1 minute ago, Prophet said:

As J.K Rowling put it; "Goodbye, U.K"

I prefer:

out with the old

In with the new 

I think immigration is a plausible reason to vote against the European Union. It's not because immigrants are bad and all, it's because we are in the European Union which basically means we are required to let them come in to the country, and we are a small enough country as it is, with not enough jobs, not enough money and yet we aren't allowed to slim down the amount of people that come to this country, or get the ones who have skills that can contribute to this country.

Instead we get stuck with thousands of people travelling across Europe and ending up here in the United Kingdom because English is the language most of them know the basics of, and thus they settle down here. The problem with this is, people are called racists for saying "I'm genuinely scared there won't be many jobs left" and that's just idiotic, its a logical thing to think, and it's arrogant that people are called racist for merely being concerned at the mass-immigration.

There is still the issue of the so-called "refugees" lining up at Calais the EU is too incompetent to seal its boarders and nobody is sending the migrant boats back. The EU has taken such a weak and slow response to stopping them that i believe is why all of the EU nations now have their own Eurosceptic parties. With us gone that issue will still persist until the EU is totally disbanded and we gain back control of our boarders. The free movement of people is a unbelievably reckless idea. Its allowed rapists, terrorists, pedophiles and general criminals to waltz right into Europe without a single question being asked. 

I would 100% blame the EU for the terror attacks on Paris, it was their fault for not doing more to give its nations the security of its own boarders 

I fear that France will get bitter and send all of the migrants in Calais on our boarder and force us to take them 

Kinda sidetracking but still relevant. 

 

Another thing i cant understand is why people are upset we got our freedom back? I get Big businesses upset. but the average joe i cant comprehend. They're making it seem the end of the world is happening because Britain has control and democracy worked 

33 minutes ago, KarlsK said:

'Twas a good move from the British chaps.

I can understand their opinions about it, the EU started out as a project to help secure the economy for industries during the cold war, to be sure they had a stable production in wartime. Now it's just a union that is controlled by politicians you have never heard about that you didn't vote for.

What Europe needs is a trade union with every country existing like sovereign states. Not the current bullshit, where a small elite controls large amounts of unwanted laws, like hunting weapon controls and open borders.

 

 

This^ 

We need a collective Trade agreement not a new Union of nations that have become vassals of the US 

8 minutes ago, officerAMR said:

We need a collective Trade agreement not a new Union of nations that have become vassals of the US 

This.

And I'm American.

1 hour ago, officerAMR said:

Another thing i cant understand is why people are upset we got our freedom back? I get Big businesses upset. but the average joe i cant comprehend. They're making it seem the end of the world is happening because Britain has control and democracy worked 

This^ 

We need a collective Trade agreement not a new Union of nations that have become vassals of the US 

I see many reasons for concern. Great Britain could very well find itself in even less control of event that impact the lives of its population. The country faces a monumental task of reviewing and renegotiating treaties with the remaining EU, who could very well be resentful at what they see as abandonment. There is already talk by some in Brussels of making sure the UK pays a heavy cost for exiting. Businesses may also seek to punish Great Britain for what they see as encouraging a weaker market. This could mean more jobs to other European countries. And don't get me started if leaving the EU becomes a trend. Inevitable or not, a great burden will be placed on at the feet at the first country to leave, particularly given how important she was to begin with.

Mind you, I'm not a fan of the European Union. And I think a lot is still speculation. However, from the US, I think Great Britain has chosen a very difficult course that will require tremendous leadership and goodwill.

I personally would like to see the focus return to internationalism, rather than nationalism. I don't believe Great Britain has abandoned core values and principles that rise to its decision to join the EU in the first. Those should survive and be the roadmap for the way forward.

I also personally need to keep reminding myself this is about the UK and not the US election. I have very little confidence in my own government. And the presidential election isn't helping. One reason I initially gasp when the UK election was announced is because Donald Trump supported leave.

1 minute ago, Ranger61 said:

I see many reasons for concern. Great Britain could very well find itself in even less control of event that impact the lives of its population. The country faces a monumental task of reviewing and renegotiating treaties with the remaining EU, who could very well be resentful at what they see as abandonment. There is already talk by some in Brussels of making sure the UK pays a heavy cost for exiting. Businesses may also seek to punish Great Britain for what they see as encouraging a weaker market. This could mean more jobs to other European countries. And don't get me started if leaving the EU becomes a trend. Inevitable or not, a great burden will be placed on at the feet at the first country to leave, particularly given how important she was to begin with.

