Or listening to copyrighted music on semilegal services and there you can be caught for a minor crime...

Oh dear, I downloaded a James Blunt song illegally, am I going to be put on a terrorist watch list now?

You only need to worry about government surveillance if you have something to hide... so that's everyone.

Oh dear, I downloaded a James Blunt song illegally, am I going to be put on a terrorist watch list now?

No need to get smart, you're not going to be considered a terrorist by downloading an illegal song, that wouldn't make any sense. Also everyone is a terrorist according to the U.S. Government.

http://www.storyleak.com/everyone-now-terrorist-us-government/

Just something to think about.

Oh dear, I downloaded a James Blunt song illegally, am I going to be put on a terrorist watch list now?

You wouldn't steal a car, you wouldn't steal a baby, you wouldn't kill a policeman, steal his helmet, take a dump in it, send it to the policeman's grieving wife, and then steal it again!

No need to get smart, you're not going to be considered a terrorist by downloading an illegal song, that wouldn't make any sense. Also everyone is a terrorist according to the U.S. Government.

Good thing I don't live in the United States, huh?

 

Piracy is one of those crimes that nearly everyone does. You can't stop it altogether, it's almost if not impossible. Yes, you can take down the sites hosting the illegal content but they'll just pop straight back up in a mere few hours or at worst, a few days. Also, VPNs work miracles. 

Media, and Hollywood have made us paranoid as a society. This kind of surveillance has existed since the revolution. Your neighbors would spy on you if they though you were a loyalist, and would keep records of who you associated with, shopped at, traveled to, and what you may be doing in your house. That hasn't changed to this day. So yes, unless you're doing something illegal, you have nothing to worry about.

As I recall, excessive surveillance was one of the caused of the revolution. It'd be different if there was any reason to trust that the government wouldn't look at your records because, say, you publicly promote political views they don't like (if you say "I have nothing to hide," you're lying, unless (at a minimum) you have done nothing ever in your entire life for which you'd have a problem if it was plastered over national TV). There is no reason to believe that. They've repeatedly violated surveillance laws, which means it's really pretty stupid to trust that they'll start paying attention to them in the future.

To those saying "no one will have any motivation to look at your info if you haven't done anything illegal," you seem to have forgotten that there are plenty of things that might annoy law enforcement that are perfectly legal.

Certainly for UK police (and I only mean police, this doesn't include GCHQ etc) any personal information that can be seen through the PNC or force intranets can only be viewed when regarding an operation or the person is of relevance to you specifically - ie you work a beat where they are known to live. Any info that is looked at without this being the case will lead to immediate disciplinary hearings and can result in dismissal.

 

I don't know about other countries, though.

Like MANY others have said, if you haven't done anything, then you shouldn't give a **** if there looking at you. You've done nothing wrong, so just walk on, let them watch ya.

 

Also, if I have downloaded a song with Youtube to MP3, (That is VEVO) will I be banned from youtube, and be on a secret high-tech watch list?

So they drive by mosques uhh because they want to know who goes there? Why do they think muslims are terrorists lol.

It's appalling to see how many people here are actually okay with the NSA or whatever spy on you. Giving up your privacy, civil liberties and human rights all because you think that they're keeping you safe, it's sad to see that so many of you don't care and do not see the implications of this. That kind of information can be used against you to blackmail you, subdue you into submission and most importantly they're violating YOUR rights. "Those who give up essential freedom for a little temporary safety deserve neither freedom nor safety"

You wouldn't steal a car, you wouldn't steal a baby, you wouldn't kill a policeman, steal his helmet, take a dump in it, send it to the policeman's grieving wife, and then steal it again!

 

Man, these anti-piracy ads are getting really mean.

So they drive by mosques uhh because they want to know who goes there? Why do they think muslims are terrorist.

I'm a muslim I don't think police watch the mosque just because of terrorism.

 

That would be corrupt.

As I recall, excessive surveillance was one of the caused of the revolution. It'd be different if there was any reason to trust that the government wouldn't look at your records because, say, you publicly promote political views they don't like (if you say "I have nothing to hide," you're lying, unless (at a minimum) you have done nothing ever in your entire life for which you'd have a problem if it was plastered over national TV). There is no reason to believe that. They've repeatedly violated surveillance laws, which means it's really pretty stupid to trust that they'll start paying attention to them in the future.

