1 minute ago, Riley24 said:

You definitely have, and thanks for that. I feel like I have too. When we first debated last year it was much less of a dialogue and more of a spitting talking points at each other (on both our parts).

 

Of course, not a problem at all. No one is perfect and we all have room to change. What makes you a "great" person (lack of a better way to say it) is when you acknowledge your imperfections and try to change for the better of everyone else and yourself.

I tried to like your post but I apparently can only give 30 likes a day, LOL.

5 minutes ago, Riley24 said:

So are you then willing to say that a few bad apples in BLM doesn't represent BLM? 

Also, the shooter wasn't a BLM activist as far as we know, so he's not even one of the said bad apples. BLM was also terrorized in this attack

BLM is a different story. This is a clear anti white anti cop group. I can say that blacks don't represent all blacks, or some whites don't represent all whites.. but a group is a whole thing which follows a set of ideas and motives. If BLM was a sub group of a larger network, then I could say that BLM does not represent the entire network.

And yes, the shooter was a BLM activist (at least thats what his FB shows).

7 minutes ago, tanu1215 said:

BLM is a different story. This is a clear anti white anti cop group. I can say that blacks don't represent all blacks, or some whites don't represent all whites.. but a group is a whole thing which follows a set of ideas and motives. If BLM was a sub group of a larger network, then I could say that BLM does not represent the entire network.

And yes, the shooter was a BLM activist (at least thats what his FB shows).

You're wrong, BLM is not an anti-cop anti-white group. There's simply no other way to put it,  you're wrong about that.

The shooter was a trained army veteran that used his military training to carry out a terrorist attack on a BLM protest against law enforcement. His terror impacted the protest as well. How can he represent a group that he terrorized and shot at? 

Also, he told police he was not affiliated with any groups

http://heavy.com/news/2016/07/micah-xavier-x-johnson-dallas-police-shooting-sniper-gunman-shooter-suspect-name-identified-photos-facebook-video/

If an NRA member shoots up an abortion clinic, does he represent the NRA? No. And even less so for BLM, because BLM does not have membership in the first place.

Edited July 8, 20169 yr by Riley24

7 minutes ago, Riley24 said:

You're wrong, BLM is not an anti-cop anti-white group. There's simply no other way to put it,  you're wrong about that.

The shooter was a trained army veteran that used his military training to carry out a terrorist attack on a BLM protest against law enforcement. His terror impacted the protest as well. How can he represent a group that he terrorized and shot at? 

Also, he told police he was not affiliated with any groups

http://heavy.com/news/2016/07/micah-xavier-x-johnson-dallas-police-shooting-sniper-gunman-shooter-suspect-name-identified-photos-facebook-video/

If an NRA member shoots up an abortion clinic, does he represent the NRA? No. And even less so for BLM, because BLM does not have membership in the first place.

He said he wanted to kill white people, specifically white cops. Doesn't sound like he was attacking the BLM protest, just the white officers.And sure, maybe he did not associate with BLM, but it doesn't change my opinion about BLM as a whole. Like I said, I get what point they're trying to make, but in my eyes, blocking bridges and freeways is a terrible way to do it.

4 minutes ago, tanu1215 said:

He said he wanted to kill white people, specifically white cops. Doesn't sound like he was attacking the BLM protest, just the white officers.And sure, maybe he did not associate with BLM, but it doesn't change my opinion about BLM as a whole. Like I said, I get what point they're trying to make, but in my eyes, blocking bridges and freeways is a terrible way to do it.

He specifically said that he was not affiliated with any groups. I forgot that BLM were murdering officers in the street in their protests, must've missed that in the news.

 

11 minutes ago, tanu1215 said:

He said he wanted to kill white people, specifically white cops. Doesn't sound like he was attacking the BLM protest, just the white officers.And sure, maybe he did not associate with BLM, but it doesn't change my opinion about BLM as a whole. Like I said, I get what point they're trying to make, but in my eyes, blocking bridges and freeways is a terrible way to do it.

A BLM protester was struck by gunfire, the police had to evacuate the protesters for their safety. His target was white officers but he terrorized the protest. Yeah, I agree that blocking freeways is a bad way to do it, but that's a completely fair and seperate point, and has nothing to do with this attack.

14 minutes ago, thegreathah said:

He specifically said that he was not affiliated with any groups. I forgot that BLM were murdering officers in the street in their protests, must've missed that in the news.

 

May not be murdering police officers.. but this is sure as hell close.

https://gyazo.com/b0c6ac4d01b74cc78dafa80b98bae450

 

 

2 minutes ago, tanu1215 said:

May not be murdering police officers.. but this is sure as hell close.

https://gyazo.com/b0c6ac4d01b74cc78dafa80b98bae450

 

 

Are you seriously comparing some thugs destroying a cruiser to people who murder police officers by ambushing them and executing them?

The car is an inanimate object, a police officer is not.

1 hour ago, tanu1215 said:

Yeah I get that. It's sad, and many BLM activists will not understand that a few bad apples does not represent the whole. No one should go around saying all cops are racists, and no one should go around saying all blacks commit crimes.

BLM are a horrible representative for the Black community, MLK would turn in his grave at what that terrorist organisation is doing 

These videos by Paul Joseph Watson covers what i'd say and as to why i believe "BLM" is a terrorists unhelpful anti-white and black organisation.

I don't support people who are on the FBI most wanted list and claim to be doing good, do you?

2 minutes ago, thegreathah said:

Are you seriously comparing some thugs destroying a cruiser to people who murder police officers by ambushing them and executing them?

The car is an inanimate object, a police officer is not.

