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What do you think about third-world countries? I just want to know your opinions, I think most third-world countries have enough resources to cater themselves, but their goverments do not exploit them to the maximum/top, or do not even exploit them.

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(Please note that when i say "Africa" in the following post i only use that country symbolic for all the other third-world countrys. It's just the first country that comes to my mind when thinking about that topic)

 

Good Topic. The first thing that comes to my mind when i hear something like Africa is..Where did all that money go? People are donating to Africa for how long now? 30 Years? We got TV Shows in which rich celebs donate millions if not billions of Dollors + Private People donating. And YET..Africa is still poor. The place should have golden toilets by now. With all that donated money. Where the hell did all that money went into? I'm pretty sure most of it went into the pockets of warlords and politicians. Thats the only way to explain the "Africa Situation". You can't tell me it costs a million bucks to build a School there. It's not like they use High-End building materials for the buildings. So what the hell happend ? Still not enough Schools, still not enough clean water, still not enough Doctors and Hospitals...But at the same time we donated billions of Dollars over the last 30 Years..so where the hell is that money?

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Africa is a continent, not a country.

 

There are many countries in Africa, with various levels of prosperity and development. You can't say that all of the Africa is the same - South Africa is way wealthier than, let's say, Congo. Also, the North African countries are way different than Central/West/East ones.

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What do you think about third-world countries? I just want to know your opinions, I think most third-world countries have enough resources to cater themselves, but their goverments do not exploit them to the maximum/top, or do not even exploit them. I heard many people from first-world countries knows the third-world as "third-world shitholes" (e.j. many Americans see everyone who speak Spanish as Mexicans) So, what are your opinions? Sorry If I posted this in the wrong forum.

You're risking starting a huge flame war making a topic like this, but I think you already know that. Also, Americans who think people who speak Spanish must be Mexican has nothing to do with third world countries, nor is that how a majority of people I know think. So I'd cut that sh*t out before you even start, seeing as you don't even live in America. And yes, this is the wrong forum. This should be in Politics & Current Events & Society. Whether the moderators are going to move it there or not is another story.

What do I think about third world countries? Well, first lets get a clear definition on what third world actually means. It actually means countries that are not aligned with NATO or the former Soviet Union & China. So actually, the country you're from is a third world country. However, the slang definition most people around the globe use when they say 'third world' is a country that has no money and have citizens that live in poor conditions (bad or no medical care, impoverished families, diseases, civil wars, corrupt police). There are lots of them around the world. In that sense, is your country a third world country? I can't say. I don't know enough about the economy or politics of the South American countries, but I know a lot of them would be considered to be a 'third world country' under the slang definition people use today. You can probably tell us better than anyone what the conditions in Argentina are like.

As far as the U.S.'s policies in dealing with third world countries; I'm tired of our government donating money to them since as mentioned above, it seems to go to waste when it could be better used locally. But it's probably a strategy to keep their problems over there instead of bringing them to our shores in the form of a war or something else. We already have third world country citizens bringing their problems over to our country in the form of diseases like Ebola or through domestic terrorism. I wish the world could be a peaceful place, but it can't, apparently.

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That is such a broad question. Do you want me to give you my opinion on each country? It is impossible to give an opinion on such a broad range of countries because each one is different and the reason for their current situation is varies from each country. Not to mention the fact that what unr3al said is true; third world technically refers to countries that were not aligned with NATO (first world) or the Communist Bloc (second world) countries and while most of these countries were poor (that is where the stereotype came from) not all of them were.

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To be completely honest all third world countries were doing really well 100's of years ago. It was only until the European Empires wen't and enslaved the strongest people in these countries and left them with the ill and the weak that problems for these countries started. (we also gave the ill and weak more diseases when the empires went there making it even worse). Furthermore I think that we just need to leave them alone (I'm NOT talking about charities here they are important) as we start 'Wars on terror', did you know that the people of Iraq had a higher life expectancy BEFORE the fall of saddam Hussien but had more wealth AFTER he fell. This may show that Western culture is all about money. As for development in these countries it's simple. Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day, Teach a man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime. 

