I think the FPIU is a great alternative to the crown vic. More room, higher profile. Police vehicles have evolved into mobile mini-stations. I don't know about performance, but that may not be as big an issue considering stricter pursuit and response policies. Although, I would think the need to accelerate from near 0 mph to at least 40mph very quickly is important for clearing intersections and traffic while improving response times. I personally think that is where the FPIU has an issue, at least the standard version, based on my reading. 

Just my poorly educated observation.

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12 minutes ago, nic227 said:

FWD, seriously whose idea was it to make it into a police vehicle?

Most police cars in Europe are FWD, and it doesn't seem to be such a big deal.

I just feel like we have too luxury tastes here.

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1 hour ago, nic227 said:

I know Germany uses a lot of Mercedes' and VW's, but what are the protocols on engaging in pursuits in Europe?

Couldn't tell, I go to Europe only for holidays, I know little of their protocols and policies 

On 7/30/2016 at 0:55 AM, unr3al said:

And all of them are as ugly and slow as ever. Hurry up and go back to the drawing board, Ford. These are all terrible vehicles with the possible exception of the F-150 for general use by a civilian; but it's not necessarily the best law enforcement vehicle.

According to Ford, the Taurus and the Explorer have the best performance, even against their V8 competitors (in terms of 0-60, and 0-100 runs.) Numbers don't lie. Additionally, there must be some reason they still control 60% of the police market. 

 

Otherwise, I agree. I wish there was a more suitable Crown Victoria replacement (V8, RWD sedan).

Edited July 31, 20169 yr by Original Light

For those who want the actual numbers, here's the Michigan State Police's 2016 Police Vehicle Evaluation.

MSP is considered the premier agency in the US on testing PD vehicles.

http://www.michigan.gov/documents/msp/2016_MY_Police_Vehicle_Evaluation_Test_Book_516080_7.pdf

On 29-7-2016 at 4:35 AM, thegreathah said:

Interesting that they are putting more focus on the Expedition, whatever van that is, and the F-150 this year.

This is what AST has been waiting for hehe ;D

43 minutes ago, S0berDrunk said:

This is what AST has been waiting for hehe ;D

Better change those horrid rims though

46 minutes ago, thegreathah said:

Better change those horrid rims though

AST be pimpin´

1 minute ago, S0berDrunk said:

AST be pimpin´

 

1 minute ago, thegreathah said:

 

Lmao! You gotta make a short film with this song, Im working on an AST skin for the expedition soo :DD

Lets just take out all the new equipment and AWD from the FPI and stick in in a crown Vic shell Ford. It would be much better for my eyes 

On 7/30/2016 at 4:13 AM, Riley24 said:

For all the haters: I don't think thousands of departments are accidentally getting FPIUs and FPIs. The Taurus model has some mixed reviews in terms of comfort, but both are exceedingly popular and in high demand for good reason. Competition is out there, and they're losing.

That being said, for Christ's sake...put some better rims on that expedition....

They're in demand because the other manufacturers are putting out dog turds on wheels while Ford has managed to put out warmed dog turds on wheels. All of the current police vehicles from Ford, Chevrolet and Dodge are terrible. They're slow, ugly, heavy, expensive and uninspired because they're based off of existing mediocre civilian cars, they are not police vehicles designed from the group up like Ford promised before the Interceptor was unveiled and it turned out to be a Taurus SHO with a bunch of stuff stripped out and a small trunk that can't fit anything in it, so now departments all over the U.S. have to get cumbersome top-heavy SUVs instead with the same engine, further reducing performance.

I can't possibly be the only person who sees this. Please.

17 hours ago, Original Light said:

According to Ford, the Taurus and the Explorer have the best performance, even against their V8 competitors (in terms of 0-60, and 0-100 runs.) Numbers don't lie. Additionally, there must be some reason they still control 60% of the police market. 

Otherwise, I agree. I wish there was a more suitable Crown Victoria replacement (V8, RWD sedan).

The Taurus and Explorer share the same chassis and engine, which explains the performance, although that figure is likely a lie considering you can't possibly expect the same car with a heavier body to be just as fast, that's mathematically impossible without changing the engine. That being said; that fact sheet about performance is only true if departments buy the twin turbo charged V6 versions of those cars. Many departments can't afford them and end up buying EcoBoosts instead because its more cost effective both on initial purchase price and also on the town's fuel budget for the department. When the engines are downgraded, this puts the vehicles right back at the 0-60 in 6 seconds (as opposed to the slightly improved 0-60 in 5 seconds the most expensive Taurus Interceptor offers) benchmark the old Charger and CVPIs had. Numbers don't lie, but Ford might.

