Not in most cases as far as the United States is concerned.

Your not really from america but I believe your wrong. Gangs are better funded which in return they can buy better weapons.

Edited July 19, 201411 yr by TmBB101

What some of you are suggesting is ludicrous! 

 

I am not suggesting they (will win the war, I am just saying LEO's need to be on there A game, so we don't have another hollywood shootout scenario. Yes in the end the bad guys will die, I just hope no innocent lives get taken in the process, just like in that Florida shootout. But hey, we'll just have to wait to see what happens. I am really hoping that this will subside w/o anything happening, and that this is just a gang crying wolf .

I think it's a bad idea to take the guns away, the world is clearly a safer place with them, you know how many Bloods & Crips sets there are? probably 100's out of 50-100 strong in the US ALONE, that's not including the wannabes in Canada, it's probably 1 set pissed that they killed one of their own.

No, gangs don't have better guns than police. For one thing, police have much better access to rifles -- criminals do not, as a rule, use rifles (you can't really conceal them), and police don't have to worry about concealing their guns.

if the police force really finds themselves in a bad spot so to speak, there are a ton of extra resources they can call on.  i will be glad to hear when this pathetic gang gets whats coming to them.

No, gangs don't have better guns than police. For one thing, police have much better access to rifles -- criminals do not, as a rule, use rifles (you can't really conceal them), and police don't have to worry about concealing their guns.

I think this depends on the gang and area of which this gang operates.

I think this depends on the gang and area of which this gang operates.

 

a gang from Allentown PA is unlikely to have assault rifles etc.

a gang from Allentown PA is unlikely to have assault rifles etc.

Yes but gangs from LA, NJ, NY.... all those majors citys have a possibility of having a increase in weapons and higher grades of weapons.

if the police force really finds themselves in a bad spot so to speak, there are a ton of extra resources they can call on.  i will be glad to hear when this pathetic gang gets whats coming to them.

 

Should never underestimate a gang member, never know what they're capable of, MS-13 is one of the most feared gangs in the U.S next to Bloods & Crips, if there was an all out war between cops & gang members, lots of people are going to die IF it were to happen, both have numbers & with the addons for weapons you can get such as armour piercing ammunition, cops will get fucked up & lots won't be going home.

 

true but it is equally likely that those higher powered weapons are concentrated amongst a small group within the gang, usually their leadership.

Should never underestimate a gang member, never know what they're capable of, MS-13 is one of the most feared gangs in the U.S next to Bloods & Crips, if there was an all out war between cops & gang members, lots of people are going to die IF it were to happen, both have numbers & with the addons for weapons you can get such as armour piercing ammunition, cops will get fucked up & lots won't be going home.
 

 

im not underestimating them, im simply being realistic about the chances.  if it was a gang from a larger or more well known area i would say differently.  State officials now a days would not allow it to get it that far. nor would the feds.  they cant allow a gang to start fitting a war on the streets.

Edited July 19, 201411 yr by RagnrokRCMP

I think it's a bad idea to take the guns away, the world is clearly a safer place with them

 

I agree 110% with you man, making guns illegal isn't going to stop shit, look at the murder capital of the U.S., Chicago. They have the strictest gun laws in the U.S. and one of the highest murder rates too. It's not like the bad guys are just going to say " Oh it's illegal to use guns now, here you go " especially because the guns felons have are illegally obtained anyways. 

Yes but gangs from LA, NJ, NY.... all those majors citys have a possibility of having a increase in weapons and higher grades of weapons.

Not likely. Rifles are even worse choices there, because someone carrying a rifle on the streets of a big city is likely to be under immediate suspicion, and that's just about the worst thing for a criminal. Gangs rarely plan for actual all-out war (it's not exactly good for business), and little bits of violence are much easier with concealed pistols.

Should never underestimate a gang member, never know what they're capable of, MS-13 is one of the most feared gangs in the U.S next to Bloods & Crips, if there was an all out war between cops & gang members, lots of people are going to die IF it were to happen, both have numbers & with the addons for weapons you can get such as armour piercing ammunition, cops will get fucked up & lots won't be going home.

Most of those people would be gang members -- if there were an all-out war, you'd see the National Guard go in. Armor piercing ammunition is not widely available (it's much worse than hollowpoint against unarmored targets), and would not be a good choice for a gang member (who mostly isn't attacking heavily armored targets). Furthermore, it would be insane for the gang to do that -- you're not making any money in an all-out war, and you will not win (since if you looked like you were going to win, you'd start facing trained infantry).

I agree 110% with you man, making guns illegal isn't going to stop shit, look at the murder capital of the U.S., Chicago. They have the strictest gun laws in the U.S. and one of the highest murder rates too. It's not like the bad guys are just going to say " Oh it's illegal to use guns now, here you go " especially because the guns felons have are illegally obtained anyways. 

 

Lets refrain from have a discussion of gun laws. I am sure others would agree that this not the place.

 

Appreciated

 

PS - This is not directed solely at you.

Edited July 19, 201411 yr by RagnrokRCMP

You're worrying about this? Do you realize how many hits are out on cops RIGHT NOW? At any given time, some street trash somewhere has put a hit on cops. Hell, the cartels even have an "annual day" where they declare open season on cops. Most of the time, these thugs are smart enough to realize if they kill a cop, everyone is gonna be itching to stick the needle in his vein themselves. Only reason this is getting publicity, is because the media loves drama. 

