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Alright well I'd like to know everyone's opinion about EA's new Battlefield 4. What do you think about the game, how you like it so far, both SP and MP.

 

I thought this would deserve a thread, so here we go. I got BF4 for christmas, and I gotta say I... hate it. Yeah I said it. I've played with the SP before and while the story was insanely lame, and you couldn't get to like any of the characters, not to mention all the bugs it had, I kind of enjoyed it, which I believe was because of the better dynamics, and probably because of the good graphics. I believed that it was a step forward from the old BF3, where to me the way you could aim the weapons, and all that was kind of wrong, didn't feel like I was there in the action.

So that's why I decided to buy BF4, hoping the MP will be somehow good. Boy I was mistaken.

First of all, doesn't matter what faction you're in, you're stuck with the same weapon.

Chinese forces?

Here's your AK-12, now go win the battle!

Sir yes sir!

Russian forces?

Here's your AK-12, now go win the battle!

Ah okay...

US forces?

Here's your AK-12, now-  *gunshot*

You get the point, and now we get to the point where I talk (well write) about the netcode. It's so messed up that people shoot you through walls (which wasn't a bad thing, if the bullets actually could go through walls, which they can't) because the game didn't load it yet. So imagine you are waiting in a corner, getting ready to charge, then all of a sudden you're dead. If that wasn't enough to piss you off, try the recon class. While it is fun to lay low in the bushes and watch enemies sprint past you, God help you if you try to kill one of them. Once again thanks to the netcode you shoot some1 in the chest (pretty much where such vital organs are located, such as heart, lungs etc.) he'll simply shoot back at you instead of dieing. I've even heard stories where people shoot others in the head and they don't die (I had that with the ak12). For example concrete blocking every other part of his body, except for his head, you shoot him, you get a hit marker.

Now we move onto the best part, which everyone loves about the game: realism.

This game is so realistic, every living person has a parachute up his anus, which they can deploy even at 10 meters. The game where it takes 3 or sometimes because of the netcode 9 bullets to kill some1, however a plastic plane can kill you instantly, if it hits your leg. The game where a simple crossbow and a knife can kill you instantly but not a .50 cal gun. (mounted guns)

 

I don't want this thread to end in a flamewar, I really just want to know what are your opinions.

I surely won't buy another BF game. I own BF1942, BF Vietnam, BF2, BFBC2, BF3 and now BF4, so you can't really call me a CoD fanboy, however I do believe I should have bought CoD instead. (I only have CoD4 from the franchise)

 

List of problems:

 

- Horrible netcode (warping enemies, getting killed behind walls, weapon damage doesn't always work the same etc.)

- Choppy gameplay even at 50 FPS

- 5 second lag spikes where the screen freezes

- not working freelook if you spawn inside a helicopter or a jet

- headshots don't always kill instantly

- knifing is an instant kill

- messed up animation (for example, guy is frozen in crouch but still running)

- ricochet sounds are actually louder then the gun fire

- enemy footsteps can not be heard

- bulllets move slower, compared to real life

- parachute already decreases speed, before deploying

- tank/apc primary rounds don't instantly blow up jets / helicopter / small vehicles

- warning / lock-on sounds are quiet, sometimes not even hearable

- factions don't have their own weapons

- hardcore mode reduces your given health (without healing in time), instead of making the damage on every weapon better

- RPG 7 drive-by shooters (what the actual fuck)

- getting stuck in really small objects (curb, taken out lamppost, small rocks)

- unrealistic bullet drop, mainly on tanks

- you can see the bullets (this ain't matrix, and don't get me started on tracer rounds)

 

I only listed the things that is wrong with the game and must be changed, not the things I would prefer to be in the game (like having m82 barrett, or m1 abrams being superior to other tanks etc.)

 

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I've only played 11 rounds so far (I got it on release date) and I gotta say, I'm disappointed too, mostly because too many things have changed. Why the heck did they change the bullet drop for the tank shells? Why would you have to aim 10 meters above your target to hit it when it's just 50 meters away?