Mind you, I'm not a fan of the European Union. And I think a lot is still speculation. However, from the US, I think Great Britain has chosen a very difficult course that will require tremendous leadership and goodwill.

I personally would like to see the focus return to internationalism, rather than nationalism. I don't believe Great Britain has abandoned core values and principles that rise to its decision to join the EU in the first. Those should survive and be the roadmap for the way forward.

I also personally need to keep reminding myself this is about the UK and not the US election. I have very little confidence in my own government. And the presidential election isn't helping. One reason I initially gasp when the UK election was announced is because Donald Trump supported leave.

The EU simply cannot ignore US. That would be like Canada deciding not to trade with the US. A few businesses are throwing a stop at the moment but they should eventually come around, is it really worth spending millions on moving their business to Ireland or France just to save a few pennies on Labour? not really. 

Hopefully this trend continues until all countries are free to run themselves. Like i said above, Europe should be a group of cohesive free nations.  You cannot force nations with different levels of wealth, production and ideology together and expect it work, it hasn't worked. People make it seem like European nations cannot stand on their own two feet, constantly speculating financial crisis and I believe it has stricken fear into people. Its ludicrousness, How can Iceland and Switzerland be free of the EU and prosper amazingly whilst the UK can't? It makes no sense. 

Of course Trump supported Leave, leaving the EU opens up so many opportunities for the UK to trade with whoever they want without the permission of the EU. Thats good for his own Business as well as business from China and the rest of Asia.

I have a lot of faith in Donald to lead not only America, but the world to peace and prosperity, providing he follows through on his plans to disband NATO and establish for the first time since WW2 a working relation with Russia. 

Hillary Clinton belongs in Prison and I dont get why Bernie Sanders has support. I dont think he's a capable leader to run a economic superpower. 

Today Isn't just a victory for Britain, its a victory for everyone to show that big business and banks cant push us around 

Looking how the politics and the (current) aftermath of Brexit and opinon polls around europe, there's a clear spike in right-wing movements, such as Alternative für Deutchland, UKIP, Sweden Democrats and Front Nationale in most EU countries. I myself hope that we get an end to the EU, and just reform Europe, and disbands or reforms NATO and improves relations with Russia.

There is a couple of ways the upcoming EU will look like, and it will hopefully crumble. NATO should have been disbanded at the end of the cold war, and EU shouldn't be more than a trade union. Let countries choose if they want open borders and EU laws or not.

All in all, I highly support the British choice, and I hope this will spread across Europe. There might be unstability for a while, but sooner or later it will be fine. As long as there is no centralized goverment ruling over 700 million people, I will be satisfied. 

1 minute ago, KarlsK said:

Looking how the politics and the (current) aftermath of Brexit and opinon polls around europe, there's a clear spike in right-wing movements, such as Alternative für Deutchland, UKIP, Sweden Democrats and Front Nationale in most EU countries. I myself hope that we get an end to the EU, and just reform Europe, and disbands or reforms NATO and improves relations with Russia.

There is a couple of ways the upcoming EU will look like, and it will hopefully crumble. NATO should have been disbanded at the end of the cold war, and EU shouldn't be more than a trade union. Let countries choose if they want open borders and EU laws or not.

All in all, I highly support the British choice, and I hope this will spread across Europe. There might be unstability for a while, but sooner or later it will be fine. As long as there is no centralized goverment ruling over 700 million people, I will be satisfied. 

Europe has entered a new era. Arising from the smoke of the Europe set up by the US at the end of the cold war. 

I'm very sure the next country to leave will be France with the amount of hardship they have gone through in recent months. 

Even if relations improve with Russia we all know Sweden will still be searching for that Russian Submarine they've been looking for since the 1980's :P 

4 minutes ago, KarlsK said:

there's a clear spike in right-wing movements, such as Alternative für Deutchland, UKIP, Sweden Democrats and Front Nationale

Dunno for the others, but for the Front National, it's not right-wing, but extreme-right wing. They're a xenophobic, racist, nationalist ultra-patriotic party that has been seen mingling with the neo-nazi parties of some other countries in Europe. Just wanted to clear this detail out.

1 minute ago, Hystery said:

Dunno for the others, but for the Front National, it's not right-wing, but extreme-right wing. They're a xenophobic, racist, nationalist ultra-patriotic party that has been seen mingling with the neo-nazi parties of some other countries in Europe. Just wanted to clear this detail out.

 

I just checked that up, sorry for the mistake. That party seems pretty damn right-wing.