Well i dont see how LA and NY Gangs has anything to do with it, but police officer can walk around with AR's in their hand no problems at anytime. On the other hand gangs such as the Bloods can get their hand on AK's and what ever else they need, by the way they do already have them. It is not likely to see one of them walking around in the streets with one (at least not on a NJ street) but its possible. I truly hope if someone does open fire on another brother of blue, I hope that brother and fellow brothers do shot him down like a dog. Like they say  "A hard head makes a soft ass". You cant F**K with the police ! Be safe Brothers !

You can read or watch the full story here, but a gang from Allentown, PA was found out to have put out a hit on NJ cops in retaliaton for the death of the NJ cop killer. 

 

http://www.wfmz.com/news/news-regional-lehighvalley/fbi-allentown-gang-members-put-out-hit-on-nj-cops/27015064

 

 

There's a gang in Allentown?!?! I never even knew that considering I live 30 minutes away from there.....

You guys are failing to process the amount of shootouts, terrorism, etc that has happened in the US alone in 2014. Boston Marathon, a shootout in Connecticut, and TONS of other schools shootings, all those things that 1-3 people could do. A large scale gang shootout with ex-Military criminals would end badly for everyone. Yes "GTA Style" shootouts dont occur often, but dont fail to realize that gang members are commited, and will put up a fight.

 

 

In all honesty if it were indeed a whole gang war versus any law enforcement organization, even if it was an ambush GTA style or an entire attack GTA style, all it takes is the backup call from one officer and all nearby units from even other cities respond, ESPECIALLY if it was a major GTA Style shootout and the Chief himself requested all help he could get, because first all units from the current city would respond, and if something really big then units from other nearby cities as well, then deputies, and state police, National Guard, the Feds, and if it was something really really big they could potentially send in the Army as well. Not to mention by the point it escalated that far most likely units from other cities in the state that were relatively close would lend a hand if it was like a State of Emergency type situation. So law enforcement would be fine in the end, sure they'd most likely lose a lot of officers, but also, they will have won the war in the end because in the end all members of that gang would of been taken out by the excessive police units responding to the scene. Like I said, all it takes is one backup call, then the rest is in the bag, despite the weapons and how much armor the gang has, the police would have the numbers in the end with all the additional units responding to the scene. It would be a mission success for they will have taken out an entire gang, possibly several if they were aided by other gangs, but it still would have also been a great loss in the end due to everyone that would've been killed. But yeah so easily law enforcement would win ANY war against gangs, it would be impossible for they not to with how many law enforcement organizations there are around nowadays.

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I don't think anybody here is arguing against the fact that law enforcement agencies indeed would win at the end of the day. What I think some are saying here is that they just shouldn't underestimate them neither and loosen the reins. Instead stay cautious and be prepared for retaliation. You don't want to end up being an example of the overconfidence effect.

Edited July 21, 201411 yr by cp702
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In all honesty if it were indeed a whole gang war versus any law enforcement organization, even if it was an ambush GTA style or an entire attack GTA style, all it takes is the backup call from one officer and all nearby units from even other cities respond, ESPECIALLY if it was a major GTA Style shootout and the Chief himself requested all help he could get, because first all units from the current city would respond, and if something really big then units from other nearby cities as well, then deputies, and state police, National Guard, the Feds, and if it was something really really big they could potentially send in the Army as well. Not to mention by the point it escalated that far most likely units from other cities in the state that were relatively close would lend a hand if it was like a State of Emergency type situation. So law enforcement would be fine in the end, sure they'd most likely lose a lot of officers, but also, they will have won the war in the end because in the end all members of that gang would of been taken out by the excessive police units responding to the scene. Like I said, all it takes is one backup call, then the rest is in the bag, despite the weapons and how much armor the gang has, the police would have the numbers in the end with all the additional units responding to the scene. It would be a mission success for they will have taken out an entire gang, possibly several if they were aided by other gangs, but it still would have also been a great loss in the end due to everyone that would've been killed. But yeah so easily law enforcement would win ANY war against gangs, it would be impossible for they not to with how many law enforcement organizations there are around nowadays.

Judging by what you just said, you have little to no idea how law enforcement operates, and how general LEO protocol works. Yes, local departments will respond, as for any shootout. My small town agency (In Massachusetts) responded to the school shooting in Connecticut. If there was a gang shootout with more than 5 people (Just an estimate, not an actual rule), a Response team like SRU or SWAT would be there, depending on how heavily armed they are. If there is hostages swat is immediately called out. Obviously that varies from agency to agency, but generally the way things work are similar. There is not a chance the National Guard would be called out, nor Homeland security or anything like that. They dont deal with those things. I also just noticed that you also mentioned the army? LOL. There is not a chance the army respond to a shootout with even 20 shooters. The army defends the country, they protect things that could collapse the government if not protected. Like if there was a shootout in the white house, or pentagon, although the the army wouldnt be called in first, it would be Homeland probably. Special forces would be a last resort.. The gang members dont have a high change of winning, but it is very likely lots of LEO's lifes, and civilian lifes will be lost in the process of defeating them.