I like the AK-12, and to be honest, this one and the P226 (the default sidearm) are the only guns I've used, because I haven't tried the other classes. I will when I unlock a few carbines to use with the Engineer class instead of those ugly PDWs (who's had this terrible idea anyway?).

I don't know if it's just me, but it seems like other players only need 3 or 4 assault rifle bullets to kill me when I need an entire magazine to kill them...

Also, I don't know what causes this, but my game still lags even though my FPS count is well above 50 and my ping is below 40 (most of the time).

 

I haven't played a single CoD: Ghosts multiplayer game (only against bots actually, but that doesn't count). In fact I haven't since Black Ops II. If there weren't that many hackers in MW2 and more people were still willing to play that game, I'd still be playing it. But for now I'll stick with BF3 because it's the only game I can still have fun playing.

 

Oh, and according to rumors, EA *might* offer the Second Assault DLC for free for all the problems players have been facing for 2 months, as an apology...

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I played it for a while on Ultra. Yes it looks good, but it's not as well optimized as Crysis 3. The screen would lock up ever 3 seconds and the all of the sounds would be distorted in single player. 

 

I can't judge the story, since I've only payed a few minutes before rage quitting, but I've also heard that it's very weak to the Bad Company sub-series, and even BF3 in comparison.

 

The multiplayer I enjoyed, but it ends there. 

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To be honest, I haven't bought or played BF4, but from what I can see all the issues I hated about BF3 are still there. Why in hell do I have to go to my internet browser to join into a match online? The netcode seems to be quite crappy too (like Sgt. Jackson mentioned), like in BF3 when u got shot after u got behind cover because on another player's PC u werent behind that cover at the time he shot you. There are some things I like about BF4 for example the commander's return, longer time needed for rank progression (like in the good old BF2 times) and the maps seem to be quite awesome.

 

I feel like Bad Company 2 was the last good Battlefield game. I remember BC2 for the fun I had in singleplayer AND multiplayer (mostly on Valparaiso as a cowardly hiding sniper), I only remember BF3 for the points it cost me when the game crashed after a lucrative round and for the completely stupid sniper lensflare. I don't think I'll be buying BF4 anytime soon, especially after what I read from you guys, that the netcode is still broken. I really hope EA starts making good Battlefields again, like BF2 or BC2 because I won't buy any CoD soon, I don't like the "run'n'gun" gameplay mechanics and I like my tanks and jets in Battlefield.

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@Sgt.Jackson

I get that too, and people say that's because of the netcode too. Some people say that the better ping you have, the more you are affected by the effects of this thing. There are a few videos up showing that some people have to shoot like 9 bullets into some1, while it takes 2 for others to kill him.

 

I haven't played CoD Ghosts in multiplayer, but the single player was still very much enjoyable. Wasn't realistic, I mean shooting in space (lol), but it was epic, just like what a cod sp should be. I do believe MW2 was the greatest shooter as well, and I am kind of disappointed I didn't buy the game back then, and I admit I played with MW2 on iwnet or whatever that thing was, and that was pretty good (minus the cheaters), so I assume that cod's mp would be a lot more enjoyable.

Also I believe this game has so many flaws right now, that they could release all the DLCs free, I still wouldn't like it. I just don't think they will fix all these problems.

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It's fun when you start playing it, but it gets boring after awhile. Pros: I like the new weapons, I like how they brought back some BF3 maps, and Domination is fun. Cons: Playing the same map for 30 minutes takes a toll on my enjoyment. I wish you could invite your friends. It's boring without playing with your friends. I shouldn't have to shoot 4 RPGs for one tank. 

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I got it for Christmas, and so far I think it's a really cool game. The only reason that's the only thing I've been playing (opposed to GTAV) is because of the new Logitech sound system I got, which makes it sound so unbelievable, especially on SP. I like the MP, although I absolutely suck at it. 

