Several incidents between policemen and black people have been reported lately.It is believed that all these incidents go back to the murder of Michael Brown in August 9 2014.From this point,several protests have been done about the rights of black people.This incident is thought to have started a 'war' between outraged black people and 'racist' policemen.

And your point is? Michael Brown played a stupid game and won a stupid prize. He stole, was a gangbanger, charged an officer... He was a criminal. Stop perpetuating this stupidity. 

Ok?

So you think kill black people unarmed by presumption is normal

So you think kill black people unarmed by presumption is normal

It doesn't matter what colour your skin is, if you charge a police officer after he's already had a violent altercation with you you're going to pay the price.

Wait, poor black people have a different experience with the justice system than average white people? I'm shocked...

Wait! I never said that Michael Brown was a saint,or that killing black men is normal! I just mentioned what happened and how this 'war' started. I have never said my personal opinion about this matter!

Wait, poor black people have a different experience with the justice system than average white people? I'm shocked...

Poor people in general have a different experience with the justice system. 

Poor people in general have a different experience with the justice system. 

True. But there's definitely a racial element to it.

Why don't they ever start a war with the real murderer of black people? Themselves.

True. But there's definitely a racial element to it.

Really depends on the area. If the poor minorities aren't solely targeted, you'll see that usually the poor whites have the same experience. In my opinion, it all originates from where a lot of the crime started/ happens. There was a tv show on national geographic called Southern Justice. I don't think I saw one black person arrested that show, but the cops were always targeting and arresting the white dealers and meth producers, because that's where most of the crime stemmed from. In cities like St.Louis, Baltimore, Detroit, LA, NY, it might be the complete opposite scenario.

Plus whites make up around 70%(I think) of cops so that racial element will always be there, whether or not it's a factor

Edited September 24, 201510 yr by BlackJesus1

Really depends on the area. If the poor minorities aren't solely targeted, you'll see that usually the poor whites have the same experience. In my opinion, it all originates from where a lot of the crime started/ happens. There was a tv show on national geographic called Southern Justice. I don't think I saw one black person arrested that show, but the cops were always targeting and arresting the white dealers and meth producers, because that's where most of the crime stemmed from. In cities like St.Louis, Baltimore, Detroit, LA, NY, it might be the complete opposite scenario.

Plus whites make up around 70%(I think) of cops so that racial element will always be there, whether or not it's a factor

Just going by nationwide drug arrest statistics and things like stop and frisk, its obvious that race plays a significant factor. Its not even a debate worth having really, its in the numbers. I guess the next question should be "why" or "what can we do about it".

Why don't they ever start a war with the real murderer of black people? Themselves.

One of my favorite Bill O'Reilly talking points. Right up there with "the breakdown of the family" and "where are the fathers?". It seems that the concerns from conservatives about "black on black crime" fades away as soon as there's a lull between killings of unarmed black people by police officers. Hmmm...why could that be?

I've seen places like Reddit blow the problem way out of proportion, thanks to highly misleading headlines and news articles that only report the information that fits the narrative engineered to obtain the most clicks.

I've seen places like Reddit blow the problem way out of proportion, thanks to highly misleading headlines and news articles that only report the information that fits the narrative engineered to obtain the most clicks.

That's usually the case with most media coverage though, sadly. News doesn't cover anything remotely positive because positive doesn't render the sort of "outcry" promotional propaganda that you would expect to see from a thug being gunned down by Officers. Right now the headlines and the controversy lies with that of a race war with cops' which that, above all else, is a higher view and click count than let's say, a Firefighter rescuing a puppy from a burning house. 

 

That and the fact that Media outlets know that they can use the race card to their advantage. Some time ago I read up on some site not even related to News reporting a white man beaten to near death and then ran over with his own car at a Gas Station by 4 Black male's. That wasn't covered by any of the "major" news stations, nor was there any Rioting following it thereafter either. He died of his injuries at the Hospital later on by the way...........

