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hi guys,

 

I have a suggestion that could make an arrest more realistic- when a suspect is arrested and put in a car, when you drive him to the station some text could appear- you reading the suspect his rights, e.g. 'anything you say can be used against you etc'. Text appearing over people's heads for speech already works, so it wouldn't be that hard to implement. What do you think?

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You don't have to read someone their rights if you're just arresting them.

If you're taking them to a police station to be processed and set for trial, you need to read their miranda rights. If you don't, anything the person says in interrogation is inadmissible in court.

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You don't have to read someone their rights if you're just arresting them.

 

If you're arresting somebody, unless you have special warrants, you do need to inform of them of why they're being arrested and read them their Miranda rights. 

 

If you're simply detaining them for a limited period of time, then Miranda rights do not have to be read. 

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If you're taking them to a police station to be processed and set for trial, you need to read their miranda rights. If you don't, anything the person says in interrogation is inadmissible in court.

 

Technically, you only need to read them their rights if they are being questioned, and only after being placed in custody. If you are only transporting them you don't have to, and if you haven't yet arrested them you don't have to.

 

Are you kidding me? That is the first thing you should do after cuffing them. It's mandatory, if they aren't read, then the suspect is basically free to go.

 

As I said above, they only need to be read before questioning. If they are not, it only means that anything said by the suspect after being placed in custody can't be used in court.

 

Also, people seem to think that they don't have rights unless they are read to them...also not true, you have your rights all the time.

 

Anyway, it is a good suggestion that would definitely add immersion to the game, but a minor detail.

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If you're taking them to a police station to be processed and set for trial, you need to read their miranda rights. If you don't, anything the person says in interrogation is inadmissible in court.

 

An arrest need not involve interrogation. A Miranda warning need only be read before an interrogation.

Are you kidding me? That is the first thing you should do after cuffing them. It's mandatory, if they aren't read, then the suspect is basically free to go.

This is not even remotely true. A Miranda warning reminds you of your rights in an interrogation. It's not needed for anything else -- the only relevance is an interrogation of a suspect who is not free to leave is void if you haven't read them a warning, and no information you get from that interrogation (including things you only find because of said interrogation), except for a few cases where it doesn't apply (e.g. when public safety is at risk, like "Where did you put the bomb?" -- there, you can put off giving a warning until you're less pressed for time). It doesn't apply to things that aren't evidence for a prosecution (things like name and date of birth that might appear on booking forms aren't subject to Miranda, as they aren't asked to gather evidence, they're just administrative). It doesn't apply to statements made voluntarily (if a defendant who hasn't been warned confesses on the way to the station without the police having tried to get him to do so, the confession is valid evidence). If Miranda is violated, moreover, it makes the case harder but it in no way lets the defendant walk free - any evidence not deriving from that interrogation is perfectly valid, and there's a fair chance the police don't need to interrogate the suspect at all to get a conviction (for instance, in a DUI case, the key evidence would be that they failed a field sobriety test (hence the arrest) and then a Breathalyser (hence the charge), neither of which Miranda applies to).

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All my life, i was taught a lie. Well, sh*t.

 

You're not alone.

 

A lot of people have general misconceptions about what their rights actually are and what basic police procedures are. This lack of understanding/knowledge is one of the main causes for the current increase in anti-police sentiment in the US. Sadly, more and more people seem to make up rights that don't actually exist and then spread that information as if it were factual, resulting in an exponentially increasing problem.

 

Miranda rights, the application of the 5th amendment, and the powers of a police officer during an investigation are among the main things most people in this country really don't know anything about. But they sure seem to think they do.

 

As people have said above, police officers only have to read your Miranda rights to you prior to an interrogation. They can make their case, arrest you, and send you to arraignment without the need to ask you any questions or ever read your Miranda rights to you. Despite that, most departments have a policy requiring that the Miranda warning be read during the arrest process in order to prevent any issues down the line.

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You're not alone.

 

A lot of people have general misconceptions about what their rights actually are and what basic police procedures are. This lack of understanding/knowledge is one of the main causes for the current increase in anti-police sentiment in the US. Sadly, more and more people seem to make up rights that don't actually exist and then spread that information as if it were factual, resulting in an exponentially increasing problem.

 

Miranda rights, the application of the 5th amendment, and the powers of a police officer during an investigation are among the main things most people in this country really don't know anything about. But they sure seem to think they do.