 

I really like the single player, the graphics are amazing and the cut scenes are interesting. I played it for about an hour, maybe an hour and a half. I was really hooked on it, until I couldn't get past a certain mission. Then I switched to MP, and I'm currently level 3, lol.

 

I went back to the campaign mode to find that my save was erased/not saved to begin with, which is really weird. I found out my save was erased by starting a new one and noticing after I did it that that  it was the only option, and the weirdest part was that I quit the new save I had just started, and that saved before I even finished the first cut scene, I was like wtf lol.

Overall rating I would have to give it a 5/5, great storyline, guns, and graphics. 

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Netcode seems to be a regional issue, I haven't experienced any excessive netcode errors on EU servers.

 

Generally I quite like BF4 even though it has its flaws, the game shouldn't have been released as early as it was nor should they release for 5 different platforms at the same time, it's just a recipe for disaster.

 

There's nothing wrong with gameplay though, it's a lot of fun online with non-stop balls-to-the-wall action  and cool explosions everywhere.

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I really love BF4.

I have found a lot of the flaws with the game are much less apparent in Hardcore mode.

 

While I have not been in the Battlefield series long enough to see the "downfall", I have played BF3 and 4. I personally think 4 is a huge step up. I love the progression, the battlepacks, all the ways to rank things up that keeps you playing.

Yes it's buggy, but it is playable, although it may take a NASA computer to run it, but I love the game and highly recommend it to friends.

 

 

It may not have reached expectations, but it sure as hell is better than the other shooters released currently. 

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When it works correctly  best Shooter on the market.. problem is  it only works correctly less than 10% of the time.

 

I have it on PC and PS4.  The gameplay is well done  but the game it's self was unfinished,rushed,thrown together & really a bad scam job.

 

EU servers seem to perform better because for we US players.. wow is the "netcode" awful  it's absolutely the worst I have ever seen in gaming.

 

On local 40 or less ping servers  I die before the enemy is even shown looking at me on my screen constantly.  On hiss creen it shows something entirely different.

 

I have tested some round on EU servers with 150+ pings  and only that high of a ping does the "netcode" actually seem close to norm  and legit gun fights etc.

 

pretty dissapointing & shotty job done by EA & dice to be quite honest.

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Same bug on EU servers too. I get 40 pings as well, sometimes less, and I still get these weird kills. 1 gun seems to work brilliantly, the M82 Barrett. Got 4 kills in a row in under 1 minute, and some others later. Question, why couldn't they include that as a proper gun, no idea.

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I've only played 11 rounds so far (I got it on release date) and I gotta say, I'm disappointed too, mostly because too many things have changed. Why the heck did they change the bullet drop for the tank shells? Why would you have to aim 10 meters above your target to hit it when it's just 50 meters away?

I like the AK-12, and to be honest, this one and the P226 (the default sidearm) are the only guns I've used, because I haven't tried the other classes. I will when I unlock a few carbines to use with the Engineer class instead of those ugly PDWs (who's had this terrible idea anyway?).

I don't know if it's just me, but it seems like other players only need 3 or 4 assault rifle bullets to kill me when I need an entire magazine to kill them...

Also, I don't know what causes this, but my game still lags even though my FPS count is well above 50 and my ping is below 40 (most of the time).

 

I haven't played a single CoD: Ghosts multiplayer game (only against bots actually, but that doesn't count). In fact I haven't since Black Ops II. If there weren't that many hackers in MW2 and more people were still willing to play that game, I'd still be playing it. But for now I'll stick with BF3 because it's the only game I can still have fun playing.

 

Oh, and according to rumors, EA *might* offer the Second Assault DLC for free for all the problems players have been facing for 2 months, as an apology...

About the lags : everyone can have them if you are on a bad server , for exemple , you have a ping of 35 , and you can still have lags if the server is bad ..

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I've been playing on American Hardcore servers in which I have 250+ ping all the time and it's very rare that I'll notice the netcode issues, as Pengi said, I think hardcore fixes most of the problems. Overall Battlefield 4 is great fun and it's a big step-up from Battlefield 3. 

