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Russian troops in Crimea

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http://edition.cnn.com/2014/02/28/world/europe/ukraine-politics/index.html?hpt=wo_c1

Armed men at airports

Back in Kiev, Andrii Parubii, chief of national security and defense, said Ukrainian military and police forces had stopped Russian military forces from seizing two airports in the Crimean region.

The Russian military is on the outside of both airports, Parubii said in a televised news conference from the Ukrainian parliament.

Weapons were not used during the operation, according to Avakov, the interior minister.

Russian armored vehicles were moving toward Simferopol, the regional capital, on Friday, the Ukrainian news outlet TSN reported.

Men in military uniforms had been seen patrolling the airport in Simferopol, as well as a military and civilian airbase in nearby Sevastopol since early Friday.

Avakov said the armed men at the Sevastopol air base were troops from Russia's Black Sea Fleet, stationed in the port city. They were in camouflage uniforms without military insignia, he said.

The presence of the armed men has not affected the Simferopol airport, civil aviation authorities said.

"We are checking to make sure that no radicals come to Crimea from Kiev, from the Ukraine," said one man outside the airport, who didn't give his name. "We don't want radicals, we don't want fascism, we don't want problems."

Other men outside the airport, dressed in black rather than military fatigues, said they belonged to the pro-Russia Unity Party and had come on the orders of the new Crimean administration -- voted in Thursday after armed men seized regional government buildings.

Concerned about the latest developments, Ukraine's parliament passed a resolution Friday that demanded Russia halt any activity that can be interpreted as an attack on its sovereignty.

Moscow alarmed some observers by announcing the surprise military exercises Wednesday in its western and central areas, near the Ukraine border.

Meanwhile, Ukraine's largest telecom firm was unable to provide data and voice connectivity between Crimea and the rest of Ukraine because unknown people had seized telecommunications nodes and destroyed cables, it said Friday. There is almost no phone connectivity or Internet service across Crimea, said Ukrtelecom, which is the only landline provider.

What do you think guys? Could this be a begging of a new international conflict?

The Crimeran Prime Minister and the Russian Black Sea Fleet have confirmed that some of the armed men protecting government buildings are Russian Sailors from Russian Black Sea Fleet stationed in a major Crimeran port, Sevastopol.

Of course anybody can see that the rest of the gunmen (not bearing any distinctions at all) are Russian soldiers.

More:

BBC - http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26397323

RIA Novosti (Russian news agency) http://en.ria.ru/world/20140301/187992857/Crimean-Leader-Appeals-to-Putin-for-Help.html

Interfax (Ukrainian news agency) http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/193535.html

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  • How I see it, is that Hitler saw a chance to nab ethnically German Sudetenland from a weakened Czechoslovakian government, and he just used the "the Germans are being persecuted" claim as a pretext to

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoney_War   Suuuure.

  • No, you're wrong. Only in Crimea there are more Russians than Ukrainians and there are very few Ukrainians who support Russian invasion and ripping their country apart.    BTW, The Russian Federatio

There are several friends of mine there - one in Kiev, two in Eastern Ukraine, one in Sevastopol, and they keep me updated on the situation. My guess that no war conflict is going to happen. The new Ukraine government is too weak - they've just pissed off the cops by dissolving Berkut squad, Ukraine Armed Forces can't withstand the russian Army in case of a long-term conflict, and of course no members of NATO gonna interfere there. 

 

So my guess is that, since on the 30th of March in Crimea is scheduled a referendum, they will ask Russia to accept Crimea in the country. Russia agrees, Crimea leaves Ukraine, finita. 

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I think this is a time for everyone to be extra careful who live in those parts. I'll certainly follow these news everyday from now on. Not sure what could happen, or what either country is planning. 

Invenio, Investigatio, Imperium

I don't blame Russia for getting involved. It's a complete mess and disgrace what's going on over there right now.

Are you calling the people's displeasure with corrupt Russian-controlled President a disgrace? Anyway Ukraine is a sovereign state and it's not Russian business what goes on where until it threatens its security. 

As I said on your status, the US will have to intervene (thus starting a battle, p) as they made a promise to protect Ukraine from invasion to get them to give up their nukes (of which there were 2,300 I think). If the US decides to not do anything, they'll have trouble getting other countries to give up their nukes in the future. A similar event also forced Britain into going to war in the WWII, with consequences still present today. Basically what I'm trying to say is we're all f*cked.

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As I said on your status, the US will have to intervene (thus starting a battle, p) as they made a promise to protect Ukraine from invasion to get them to give up their nukes (of which there were 2,300 I think). If the US decides to not do anything, they'll have trouble getting other countries to give up their nukes in the future. A similar event also forced Britain into going to war in the WWII, with consequences still present today. Basically what I'm trying to say is we're all f*cked.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoney_War

 

Suuuure.