 

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To be completely honest all third world countries were doing really well 100's of years ago. It was only until the European Empires wen't and enslaved the strongest people in these countries and left them with the ill and the weak that problems for these countries started. (we also gave the ill and weak more diseases when the empires went there making it even worse). Furthermore I think that we just need to leave them alone (I'm NOT talking about charities here they are important) as we start 'Wars on terror', did you know that the people of Iraq had a higher life expectancy BEFORE the fall of saddam Hussien but had more wealth AFTER he fell. This may show that Western culture is all about money. As for development in these countries it's simple. Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day, Teach a man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime. 

 

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Yeah your life expectancy is going to go down when your country is the site of a major war. I'm pretty sure the life expectancy for people in France went down during WWII too.

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One day, I happened to be talking to a priest, from the Philippines, and something he said sticks with me to this day.

 

"You are of no help to other people if you cannot help people in your own community." 

 

That struck me seeing as he's from the Philippines, a poor country, and him saying that we need to help ourselves before we can help anyone else. I always cringe when I see the those commercials set to pathetic music showing these starving kids in Africa/ Philippines/ Honduras/ect and I wonder why they don't show the starving kid living in Chicago. Or the family that is sick and malnourished living in Mississippi. If we can't even help our own here, then how can we expect to help anyone else in the world?

 

That example can be said about any well-to-do country. 

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Yeah your life expectancy is going to go down when your country is the site of a major war. I'm pretty sure the life expectancy for people in France went down during WWII too.

Yeah but i'm talking years after the Iraq war.

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Yeah but i'm talking years after the Iraq war.

Years? It has only been three years since we left Iraq. So you are saying life expectancy went down in the past three years? That is not true, as a matter of fact the life expectancy has been slowly increasing in Iraq since 2006. It is increasing very slowly but it is increasing.

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Most third world countries are only suffering because of what the Europeans did to them centuries ago.

 

Also, I really hate it when people make statements about Africa as a whole. Africa is an entire continent, you can't just say something about Africa and it apply to every part of Africa. Africa is completely underrated, and people think it's much worse than it actually is. While there is suffering in certain remote parts of Africa, there's prosperity and development in others. There are countries such as Zimbabwe and Botswana that are going through some severe racism against the White minorities, but the majority of Africa isn't the hellhole that people think it is.

 

The question is too broad for me to really have a well thought opinion.

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Most third world countries are only suffering because of what the Europeans did to them centuries ago.

 

Also, I really hate it when people make statements about Africa as a whole. Africa is an entire continent, you can't just say something about Africa and it apply to every part of Africa. Africa is completely underrated, and people think it's much worse than it actually is. While there is suffering in certain remote parts of Africa, there's prosperity and development in others. There are countries such as Zimbabwe and Botswana that are going through some severe racism against the White minorities, but the majority of Africa isn't the hellhole that people think it is.

 

The question is too broad for me to really have a well thought opinion.

 

 

Actually, the majority of it is as a whole. Yeah there are maybe very very few countries that aren't, but the majority of the continent is ravished by war, famine, disease (malaria, HIV/AIDS, Ebola, etc), racism. Hell, I don't know who's more civilized, ISIS or the rebels and guerrillas in Africa. 

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As others have said this question is too broad for me to have an opinion on this, also I just hate those commercials that show poor children in Egypt or Niger, before we can help those people we have to help that poor homeless kid in California or something like that.

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Actually, the majority of it is as a whole. Yeah there are maybe very very few countries that aren't, but the majority of the continent is ravished by war, famine, disease (malaria, HIV/AIDS, Ebola, etc), racism. Hell, I don't know who's more civilized, ISIS or the rebels and guerrillas in Africa. 

While this is true, the people aren't just sitting there suffering as it may seem on TV. They still live their own lives as if everything was perfectly fine, because it's what they're used to. One meal a day is alright to them. Sort of how in America we have obesity, in parts of Africa they have malnourishment. When people in America are fat, I doubt that they just sit there and be fat all day. They go to work, they go to school, they pay the bills, they do what they have to do to survive. It's the same way in Africa, and they didn't bring this suffering upon themselves. The Europeans caused this suffering centuries ago. The Europeans formed borders and countries that were designed to keep them in control. Now the native Africans are fighting each other over resources, as one country is straight desert land, while the neighboring country is full of valuable resources.

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While this is true, the people aren't just sitting there suffering as it may seem on TV. They still live their own lives as if everything was perfectly fine, because it's what they're used to. One meal a day is alright to them. Sort of how in America we have obesity, in parts of Africa they have malnourishment. When people in America are fat, I doubt that they just sit there and be fat all day. They go to work, they go to school, they pay the bills, they do what they have to do to survive. It's the same way in Africa, and they didn't bring this suffering upon themselves. The Europeans caused this suffering centuries ago. The Europeans formed borders and countries that were designed to keep them in control. Now the native Africans are fighting each other over resources, as one country is straight desert land, while the neighboring country is full of valuable resources.