What? My point is that BLM affiliates have been destroying our wonderful cities and disrupting society. Maybe I was not being clear. The killer's facebook page showed full support for BLM, and in my eyes, he lied about not being part of a group so BLM would not look bad. It's okay to see it in another way, but like I said a few comments up, my opinion of BLM will not change. I think they display their message in a terrible way by blocking freeways, bridges, and marching through city traffic.

2 minutes ago, tanu1215 said:

What? My point is that BLM affiliates have been destroying our wonderful cities and disrupting society. Maybe I was not being clear. The killer's facebook page showed full support for BLM, and in my eyes, he lied about not being part of a group so BLM would not look bad. It's okay to see it in another way, but like I said a few comments up, my opinion of BLM will not change. I think they display their message in a terrible way by blocking freeways, bridges, and marching through city traffic.

Let me make myself clear, I can't stand BLM, they do not represent black people very well, but you are calling them terrorists and that's not what they are, in fact the protest in Dallas was very peaceful before the shooter. Marching through traffic is one thing, murdering police officers is another.

11 minutes ago, thegreathah said:

Let me make myself clear, I can't stand BLM, they do not represent black people very well, but you are calling them terrorists and that's not what they are, in fact the protest in Dallas was very peaceful before the shooter. Marching through traffic is one thing, murdering police officers is another.

Their leader is wanted by the FBI, their activists are calling for cops to be killed, they smash up property, people affiliated to them decide that shooting cops is a good idea, that screems terrorism to me. Though it is subjective of course 

Watch the second video i listed, JSW explains it 20x better then i could ever 

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists/joanne-deborah-chesimard/view

Edited July 8, 20169 yr by officerAMR

3 minutes ago, thegreathah said:

Let me make myself clear, I can't stand BLM, they do not represent black people very well, but you are calling them terrorists and that's not what they are, in fact the protest in Dallas was very peaceful before the shooter. Marching through traffic is one thing, murdering police officers is another.

Well in my eyes, I see them as a group which spreads terror. In fact, the video by @officerAMR helps make my case. Chanting "we want dead cops" really terrifies me. The KKK terrifies me because they want white supremacy. Like I said, it's okay to see it in another light, and you're right, everything was peaceful in that march until the shooting. However, I am not just talking about that specific protest.

Take this video for example, it really shows how much of an annoyance these people are.

 

if I were one of those innocent students, I would be very terrorized, which leads me to conclude that this group are terrorists. Do they blow up buildings? No. Do they mass murder? No. But, do they instill fear in me? yes.

3 minutes ago, officerAMR said:

Their leader is wanted by the FBI, their activists are calling for cops to be killed, they smash up property, people affiliated to them decide that shooting cops is a good idea, that screems terrorism to me. Though it is subjective of course 

Watch the second video i listed, JSW explains it 20x better then i could ever 

Don't worry, I'm with you that they are too violent, I just don't think they are terrorists, like you said, it's subjective.

4 minutes ago, tanu1215 said:

Well in my eyes, I see them as a group which spreads terror. In fact, the video by @officerAMR helps make my case. Chanting "we want dead cops" really terrifies me. The KKK terrifies me because they want white supremacy. Like I said, it's okay to see it in another light, and you're right, everything was peaceful in that march until the shooting. However, I am not just talking about that specific protest.

Take this video for example, it really shows how much of an annoyance these people are.

 

if I were one of those innocent students, I would be very terrorized, which leads me to conclude that this group are terrorists. Do they blow up buildings? No. Do they mass murder? No. But, do they instill fear in me? yes.

Shouting in a library is not terrorism...

4 minutes ago, Riley24 said:

Shouting in a library is not terrorism...

They were being racially abusive to white students because they didn't buy into their shi*

Its not terrorism, but its racist as fok. If it was white people doing that they would of all been arrested 

Edited July 8, 20169 yr by officerAMR

There are problems with our judicial system that should cause concern among the citizenry. Our police force is increasingly being militarized, and given unchecked power. Policies that "declare war" on the domestic population (such as the war on drugs, crime, and even terrorism) should be met deep skepticism. Police officers, and indeed all officers of the court, should not be treated as though they are a breed above the people they are suppose to serve. We have unlimited pool of competent, dedicated above corruption and error.

This goes beyond deadly force. Minorities in the US have a legitimate reason to feel targeted by the police. Statically, they are more likely to be ticketed, searched, convicted, and given harsher sentences. This is not to say there are statistical justifications. However, we need better training, and system that gives prosecution more resources than defense. We also we to limit the power and influence of police unions.

When it comes to the Black Lives Matter Movement, while we should be concerned with officer involved shootings (of anyone), I would remind them that black-on-black crime is a major issue. We need people willing to march for better education, healthcare, and against crime. These are issues that effect us all, and benefit it everyone.

The mass murder of the police officers in Dallas was a heinous crime, perpetrated by at least one racist moron. There was no justification, and IMHO, rationale for it, beyond the need of some to kill and destroy. It left me with more concern about where we're headed.

1 minute ago, officerAMR said:

They were being racially abusive to white students because they didn't buy into their shi*

Still not terrorism.

2 minutes ago, Riley24 said:

Still not terrorism.

Yah i know, i edited, the original comment. Still its a terrorist organisation. A group which says it wants another group of people dead is in my eyes a terrorist organisation  

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists/joanne-deborah-chesimard/view

Their leader is wanted by the FBI for none other then being a filthy cop killer 

Edited July 8, 20169 yr by officerAMR

1 minute ago, officerAMR said:

Yah i know, i edited, the original comment. Still its a terrorist organisation 

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists/joanne-deborah-chesimard/view

Their leader is wanted by the FBI for none other then being a filthy cop killer 

That's not their leader.