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It is clear the Ukrainian people oppose joining the Russians through international policy ect, the majority of the citizens want to accept the EU. 

 

I think that if the Russians try to take over another culture like China is in Tibet and Japan and China are both trying to do with various small islands, there will be a conflict. One historical reason Russia really wants to have Ukraine, is to have access to the Black Sea, a freshwater port Russia never has had. Whether or not the USA gets involved depends on a lot of factors. We have not gotten involved very much in Syria despite major UN policy violations. But in the end, it'll come down to whether or not it is profitable for us. 

 

If you don't believe me, I finished watching an excellent documentary called "Why we Fight" that some may want to watch as it answers a lot of questions on whether or not we'd get involved in foreign affairs or not. Why did we invade Iraq (No credible Intel, Saddam was our Allie) and why we're not invading Syria (Major human rights violations). I'll just put it out there for anybody who wants to see it. 

 

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As I said on your status, the US will have to intervene (thus starting a battle, p) as they made a promise to protect Ukraine from invasion to get them to give up their nukes (of which there were 2,300 I think). If the US decides to not do anything, they'll have trouble getting other countries to give up their nukes in the future. A similar event also forced Britain into going to war in the WWII, with consequences still present today. Basically what I'm trying to say is we're all f*cked.

Well this is the worst time for us here in the U.S to get involved because our Secretary of Defense is trying to shrink our military.

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Well this is the worst time for us here in the U.S to get involved because our Secretary of Defense is trying to shrink our military.

 

Trust me, even though they are trying to shrink the military. It is absolutely nothing anybody will see. Military spending is never cut, and when it is it's useless stuff nobody sees like a reduction in production in tanks (Not used anymore). We all know the fact, America spends more in military than the next 13 countries combined, and it most likely will always stay like that as America follows current foreign policy of Unipolarism, World's Policemen, you know, don't let me go on. If America were to get involved, budget would not be an issue. 

-Mr.Quiggles

Trust me, even though they are trying to shrink the military. It is absolutely nothing anybody will see. Military spending is never cut, and when it is it's useless stuff nobody sees like a reduction in production in tanks (Not used anymore). We all know the fact, America spends more in military than the next 13 countries combined, and it most likely will always stay like that as America follows current foreign policy of Unipolarism, World's Policemen, you know, don't let me go on. If America were to get involved, budget would not be an issue. 

You have a valid point.

One thing about events like this that is consistent throughout history (the biggest being Vietnam War and Iraq Wars), is there often will be a stalemate in progress like there is right now regarding Ukraine. This stalemate is Ukrainians know there will always be a sphere of influence over them by Russia, but Russia can't downright invade because there is no way the global forces would allow that. America is known for being in a situation like this, and staging an event to give them justification to take action. If you look at where we've been since 2001, all the Bush's justification was false. 

 

1. Saddam has or is building Weapons of Mass Destruction - False, we were his Allie. It was proven he was searching for Fissionable material in Africa, but that was during the early 90's. Nothing recent.

2. The terrorists of 9/11 were from Iraq - False, majority were from Saudi Arabia. But 1, Saudi Arabia nor Iraq government staged this. And 2, we couldn't invade the Saudi's because we have to support their corrupt monarchy for oil for allies. 

3. A top senior Al-Qaeda leader confessed to Saddam having Weapons - True, but the confession was forced out of him. Al-Libbi was waterboarded multiple times until he was willing to say anything.

 

In this particular case, it becomes evident that a country can stage events, lie to the public to create public support, and have justification and temporary support from the global world to do whatever they'd like. It's not just America that can do this. 

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yes well its to bad for the people in this country but for a guy my age it is scary cause of what we have seen this russian goverment do in the last 40 years.here in Canada whe HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEACH AND GOVERMENT AT WILL . Russia is not a country that i would live in because of the corruption that exist there. we all have our little problems whit corruption but no where near of what goes on in that coutry.I only hope that it does not come to a war of what ever kind .

I agree, but most of the people living in the east of Ukraine are either russians or pro-russian.

No, you're wrong. Only in Crimea there are more Russians than Ukrainians and there are very few Ukrainians who support Russian invasion and ripping their country apart. 

 

BTW, The Russian Federation Council requested the president to withdraw russian ambassador from the USA. They called the States The Empire of Lie. Those stupid ignorant old bastards.

yes well its to bad for the people in this country but for a guy my age it is scary cause of what we have seen this russian goverment do in the last 40 years.here in Canada whe HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEACH AND GOVERMENT AT WILL . Russia is not a country that i would live in because of the corruption that exist there. we all have our little problems whit corruption but no where near of what goes on in that coutry.I only hope that it does not come to a war of what ever kind .

You damn right, I spent most part of my life there - hell, I'm even there right now! - and I don't get how could anyone want Russia to take over Ukraine. Corruption, hostility, governmental crimes, ex-KGB officer as a President... 

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