 

So it sounds like you are you justifying their suffering as "they're used to it"? Scientifcally and medically it's proven that one meal a day is NOT healthy (but neither is 6 meals a day. Personally I'd rather be obese than malnourished, but that's my opinion). And the native africans aren't fighting over resources. They use that as a justification of war, but it's basically one big Somalia. A bunch of tribes and warlords fighting for themselves. Fighting for resources doesn't require child soldiering, raping 8 year old girls, and enslaving tribes. 

 

As cynical as it sounds, Africa is a forsaken continent. They need help, but there's no peaceful solution.

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So it sounds like you are you justifying their suffering as "they're used to it"? Scientifcally and medically it's proven that one meal a day is NOT healthy (but neither is 6 meals a day. Personally I'd rather be obese than malnourished, but that's my opinion). And the native africans aren't fighting over resources. They use that as a justification of war, but it's basically one big Somalia. A bunch of tribes and warlords fighting for themselves. Fighting for resources doesn't require child soldiering, raping 8 year old girls, and enslaving tribes. 

 

As cynical as it sounds, Africa is a forsaken continent. They need help, but there's no peaceful solution.

And this all leads down to what the Europeans did centuries ago. The Child soldiering is used as a tactic against their enemies. They would expect their enemy to show hardship in killing children. Children being raped happens on every continent, not just Africa. The difference between a raping a child in North America and Africa, is that you're more likely to get away with it in Africa, than America. Law enforcement plays such a tiny role in most of Africa, that it encourages people to do whatever the hell they please without any repercussions. I can rob someone, rape their girl, and make their child my personal soldier and face no consequences whatsoever.

 

This is the mindset that people have in parts of Africa. Someone can murder someone else, and face no consequences. The body would just lay there in the middle of the road. All of the killing and fighting going on in Africa in my opinion, is just crime on a massive, unattended scale. These criminal empires started small during the times of European colonization, and grew to be the Warlords we know of today. It would take a massive resistance to end the violence in Africa. Ending the violence, would end 50% of Africa's problems, and make it easier to solve the others. I know someone from Ghana, and they agree that most of the fighting in Africa, is over resources, despite what Western media tells us. She says that some countries have nothing but sand, while other countries have clean drinking water and animals as food. One poor nation, fights another poor nation in order to get it's resources. Chad for example, is smack in the middle of the Sahara Desert. There are absolutely no resources in the Sahara. But then look at neighboring Nigeria, where they have iPhone's. It's an imbalance of natural resources and land, causing the suffering and war.

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And this all leads down to what the Europeans did centuries ago. The Child soldiering is used as a tactic against their enemies. They would expect their enemy to show hardship in killing children. Children being raped happens on every continent, not just Africa. The difference between a raping a child in North America and Africa, is that you're more likely to get away with it in Africa, than America. Law enforcement plays such a tiny role in most of Africa, that it encourages people to do whatever the hell they please without any repercussions. I can rob someone, rape their girl, and make their child my personal soldier and face no consequences whatsoever.

 

This is the mindset that people have in parts of Africa. Someone can murder someone else, and face no consequences. The body would just lay there in the middle of the road. All of the killing and fighting going on in Africa in my opinion, is just crime on a massive, unattended scale. These criminal empires started small during the times of European colonization, and grew to be the Warlords we know of today. It would take a massive resistance to end the violence in Africa. Ending the violence, would end 50% of Africa's problems, and make it easier to solve the others. I know someone from Ghana, and they agree that most of the fighting in Africa, is over resources, despite what Western media tells us. She says that some countries have nothing but sand, while other countries have clean drinking water and animals as food. One poor nation, fights another poor nation in order to get it's resources. Chad for example, is smack in the middle of the Sahara Desert. There are absolutely no resources in the Sahara. But then look at neighboring Nigeria, where they have iPhone's. It's an imbalance of natural resources and land, causing the suffering and war.