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First of all, doesn't matter what faction you're in, you're stuck with the same weapon.

Chinese forces?

Here's your AK-12, now go win the battle!

Sir yes sir!

Russian forces?

Here's your AK-12, now go win the battle!

Ah okay...

US forces?

Here's your AK-12, now-  *gunshot

You might want to level up a bit before writing something like this. Modern military shooters (both Battlefield and Call of Duty) require you to start off with a few base weapons all factions can use, then as you level up the class you play, you unlock new ones. I unlocked every assault rifle very swiftly by leveling up my Medic class. I'm using the AEK-971 for most games, no matter my faction which is a Russian prototype weapon. The AK-12 is just what you start with, so it sounds like you have some leveling to do.

 

 

You get the point, and now we get to the point where I talk (well write) about the netcode. It's so messed up that people shoot you through walls (which wasn't a bad thing, if the bullets actually could go through walls, which they can't) 

You're probably experiencing issues with 'Network Smoothing' which is designed to smooth otherwise laggy game play by having your computer add in its own calculations for where your character is and what he's supposed to be doing on the map whenever packets drop. As such, you might be able to escape from someone shooting you by going around a corner on your screen, but you end up dying as if you weren't behind any cover. Turn down network smoothing. I'd say 30% is about right. Some people shut it off entirely. Toy with it and see what setting you like. And FYI you can indeed shoot through walls, it just depends on what they are made of.

 

 

While it is fun to lay low in the bushes and watch enemies sprint past you, God help you if you try to kill one of them. Once again thanks to the netcode you shoot some1 in the chest (pretty much where such vital organs are located, such as heart, lungs etc.) he'll simply shoot back at you instead of dieing

 

That has nothing to do with the netcode. You're playing on softcore mode where only headshots are one shot kills with sniper rifles. It does 85 damage max if you hit someone in the chest. If you wan't to kill people with one shot in the chest using a bolt action rifle, switch to hardcore mode and you'll get the results you want.

 

 

I've even heard stories where people shoot others in the head and they don't die (I had that with the ak12). 

That was a glitch that they had at the beginning of the game that they've supposedly since patched out.

 

 

Now we move onto the best part, which everyone loves about the game: realism.

This game is so realistic, every living person has a parachute up his anus, which they can deploy even at 10 meters. The game where it takes 3 or sometimes because of the netcode 9 bullets to kill some1, however a plastic plane can kill you instantly, if it hits your leg. The game where a simple crossbow and a knife can kill you instantly but not a .50 cal gun. (mounted guns)

 

I don't want this thread to end in a flamewar, I really just want to know what are your opinions.

I surely won't buy another BF game. I own BF1942, BF Vietnam, BF2, BFBC2, BF3 and now BF4, so you can't really call me a CoD fanboy, however I do believe I should have bought CoD instead. (I only have CoD4 from the franchise)

 

It's a game, bro. Call of Duty, Team Fortress 2, Counter Strike, take your pick. They all have their realism issues, and its for the sake of balancing. There are no .50 cal snipers in the game because DICE would have no choice but to make them one shot kills even in softcore mode. So they are excluded for balancing reasons. The M16A3 from Battlefield 3 was changed to the M16A4 in Battlefield 4 because the M16A3 was a nearly perfect gun. Very low recoil, high fire rate, tight bullet spread. The M16A4 is a burst fire which reduces suppression and makes the rate of fire lower, making it harder to kill people with. Guns will even have their own properties changed over the course of the next couple of years. The AEK 971 was a perfect gun before the M16A3 was in Battlefield 3 because it had all the same properties, but almost no recoil and an even faster fire rate, so they had to nerf it to balance things out. Now it kicks like a mule. It's not realistic compared to its real life counterpart, but it needs to be done to be fair to people.

