack or it was on a national scale. The last thing the world wants to see is the U.S. using the powerful military to just go in and shoot the ever living hell out of a city. It IS NOT a warzone. It's still a city/town in the United States. The highest level of response would more than likely be the FBI. The military is not Law Enforcement. When reports are written, individuals taken into custody, individuals buried, charges filed, etc, the government would be sued out of ever orifice in their body. Using the military to shoot and kill citizens of the U.S??? Bye, bye United States of America.

FBI is not a special responce team. Swat can do more than the FBI, the FBI is an investigation bureau, they are armed but are not highly trained. Like you said it would need to be a national attack, an act of terror. Although contrary to what you said...You cant really sue the government..You can sue a police agency..but you cant sue the government, the government wont sue itself.

FBI is not a special responce team. Swat can do more than the FBI, the FBI is an investigation bureau, they are armed but are not highly trained. Like you said it would need to be a national attack, an act of terror. Although contrary to what you said...You cant really sue the government..You can sue a police agency..but you cant sue the government, the government wont sue itself.

The FBI has SWAT teams. They are very highly trained (one thing the feds have a lot more of than local agencies is resources).

Also, about the military: They absolutely can be called out to restore order. No, they aren't called for shootouts - a 20 person shootout will be easily contained by the hundreds of cops who arrive. But if there were an all-out breakdown in order, the military would be called out, both National Guard and federal troops (and don't bother bringing up Posse Comitatus - federal forces can be brought in to put down insurrections and restore order, and have been used for exactly that purpose in riots). Given that a gang would lose a war, they have nothing to gain from trying to start one. Wars are not good for making money, and losing them is bad all around.

FBI is not a special responce team. Swat can do more than the FBI, the FBI is an investigation bureau, they are armed but are not highly trained. Like you said it would need to be a national attack, an act of terror. Although contrary to what you said...You cant really sue the government..You can sue a police agency..but you cant sue the government, the government wont sue itself.

There are. Although probably more DHS, the the DOJ. You can sue the government. That's what's happening at the moment. Politicians are suing Obama (Congress-the government) for his asinine stance on immigration.

The FBI has SWAT teams. They are very highly trained (one thing the feds have a lot more of than local agencies is resources).

Also, about the military: They absolutely can be called out to restore order. No, they aren't called for shootouts - a 20 person shootout will be easily contained by the hundreds of cops who arrive. But if there were an all-out breakdown in order, the military would be called out, both National Guard and federal troops (and don't bother bringing up Posse Comitatus - federal forces can be brought in to put down insurrections and restore order, and have been used for exactly that purpose in riots). Given that a gang would lose a war, they have nothing to gain from trying to start one. Wars are not good for making money, and losing them is bad all around.

But it would have to be something major. Large scale. National. And I'm not saying they haven't been used before. But in today's society, it would take something major to even provoke the thought of sending the military in. There are movements to try to disarm police officers right now. When they were used to dispel riots and promote order it was a different time. And look what happens last time... It left a permanent scar on Kent State University. They shot and killed unarmed protesters.

Edited July 20, 201411 yr by Pavelow

There are. Although probably more DHS, the the DOJ. You can sue the government. That's what's happening at the moment. Politicians are suing Obama (Congress-the government) for his asinine stance on immigration.

You cannot sue the United States of America unless the United States consents to suit. There are a few exceptions where the US has agreed by statute that it can be sued, but outside of those, you cannot file a lawsuit against the federal government (this also applies to state governments, with somewhat more exceptions and the big difference that the US can sue a state). You can go for injunctions where a government policy has hurt you in particular, but that's also somewhat restricted. The United States House of Representatives is a different matter - while you have no standing to sue to get the government to enforce the law (unless the law in question specifically states that, or the law has a particularly substantial impact on you), the House of Representatives *does* generally have such standing.

But it would have to be something major. Large scale. National. And I'm not saying they haven't been used before. But in today's society, it would take something major to even provoke the thought of sending the military in. There are movements to try to disarm police officers right now. When they were used to dispel riots and promote order it was a different time. And look what happens last time... It left a permanent scar on Kent State University. They shot and killed unarmed protesters.

No, the last time wasn't Kent State. The last time federal troops (the federalized California National Guard, as well as parts of the 1st Marine Division) was the LA riots in 1992. More recently, during Hurricane Katrina, the Louisiana National Guard performed law enforcement duties. It was not a "different time". The military is absolutely sent in if nothing else will maintain order; it does not take a nationwide thing, and while it does take a decently large scale (and timeframe; it takes time to deploy troops), people in this thread are talking about an all-out war between gangs and police. If police are losing control of an area, the military would be called out. It's as simple as that.

Wasn't just blacks that were involved in that riot, nor were blacks the only ones that were angry about an innocent civilian getting beat, almost to death. 

 

You shittin me right? King was in no way innocent. He was involved in a high speed car chase with the CHP befor the LAPD catched him. He was refusing to pull over cuz he was on parole and he didin't had a license. (He said that by himself after the inncedent)  He put his life and the life of other people in danger..Rodney King was no way in hell "innocent"

 

Yes the LAPD Cops took it 2 far i agree with that. But again..it's not like King didin't do shit

The Crips have offered to help the officers.

 

 

http://www.callthecops.net/crips-gang-pledges-aid-new-jersey-police/

 

Did i read this right? a street gang/ The Crips... are helping the police?

 

Gangs are siding with the police?! Last time i checked street gangs hated police officers.. this world, still has a bit of humanity left :o

 

Did i read this right? a street gang/ The Crips... are helping the police?

 

Gangs are siding with the police?! Last time i checked street gangs hated police officers.. this world, still has a bit of humanity left :o

 

 

They still dislike them, but cops are blue and so are the crips, so there's that.

Did i read this right? a street gang/ The Crips... are helping the police?

 

Gangs are siding with the police?! Last time i checked street gangs hated police officers.. this world, still has a bit of humanity left :o

 

 

 

They still dislike them, but cops are blue and so are the crips, so there's that.

I guess you can call that situation an 'Enemy Mine' or "The enemy of my enemy must be my friend". That is my take on that.

 

Cheers.