These aren't just crimes. They're war crimes. You say they're fighting for resources and to improve their way of life. Where does raping rival entire villages daughters improve their life? Where does kidnapping all their rival kids improve their life? To compare that to America; US soldiers aren't raping Afghani women on a mass scale, kidnapping their children to fight for them. I see your point, but if their justification is fighting for food and resources, where do heinous warcrimes fit in to their scheme?

 

It's like the islamic extremists. They say they're fighting against the West and for Islam because the West is supposedly killing their citizens.. Yet you go on sites like LiveLeak and all the videos are of the terrorists killing their own. The West isn't the one killing their citizens; they're killing them with executions, suicide bombing, and beheadings, yet the western news outlets don't cover them.

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These aren't just crimes. They're war crimes. You say they're fighting for resources and to improve their way of life. Where does raping rival entire villages daughters improve their life? Where does kidnapping all their rival kids improve their life? To compare that to America; US soldiers aren't raping Afghani women on a mass scale, kidnapping their children to fight for them. I see your point, but if their justification is fighting for food and resources, where do heinous warcrimes fit in to their scheme?

 

It's like the islamic extremists. They say they're fighting against the West and for Islam because the West is supposedly killing their citizens.. Yet you go on sites like LiveLeak and all the videos are of the terrorists killing their own. The West isn't the one killing their citizens; they're killing them with executions, suicide bombing, and beheadings, yet the western news outlets don't cover them.

I'm not saying that you're wrong at all, I agree with every single thing you've said thus far. As long as you can see the small point that I'm trying to make, then I am happy. Like I said, I agree with you 100%. 

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(Sidenote: I'm replying like this because for some reason, I can't use the "MultiQuote" feature)

 

Yard1: I know Africa is not a continent, but most of it is considered a part of the third world. You should take a look at this map:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_World#mediaviewer/File:Cold_War_alliances-mid-1975.svg

 

unre3al: First, don't be disrespectful to me, I'm not being disrespectful to you, the example was meant to show how some people from a first-world country like the United States, can be racist with people from a third-world country like Mexico, don't take that as an offense. The term "third-world" today, though less used, is used to denote either a developing country, or a poor country. I can, Argentina was going to become a first-world country during the 40's, but a coup took us that opportunity away, then, on the 1970's, again, the same history. Interestingly, most interventions in Latin America, after Independence wars, were caused by the United States, starting in the 1800's, and finishing in the 1980's, here in South America, your politicians were the responsibles of many deaths and coups, your current politicians must help us, because the damage caused by your country is actually nothing compared to your actual help to our sub-continent, nor to Central America. Today, we are still better than most South and Central American countries, yet, we're considered a "third-world country"

 

I3ubba: No, I don't want your opinions of every third-world country in the World, and I know the situation in most third-world countries are different to each from each other

 

CriminalKillaz: But tell me, do you live in Africa to take such a conclusion? Why is Africa considered the poorest continent in the world then? Most of Africa is considered the third world, the only countries which are way healthier than most of Africa are South Africa and Egypt, but the rest of the countries in the continent are sadly, poor, and most people in Africa live in the worst conditions, an example is Mali, no roads, low life expetancy, and one of the poorest countries in Africa.

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Frankly speaking, the issues in many African regions may never be solved. It may be hard for most Americans to imagine, but I have seen it, and just try to give it a thought- there's absolutely no consequences for these war crimes, warlords and PMCs can get away with anything. Whats the solution? The one plausible thing is the people stand back up and fight. Which obviously isn't happening because the regional food and water supply is controlled by the same warlords. They can end anyone's life whenever they want so people's key of survival, the.. uh... how do you say it, the sole key for that "revolution" that I'm talking about is taken away by these warlords, not allowing it to happen. In some parts, even the policemen are corrupt and they are in the police just as a formality, otherwise they do freelancing for the warlord's hired PMC.

 

Think. When almost EVERYONE, even the people who are supposed to protect you are involved in oppressing you, how are you supposed to break free? Like I said, when even the basic commodities which are crucial for the survival of people are controlled by the warlords, there is no option for the people. Its like a stonewall, all doors closed, no escape routes. Imagine their desperation as even if they want to fight, they can't, and they are forced to live in that hellhole. Most of us first-world country citizens take all that freedom and joyful living for granted. This seems like a loophole to me. It'll be exploited over and over by the warlords for their personal gains which will prevent democracy, peace, hygiene and human rights to settle there. No wonder most oppressed Africans I met were atheists. God exists solely for those who live in either first-world or second-world countries. But thats for another topic.

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