Wait! I never said that Michael Brown was a saint,or that killing black men is normal! I just mentioned what happened and how this 'war' started. I have never said my personal opinion about this matter!

Then why exactly are you bringing this up? You still haven't posted your stance. That's like me going into some political forum and starting a thread saying:

"There have been a lot of fights between Jews in Israel and Muslims in the rest of the middle east. The middle east hates America and it is thought there will be a war on Islam or Judaism."

And then just leaving. Thanks for summarizing the news networks over the past year. Anything you'd like to add or can we stop beating this dead horse now?

 

Just going by nationwide drug arrest statistics and things like stop and frisk, its obvious that race plays a significant factor.

Unfortunately if you want to play the statistics game with race, it goes both ways. According to a study done by a major news network (you can go Google it yourself, it's 1am and I'm not going to dig it up); young African American males are twice as likely to commit a murder than their Caucasian counterparts. They also tend to live in poorer neighborhoods that are near schools that sometimes have lower educational standards. Those are facts;  you can correlate those however you like, if at all. I happen to attend college in one of the worst cities for heroin trafficking in the United States and it's predominantly Hispanic (87%+, mostly Dominican, some Puerto Rican). Oddly enough, despite the fact that all or nearly all of the dealers are Hispanic, a large amount of the addicts who commit crimes to get money to ensure they get their heroin fix for the day; are Caucasian. Moreover; the school I go to, as a result of its location, is majority Hispanic, but I'd be willing to lay down money on the table on a bet that none of the people sitting in my classes are selling or buying smack on the streets when class is over. I think it's the town itself that's poisonous, not necessarily the individuals. But these residents are caught in a vicious cycle because of it. The town produces bad people, who continue to populate it with more bad people. The only way to improve it is with good police work and the introduction of good citizens to the area to push out the bad ones.

Edited September 26, 201510 yr by unr3al

Why do we even feel the need to define by race ? I can see that obviously more whites were shot by officers than blacks. What I want to know is how many were justified shootings because my guess would be nearly all of them so why not add all of the numbers together and label this chart the "Idiots shot by officers because they were breaking the law" ?

If you're not committing a crime, your chance of being shot by a POLICE OFFICER goes down to 0% ! Ever think about those statistics ? Police will not shoot you just because they are bored, use your heads ; that's the LUMP 3 feet above your ASS ! And your comment sounds as racist as their accusations.

 

Edited September 26, 201510 yr by GravelRoadCop

Why do we even feel the need to define by race ?

Because it's a convenient go-to for people who don't have a better argument.
 

I can see that obviously more whites were shot by officers than blacks.

That doesn't really factor in the other "unreported race" figure, but I agree that the general feeling among the civilian population vs. what the actual figures are is way off.
 

What I want to know is how many were justified shootings because my guess would be nearly all of them so why not add all of the numbers together and label this chart the "Idiots shot by officers because they were breaking the law" ?

Breaking the law doesn't always warrant immediate force. As seen in the video below.

https://youtu.be/F3dxbwd60rI?t=1m49s

Or this one.

https://youtu.be/8tgZMTO7bvg?t=12s

Or this one.

https://youtu.be/ZjVaqL1IcB0?t=31s

I can go on and on. Let me make something perfectly clear: I'm a big supporter of the police. There's a reason I'm registered on this forum, there's a reason I play this mod, and there's a reason I'm on the testing team. It's because I have passion for civil service. But behind every badge, there is a human being. Human beings can be good, or bad. And you can't weed out every bad cop, or somehow mitigate every bad decision an otherwise good cop might make. You can indeed be shot or arrested for doing absolutely nothing that would merit lethal force. Two of the most obvious cases in point:

https://youtu.be/1O3wsLKL-oU?t=16s

https://youtu.be/vSZnf9ypD-o?t=13s

The cop in the first video plants a taser on the suspect after shooting him in the back eight times. The cop in the second video empties half a clip at someone for getting their drivers license out when asked. I suspect the 2nd one had PTSD from a previous shooting that was justified, and the first one I can't make any excuses for. That was a murder and a cover-up.

