36 minutes ago, GravelRoadCop said:

 

Guys, the only source that i am going to listen to in terms of whether Zoogenhiemer wants to release EVL or non EVL models is by Zoogenhiemer himself, not his 'fans.' 

Again, i chose not to use EVL for personal reasons that for in the best of our interest should remain undisclosed. 

I am not one of @zoogenhiemer's "fans", I am one of his close advisers and I've been a member of his testing team since the early days of this model. I'm merely stating a truth which for whatever reason you do not choose to accept. I care little as to the personal reason why you won't use EVL. I merely stated facts by saying that if Z wishes to make a non-EVL version, it will come long after an initial release of an EVL/ELS version. If you cannot accept that than I cannot help you.  

Edited November 2, 201510 yr by M3Creepsta

1 hour ago, GravelRoadCop said:

 

Guys, the only source that i am going to listen to in terms of whether Zoogenhiemer wants to release EVL or non EVL models is by Zoogenhiemer himself, not his 'fans.' 

Again, i chose not to use EVL for personal reasons that for in the best of our interest should remain undisclosed. 

its z. choise if he want to release a non evl mod but whitout evl he had to remove half of his lighting setup from the car , but yeah i just want to tell you that evl is perfect for this ford explorer and will by more modders in the future at least when els gets released since its almost the same

Edited November 3, 201510 yr by HerrPrometheus

19 minutes ago, M3Creepsta said:

I am not one of @zoogenhiemer's "fans", I am one of his close advisers and I've been a member of his testing team since the early days of this model. I'm merely stating a truth which for whatever reason you do not choose to accept. I care little as to the personal reason why you won't use EVL. I merely stated facts by saying that if Z wishes to make a non-EVL version, it will come long after an initial release of an EVL/ELS version. If you cannot accept that than I cannot help you.  

I am not sure where you are getting the idea that I cannot accept the concept of not it being non-EVL version. It does not bother me at all whatever his decision will be. There are other options that I can fallback to that will sustain me in a longer run than this mod.

Let's look at the facts here : as I am typing this right now, EVL has seen 2,026 downloads. LSPDFR has been downloaded over 539,246 times. EVL is about 0.37 % of the LSPDFR population ( 0.37570978736977184 %, my math is crap)  so that means that the majority of the users are not using EVL for reasons that there are other models available that does not require EVL or other lighting scripts until ELS comes out.

So, the reason why I asked the author if he can make a clone model that does not require EVL is because there are more non EVL users than there are ELV users. Just saying there is a higher demand for non-EVL model. I have no doubts that his EVL model will increase the popularity of the EVL mod and rake in more downloads, but until then, he could consider the idea of making a non EVL version.   

I am not here to provoke or exert your relationship to Zoogenhiemer.   

Edited November 2, 201510 yr by GravelRoadCop

1 hour ago, GravelRoadCop said:

 

Guys, the only source that i am going to listen to in terms of whether Zoogenhiemer wants to release EVL or non EVL models is by Zoogenhiemer himself, not his 'fans.' 

Again, i chose not to use EVL for personal reasons that for in the best of our interest should remain undisclosed. 

Zoogenhiemer told me that the vehicle is going to be EVL/ELS, because he loves the light patterns that he is able to do with that mod. And the light setup that he has on it right now is fantastic, I'm in love with his model. It's actually the only one I use. But I'm sure there will be many other explorers out there that will be made with the vanilla lighting. Just give it time :)

Deep breath guys! 

 

Just want to clear a few things up.  I made this mod EVL compatible for a few reasons: 

1. I am lighting freak and I really like flexibility a mod like EVL affords.  I've been dying for a traffic adviser, and now i am have one that is close.
2. It is much easier to setup (for the mod maker anyway) than using the stock sirens.  No trying to guess where the siren will pop up, or whether you got the scale and offset correct, not messing with the siren settings lines in meta files, etc.  You put the flash object in the correct spot in it's actual size, group it with others that you want it o flash with and boom, it works.
3. I knew i was going to make the jump ELS as soon as it was released, so experimenting with EVL should allow me to transition, with little effort, to ELS as soon as it arrives.  EVL is a stopgap.