 

As people have said above, police officers only have to read your Miranda rights to you prior to an interrogation. They can make their case, arrest you, and send you to arraignment without the need to ask you any questions or ever read your Miranda rights to you. Despite that, most departments have a policy requiring that the Miranda warning be read during the arrest process in order to prevent any issues down the line.

 

 

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You're not alone.

A lot of people have general misconceptions about what their rights actually are and what basic police procedures are. This lack of understanding/knowledge is one of the main causes for the current increase in anti-police sentiment in the US. Sadly, more and more people seem to make up rights that don't actually exist and then spread that information as if it were factual, resulting in an exponentially increasing problem.

Miranda rights, the application of the 5th amendment, and the powers of a police officer during an investigation are among the main things most people in this country really don't know anything about. But they sure seem to think they do.

As people have said above, police officers only have to read your Miranda rights to you prior to an interrogation. They can make their case, arrest you, and send you to arraignment without the need to ask you any questions or ever read your Miranda rights to you. Despite that, most departments have a policy requiring that the Miranda warning be read during the arrest process in order to prevent any issues down the line.

Jhonclark, I have a question so if I wanted to learn about American law and all that good stuff, I would have to take a college class that specifically deals with that right, I'm asking this because I don't like being ignorant in cases like these.

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Jhonclark, I have a question so if I wanted to learn about American law and all that good stuff, I would have to take a college class that specifically deals with that right, I'm asking this because I don't like being ignorant in cases like these.

 

There are college courses on Constitutional Law, State specific Constitutions and statues, and law in general yes. Although, unless you're pursuing a law degree it might be impractical to enroll in these courses.

 

Most of what I learned about law is from training during my brief time volunteering with law enforcement Auxiliary and Reserve programs, and through self study. The US Constitution, State Constitutions and Statutes, case law precedent, and various interpretations can be found from reputable sources on the internet and are also public record that can be obtained from various sources.

 

I'm certainly not a lawyer, and the most I've learned about the law as from reading the actual text of the law and more specifically, the case law rulings and interpretations issued by courts. It's important to remember that the interpretation of the law is a critical factor in really understanding the law, and legal precedent is a very important thing in our justice system.

 

Cornell University in particular has a nice legal dictionary with explanations and interpretations of various things, including the US constitution: http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex

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There are college courses on Constitutional Law, State specific Constitutions and statues, and law in general yes. Although, unless you're pursuing a law degree it might be impractical to enroll in these courses.

Most of what I learned about law is from training during my brief time volunteering with law enforcement Auxiliary and Reserve programs, and through self study. The US Constitution, State Constitutions and Statutes, case law precedent, and various interpretations can be found from reputable sources on the internet and are also public record that can be obtained from various sources.

I'm certainly not a lawyer, and the most I've learned about the law as from reading the actual text of the law and more specifically, the case law rulings and interpretations issued by courts. It's important to remember that the interpretation of the law is a critical factor in really understanding the law, and legal precedent is a very important thing in our justice system.

Cornell University in particular has a nice legal dictionary with explanations and interpretations of various things, including the US constitution: http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex

Alright I get what your saying, I don't plan on becoming a lawyer so I think I'll just take a class on u.s law in general, maybe even international law, thanks.

"I'm a marked man, so I'm getting out of here"

 

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I'd note that I've always wanted to add more to the 'experience' of arresting people, but it is hard sometimes to work with the limited resources that we've got.  The closest I can think we have in terms of audio is the state trooper telling someone they have the right to shut the .. up, and well, I'm not sure the realism police would like that one!

 

The only other thing to do is actually record audio for this, and that's never going to happen unless I can track down the voice actors of GTA IV and have them do it for free, because otherwise it throws the immersion out the window.  Yes, we could do something else like a speaking animation or some text on screen or whatever, but it seems really redundant and useless anyway.  Regardless, you can already put someone in your car and then walk up to the door, press E once, and the door will open.  Then, you could maybe use another tool to get some animations (SNT comes to mind) and get your character to do an animation where they lean/chat/whatever, then close the door again when you're done.  I'm not trying to take the "oh, but you can do this yourself" approach here, I'm just pointing out that you can perhaps do so, and this is actually possibly better than a more concrete solution designed by us which may not be to everyone's taste.

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