If you want realism, buy a simulator like ARMA. Switching to Call of Duty wont help you either. It's like going to Burger King instead of McDonalds. Battlefield 4 is far from perfect, but it's a great game when you get the hang of it. I'd be willing to bet you haven't even put in 50 hours yet. I've only been able to put in 34 hours due to my work load with my real job and beta testing LCPDFR, but I know the mechanics very well since I spent over 456 hours in Battlefield 3 (rank 71 Col.), and I have the feeling you haven't spent enough time with it. If I'm wrong, that's fine. This franchise just isn't for you, then. I'd suggest you spend some more time with it and try some of the suggestions I made above.

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I got day one release on Xbox 360 with premium, and the 360 controller. So far I have put close to 76 hours in it and LOVE it. Sure, it had problems... Until I switched to hardcore. I think that DICE has done well with BF4. Also, everybody saying that the campaign sucks can **** a giant ***** smothered in my hot ***** and ****** on it while they're at it. I liked the campaigns in BF3 and 4 MORE than BFBC2. 

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I also got it for christmas.

I've played like 3 games online and almost the whole SP. That's enough for me to judge IMO.

I have to say that the SP was really lame and too short. However the MP is just too similar to BF3. I didn't really enjoy it. It's ok if you're having boring, other than that it's....I just feel like they had the chance to give out a really good game, however they simply didn't take the time.

 

I think that it's ok for them to release 1 Battlefield per 2 years. that's enough for me. They should take their time and make it as good as Battlefield used to be. It just makes me sad to see one of my favorite FPS games to go in the same direction as COD once did... To just create the same shitty (pardon my French...) game, over and over again. With just a bunch of immature 12 years old crying about campers and people using shotguns and what not...

 

I'd give it a 2/5 to be honest. 

 

- Crappy single player

 

- Only reason why it even got 2 points, was because of the nice visual effects.I really hope they start to work on BC3 and take their time and make it as good as BC2 was.

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I've played like 3 games online and almost the whole SP. That's enough for me to judge IMO.

You'd be a terrible video game reviewer, I'm glad you're not in that line of work. Put some actual time into the game. You can easily get your ass kicked in a public server 3 times, so it would be easy to blame the weapons or mechanics or whatever other excuse you want to come up with. You're not qualified to judge anything based on three multiplayer matches and without even finishing the simple 6 hours single player. The single player is short, but it's like that with all big name shooters now. And BF3 was a good formula so they simply followed it and improved it slightly. Call of Duty does the same thing every year, and they break sales records each time. EA's doing what comes natural to game publishers. Following up on their hits.

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Then don't call this game realistic. And people go about everything being unbalanced. An assault class against a jet or a tank, isn't that freaking unbalanced? Why not make the assault rifle take down tanks and jets in 1 shot, I mean that's "realistic" right?

Arma sucks, I only played like the first 15 minutes, then realised how much they messed up the controls, and made it insanely complicated. I want a smooth game, with the flow experience, like CoD offers, but with a piece of mind where the gamer isn't considered to be a mindless zombie (because by making us believe these crap, they simply think we're retarded or sth)

Then again your bullet penetration:

.50 cal barrett to the body = instant kill - 1 point for BF4

.50 cal barrett to the body through a window = hit marker

apparently if you stand behind a window you can survive a round that goes through light armor, and just about any wall you can throw at it. Also about this so called bullet penetration, if you shoot at a wall with a tank round, no matter what round it is, the whole wall collapses, which is nice and all, however noone behind it will ever die, so that's another bad mark for BF.

As for the netcode, we explained that here in the thread I think enough times, that it is not our connection, since we get good pings. It's just simply bad, period.

Also I mentioned the AK-12 since first of all, it's a crappy useless gun in game, or if every other gun is like that in the game, then that just shows how bad the variety is, and it just proves I doN't want to play with it no more. The other thing is, the US army would never ever use a freaking AK as a standard weapon, nor would the chinese, but I could give 2 fucks (pardon my french) about the chinese.

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