That said, i realize that ELS and EVL is not everyone' cup of tea and the approach it takes certainly has it's drawbacks.  Perhaps it's biggest Achilles heel right now is that there are currently only 9 extra slots are accessible to use.  That sounds like a lot, especially since you can put many flash objects in each extra (unlimited really), but each flash in an extra all have to share the same local pivot, as far as i can tell.  Why is that a limitation you ask?  well, its only really a problem on parts that move.  Take the doors for example, you'll notice i no longer have lights on the door mirrors.  Well that is because the when the light was flashing and you opened the door, the light would still flash as if it was closed.  To make it work, i would have to nest the extra to the door as child object, so that when the door object rotates, so does the flash.  But that would force all the lights being used by that extra rotate too,which of course would look odd.  I could just use extra 1 and extra 2 only on the left and right doors, but that would leave only 3 and 4 for the primary pattern.  and that may very well work, i need to try it and see.  Another option i was toying with is using a combo of stock sirens and ELV, use the stock sirens on the door mirrors, and other parts that open (boot for example, but since that is opened much less then doors, it's not as bad)  ELS may very well have a way around this problem, and i hope it can use more extra slots, but time will tell.

Why am I telling you guys all of this? well, i guess to let you know in the world of modding, just like real life....everything is a compromise  personally i choose the path that gets me as close to my vision for a vehicle as i can get.

 

But to answer the question asked, i will certainly consider making a non EVL/ELS version after i get this version out.  But it will probably be a slick top ;)

 

Some glamour shots for everyone: 

2 hours ago, M3Creepsta said:

Some glamour shots for everyone: 

why do you tease us like this??? 

It's like watching the people at subway make your sandwich and as its finished and you're starting to pay, they slowly start eating it while looking at you D:

p.s. it looks awesome! keep up the great work!

Edited November 4, 201510 yr by officerscrub

Great work, love the shots so far. Read your post about the mirror lighting so I would assume you are still working on that. Any update for predicted release? Even an approximation would be appreciated. I literally check this forum twice a day. The hype is real.  

1 hour ago, dogtreat07 said:

Great work, love the shots so far. Read your post about the mirror lighting so I would assume you are still working on that. Any update for predicted release? Even an approximation would be appreciated. I literally check this forum twice a day. The hype is real.  

You guys will all love this vehicle when it is released! Trust me :P I haven't heard anything about a release date, but I know that Z is still getting rid of some bugs, so that on release it will be an astonishing model!

1 hour ago, dogtreat07 said:

Great work, love the shots so far. Read your post about the mirror lighting so I would assume you are still working on that. Any update for predicted release? Even an approximation would be appreciated. I literally check this forum twice a day. The hype is real.  

Release could take a while, Z has a lot of interior work ahead of him. Other than that, the externals are almost 100%. 

Wonder if the trunk area will have a storage box option when trunk is opened. 

1 hour ago, jim2010 said:

Wonder if the trunk area will have a storage box option when trunk is opened. 

Are you talking about something like Desmond's explorer has?

37 minutes ago, ratt0114 said:

Are you talking about something like Desmond's explorer has?

Yeah like that!

27 minutes ago, jim2010 said:

Yeah like that!

its a possibility! i dont know if hes started the interior yet, but it would be cool if he put something like that in the trunk. 

11 minutes ago, ratt0114 said:

its a possibility! i dont know if hes started the interior yet, but it would be cool if he put something like that in the trunk. 

That would be awesome!! Either way can't wait till he release the car!

 

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40 minutes ago, ratt0114 said:

 

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WOW!! I want to test this car!! :D

Hey all,  so my current plan is to get the exterior work to 100% which is nearly there now.  But the interior is in sad shape, heck there is not even a steering wheel in there now, lol. I am going to get the interior to a basic level so that it looks ok in 3rd person. (the door panels look ok when open, etc.)  Release it, then focus on making a kick ass interior for use in first person.  The first person interior has to be modeled and textured from scratch (You can see some of my early interior work in this thread) so it's going to take a while. This way those that want start using it right away, can, while those that want to wait for the interior, can do so.  Should be a only week or two until this 3rd person only version is ready.

Edited November 4, 201510 yr by zoogenhiemer

Just a quick question. With EVL does it allow modders to make the lights all blue or is that still a WIP?

51 minutes ago, jhudsonred81 said:

Just a quick question. With EVL does it allow modders to make the lights all blue or is that still a WIP?

I believe you can make them all blue