If my comment about race statistics in response to someone else's accusation of police white preference hurts you personally in some way, then you're not old enough to have a conversation about grown up issues. You're right on the border of an ad hominem comment with that last post too, as I resent your insinuation that I'm somehow being racist despite my avid defense of the minorities I attend school with every day. Act like an adult, and argue the point, not your feelings. Don't get personal, because it doesn't win debates, and it doesn't feel very good, does it?

Edited September 26, 201510 yr by unr3al

Because it's a convenient go-to for people who don't have a better argument. 

That doesn't really factor in the other "unreported race" figure, but I agree that the general feeling among the civilian population vs. what the actual figures are is way off. 

Breaking the law doesn't always warrant immediate force. As seen in the video below.
https://youtu.be/F3dxbwd60rI?t=1m49s

Or this one.

https://youtu.be/8tgZMTO7bvg?t=12s

Or this one.

https://youtu.be/ZjVaqL1IcB0?t=31s

I can go on and on. Let me make something perfectly clear: I'm a big supporter of the police. There's a reason I'm registered on this forum, there's a reason I play this mod, and there's a reason I'm on the testing team. It's because I have passion for civil service. But behind every badge, there is a human being. Human beings can be good, or bad. And you can't weed out every bad cop, or somehow mitigate every bad decision an otherwise good cop might make. You can indeed be shot or arrested for doing absolutely nothing that would merit lethal force. Two of the most obvious cases in point:

https://youtu.be/1O3wsLKL-oU?t=16s

https://youtu.be/vSZnf9ypD-o?t=13s

The cop in the first video plants a taser on the suspect after shooting him in the back eight times. The cop in the second video empties half a clip at someone for getting their drivers license out when asked. I suspect the 2nd one had PTSD from a previous shooting that was justified, and the first one I can't make any excuses for. That was a murder and a cover-up.

If my comment about race statistics in response to someone else's accusation of police white preference hurts you personally in some way, then you're not old enough to have a conversation about grown up issues. You're right on the border of an ad hominem comment with that last post too, as I resent your insinuation that I'm somehow being racist despite my avid defense of the minorities I attend school with every day. Act like an adult, and argue the point, not your feelings. Don't get personal, because it doesn't win debates, and it doesn't feel very good, does it?

First of all, none of my comments was directed at you. I did not quote you or make any remarks about you. So I don't know why you gotta white knuckle about me. 

Moreover, thank you kindly for the unsolicited advice. I didn’t realize you were an expert of my life and how I should live it! Continue while I take notes.

Edited September 26, 201510 yr by GravelRoadCop

If you want to talk to somebody other than the last poster; use the 'Quote' button. Otherwise it's presumed you're replying to the last post. Nobody here's telling you how to live your life, but what I am telling you is that you need to avoid attacking people, anyone, from a personal standpoint. Attack their argument and dissect it if you want. I still stand by my point that lethal force by police isn't as black and white as you paint it, where "good guys don't get shot". They do. Even by accident, come to think of it. Just ask the COPS staff. They lost a boom mic operator about two years ago because by some borderline otherworldly event; a police officer shot him to death during a shootout with some other guy at a burger restaurant. A lot of these shootings are justified, I won't argue with you about Ferguson or that university cop shooting the black dude in the car for trying to drive off while he had his arm caught in the door. But there are factors beyond "bad" or "good" involved in a lot of these.

I think people who are both anti-police and pro-police would do some good for everyone by listening to somebody independent spit-balling on what it's like to be a cop in America. I found a video a while ago with author and neuro-scientist Sam Harris and TV & MMA personality Joe Rogan discussing use of force by police and their day to day job.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkhXxGHeMOA

It doesn't matter what colour your skin is, if you charge a police officer after he's already had a violent altercation with you you're going to pay the price.

This. Thank you.