To those saying "no one will have any motivation to look at your info if you haven't done anything illegal," you seem to have forgotten that there are plenty of things that might annoy law enforcement that are perfectly legal.

 

I don't recall that being a cause, but regardless there seems to be a common theme that I've gathered from other people I've talked to about this: As long as it's our government surveilling us for national security, we don't have a problem with it. As soon as it turns into another government or third party corporation (Something akin to the TV show Person of Interest), we go up in arms about it.

 

Now we're afforded the freedom of speech. Now I would hope that everyone on here realizes that if you publicly prompt ISIS, you're gonna land on their watchlist, which I don't have a problem with. If you support an enemy, or political belief, or any ideology that goes against the US, I believe you should be surveyed. Just like during the height of the Cold War, I don't believe any True American cared if the government kept a dossier on them, since it was for determining if you were sympathetic to the Soviets or their ideology. Simply stating, "I don't agree with Obama's policy on Immigration because xxxxxxxx" wouldn't get you landed on their radar. 

 

Although I believe we're starting blend together the Intelligence agencies surveilling us, and LEAs surveilling us. Their motivations and policies are completely different.

For those who say "if your not hiding anything, you have nothing to worry about"...I say to them; then you would have no issue with the NSA/FBI knocking at your door anytime, day or night, walking into your home and looking around then...you know, looking in your underwear draws, your closets, the fridge, and looking through your finances and medical records, take a swab of your DNA while their at it...I mean, you have nothing to hide right? "It's cooool brah...come on in... duuude, I got nothin' to hide...".

 

Foolish and glib I'd say...we here in the US have a Constitutional right and 100% expectation of privacy here in the US.  I know everywhere else in the world it's acceptable to have big brother breathing down your neck, expatriating your income, you can't go to the store without being watched the whole way...looking and examining everything you do...but not here in my country.  That's not an expectation US citizens have at all.

 

When it comes down to it, that's why our founding fathers secured our right to bear arms...it's not #2 in the Bill of Rights by accident either.

 

That's the way I see it...and the way it is.

 

DrDetroit

Edited January 4, 201511 yr by drdetroit

For those who say "if your not hiding anything, you have nothing to worry about"...I say to them; then you would have no issue with the NSA/FBI knocking at your door anytime, day or night, walking into your home and looking around then...you know, looking in your underwear draws, your closets, the fridge, and looking through your finances and medical records, take a swab of your DNA while their at it...I mean, you have nothing to hide right? "It's cooool brah...come on in... duuude, I got nothin' to hide...".

 

Foolish and glib I'd say...we here in the US have a Constitutional right and 100% expectation of privacy here in the US.  I know everywhere else in the world it's acceptable to have big brother breathing down your neck, expatriating your income, you can't go to the store without being watched the whole way...looking and examining everything you do...but not here in my country.  That's not an expectation US citizens have at all.

 

When it comes down to it, that's why our founding fathers secured our right to bear arms...it's not #2 in the Bill of Rights by accident either.

 

That's the way I see it...and the way it is.

 

DrDetroit

I will walk them in and walk them around, im not hiding shit, I have nothing to hide so. I will show them everything.

I do not have a problem with it as long as its not my personnal info, if they want to keep my criminal history (I dont have any) fine be it I understand the purpose, but if they are hacking into my email or my phone especially when I'm harmless to the public in anyway, is not ok.

I believe Benjamin Franklin sum it up best

 

 

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

 

That and Nazi Germany was born out of the Wiemar Republic which was a federal republic.  Federal republic such as the United States of America.  

 

Which brings me to my second quote

 

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

 

  I am not saying the USA will become another Nazi Germany.  But also do not full your self into thinking it could never happen.  I am sure the Germans in 1930 did not think there country would turn into the monster it did. 

Why do people always have to say "If you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to worry about"? it's not necessarily about hiding anything, it's about MY right to privacy & the freedoms I was given at birth, I don't agree with half of the things that LE are allowed to do in regards to peoples rights, but I do support the job they do, I talk to Police Officers every day at work & they are genuinely stand up guys/ women, but privacy IS my right as a Canadian citizen.

Just the way it is.

Oh man, here we go again.

I will walk them in and walk them around, im not hiding shit, I have nothing to hide so. I will show them everything.

 

 

Yea, right...I'm sure you would fella...I'm sure you would...don't forget the coffee.