I resent them for not doing what they promised; putting in actual effort to build a police specific vehicle from the ground up. Decently quick four door cars with a V8 engine don't need to cost $50,000. I don't know what the hell Ford, Chevy & Dodge's problems are. Hell, the new Caprice had the same base engine as a Corvette. Why does it have so much less horsepower and torque? Why is it made of such heavy materials? Why does a base model of any of these cars with no emergency equipment on it and basic creature comforts stripped out cost $35,000-40,000?

A Chevrolet SS costs about $49,000; has a 6.2L V8 Corvette engine that puts out 415BPH, goes from 0-60 in 4.6 seconds, with a top speed of 163mph, has four doors, an automatic transmission with manual gear change paddles if you wish to use them, and it looks great in black. Why can't Chevrolet knock $5,000 - $10,000 off the price by stripping out equipment and sell police departments that car?:



The soundtrack the exhaust gives you isn't bad either:
 

 

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7 hours ago, unr3al said:

A Chevrolet SS costs about $49,000; has a 6.2L V8 Corvette engine that puts out 415BPH, goes from 0-60 in 4.6 seconds, with a top speed of 163mph, has four doors, an automatic transmission with manual gear change paddles if you wish to use them, and it looks great in black. Why can't Chevrolet knock $5,000 - $10,000 off the price by stripping out equipment and sell police departments that car?:

Ah yes, the Holden Commodore VF. I've seen a couple of them painted up in checkers with some LEDs, although it seems only the Highway Patrol have the sport version.

9 hours ago, unr3al said:

A Chevrolet SS costs about $49,000; has a 6.2L V8 Corvette engine that puts out 415BPH, goes from 0-60 in 4.6 seconds, with a top speed of 163mph, has four doors, an automatic transmission with manual gear change paddles if you wish to use them, and it looks great in black. Why can't Chevrolet knock $5,000 - $10,000 off the price by stripping out equipment and sell police departments that car?:

Making a PPV isn't as simple as removing superfluous equipment to sell the car cheaper, you've to add the lightning equipment (with the working hours it requires), the backseat cage, the possible gun rack, the radio, often a computer, possibly a rambar, making everything fit correctly. Surely you can remove some equipment from the civilian version, but you have to add equipment for the police, so I doubt the price would go down either way. :)

Edited August 1, 20169 yr by ScarletDraconis

my local pd has only bought new tahoes and used vics since the vics were killed off

On 7/31/2016 at 9:25 AM, nic227 said:

 

True, but in pursuit situations you do not want a FWD. Having the drive axle separate from the steering axle greatly increases performance and control in high speeds. I know Germany uses a lot of Mercedes' and VW's, but what are the protocols on engaging in pursuits in Europe?

haha no, most of Germany uses VW and Opel, maybe BMW. Most of them are appalling when it comes to acceleration or top speed. Only Highway Patrol in most states use Mercedes or BMW, the big ones with high powered engines.

Furthermore no computers, no ALPR, no bulletproof anything, no special seats or stuff for your duty belt, no prisoner partition. We really just get standard vehicles with some blue lights (very few) and a fancy livery (which isn't painted, just stickers).

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On 8/1/2016 at 0:13 PM, ScarletDraconis said:

Making a PPV isn't as simple as removing superfluous equipment to sell the car cheaper,

It actually more or less is. They are called fleet vehicles and they can also be ordered by different emergency services, limo companies and taxi companies. Police versions of these cars are fleet vehicles that have stiffer suspensions, better shifting and occasionally a sharper throttle response. Police departments have to add their own equipment to the car as different departments will use different computers, siren and light systems, ram bars, rifle or shotgun mounting points, ANPR computers & cameras, etc. This is almost entirely done post-delivery unless its specifically requested that Ford/Chevrolet/Dodge do it for you. The price point of $35,000 I gave you is for a Dodge Charger with absolutely nothing on it. No equipment at all. Adding another $5000 for a much better car seems like a no-brainer to me. On the subject of equipment however, I'd also like to point out that Ford is now pitching the idea of having their own hideaway and visor bar LED systems come with the cars as standard rather than having to go through a third party company for lighting solutions. If they're willing to include it in the price point as articles suggest, then Chevrolet should also be able to do this, and all of a sudden the Chevy SS's would become the new favorite.

Edited August 4, 20169 yr by unr3al

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