Either way, there is a right-wing storm blowing over Europe. :p

5 minutes ago, Hystery said:

Dunno for the others, but for the Front National, it's not right-wing, but extreme-right wing. They're a xenophobic, racist, nationalist ultra-patriotic party that has been seen mingling with the neo-nazi parties of some other countries in Europe. Just wanted to clear this detail out.

The FN is ifiy. 

They can be used as a vehicle to drum up enough noise so that the French govet. can old their own referendum. They should fall back in line after that 

Though it seems the French government doesn't care what people think considering they have protests near every week over labour laws

Edited June 24, 20169 yr by officerAMR

28 minutes ago, officerAMR said:

The EU simply cannot ignore US. That would be like Canada deciding not to trade with the US. A few businesses are throwing a stop at the moment but they should eventually come around, is it really worth spending millions on moving their business to Ireland or France just to save a few pennies on Labour? not really.

Hopefully this trend continues until all countries are free to run themselves. Like i said above, Europe should be a group of cohesive free nations.  You cannot force nations with different levels of wealth, production and ideology together and expect it work, it hasn't worked. People make it seem like European nations cannot stand on their own two feet, constantly speculating financial crisis and I believe it has stricken fear into people. Its ludicrousness, How can Iceland and Switzerland be free of the EU and prosper amazingly whilst the UK can't? It makes no sense. 

Of course Trump supported Leave, leaving the EU opens up so many opportunities for the UK to trade with whoever they want without the permission of the EU. Thats good for his own Business as well as business from China and the rest of Asia.

I have a lot of faith in Donald to lead not only America, but the world to peace and prosperity, providing he follows through on his plans to disband NATO and establish for the first time since WW2 a working relation with Russia. 

Hillary Clinton belongs in Prison and I dont get why Bernie Sanders has support. I dont think he's a capable leader to run a economic superpower. 

Today Isn't just a victory for Britain, its a victory for everyone to show that big business and banks cant push us around 

Again, it will take tremendous leadership to renegotiate those treaties, and Great Britain face enormous obstacles. Failure to succeed could leave the UK kind of like a non-voting member.

12 minutes ago, Ranger61 said:

Again, it will take tremendous leadership to renegotiate those treaties, and Great Britain face enormous obstacles. Failure to succeed could leave the UK kind of like a non-voting member.

Yah that is one issue. 

Still we will be able to trade with  who we want regardless of if we have to obey some EU laws 

That moment when Piers Morgan is not the biggest twat in the room.

 

I wonder when Scotland will hold another Independence Referendum? Also, will the two Ireland's reunite as well?

Could this be the beginning of the end of the United Kingdom?

1 hour ago, PhillBellic said:

I wonder when Scotland will hold another Independence Referendum? Also, will the two Ireland's reunite as well?

Could this be the beginning of the end of the United Kingdom?

Whenever England allows it, the last one was binding.

Uhh, Wales gets like £10bn for rural development and to support poorer communities (including my town, it's basically been remodelled by the fund), and it comes straight from the EU, that, that, would be a bad loss for us.
Hell, maybe we should leave too! Kill all of the UK why don't we.

Apparently the Scottish First Minister is already making talks to file another Independence Referendum, apparently before the UK leaves the EU.
No comment as far as I know from the Senedd (where our government people do government things) 

6 minutes ago, Starmix said:

Uhh, Wales gets like £10bn for rural development and to support poorer communities (including my town, it's basically been remodelled by the fund), and it comes straight from the EU, that, that, would be a bad loss for us.
Hell, maybe we should leave too! Kill all of the UK why don't we.

Apparently the Scottish First Minister is already making talks to file another Independence Referendum, apparently before the UK leaves the EU.
No comment as far as I know from the Senedd (where our government people do government things) 

The reason why those areas are poor to begin with is because the EU destroyed fishing and subsidised the movement of industries. Consider watching this 

 

I would love to see another vote done today. I'm seeing a lot of reports that people are regretting their vote to leave. A lot of people are angry at the establishment and elite in their country, and that is true for both the United States and the UK. This is a reminder that anger at the political system has to be founded on clear policy objectives.

Also, I'll leave you with this excellent tweet from Edward Snowden:

 

I'm actually laughing a bit at those salty people now asking for another referendum. First, if the result was inverted, I doubt they'd ask that. And second, about people regretting their vote... they're simply stupid, and should not be allowed to vote for a second referendum if it was to happen again. They apparently didn't take their vote seriously and voted a bit randomly, too bad for them, democracy isn't a thing for indecisive people.