Taking away someone's house because they can't pay for it is responsibility. If someone cannot take responsibility and take care of their financial issue, then they should expect foreclosure to happen. He could take a loan from the bank while he looks for a new job, move in with relatives or friends, or rent a cheap small apartment while he gets back on his feet. It's not the banks job to feel sorry for people and give them houses they cant afford.

 

I understand your point on this issue. I was trying to draw attention to the fact that keeping prostitution illegal doesn't help much to combat it, while making it legal could. If a legal brothel is operated by a legal organization, you could obtain info on this organization, company charter, founder's name in your local company registration office, sue the owner or make a complaint. The owner will loose his license and close his operations, and the possibility of this should keep him straight.

 

Fighting illegal brothels - just like drugs - is almost useless, because it takes a bit more than your second amendment rights. Too much money is made on human trafficking and prostitution and too many people are involved in it. 

Fighting illegal brothels - just like drugs - is almost useless, because it takes a bit more than your second amendment rights. Too much money is made on human trafficking and prostitution and too many people are involved in it. 

to Piggy back that with facts according to the U.N. The Human Trafficking Business has a market value of approximately $32 Billion Dollars World Wide with as i posted before 48% of that Market being Linked to Prostitution and sexual exploitation.

Edited March 24, 201511 yr by XBR410

I am fine with legalizing regulated prostitution, and I am against legalizing street prostitution, pimps, human trafficking, etc etc. People can do whatever the hell they want with their bodies, it doesn't affect me at all. I agree with the argument of not wanting to see two people going at it in a car in an alleyway. That's wrong even if the two people are married. The reason I find it absurd to compare this to the legalization of rape or child pornography is because prostitution is a victim-less crime unless one or both of the persons involved have STD's, which would be solved by having such activities regulated by STD checks, condom use, and private areas for the activity to occur which would not disturb anyone else. Police should be able to focus on pimping, human trafficking and drug use. I even think that prostitutes who are being forced or controlled by pimps should be given more support if picked up off the street. I only see benefit from the legalization of regulated prostitution. Just like if Marijuana is legal in your state/wherever you live, you don't have to smoke marijuana. Nobody is forcing you to. You can go about your day totally unaffected by the man smoking in his house. However, my own counter argument to that is that I dislike when people smoke on the street, however, I already solved the prostitution equivalent of that issue above.

 

Regarding morals or religion, or whatever - sure, to you, sex may be a romantic, passionate thing between you and your lover, that's all fine and dandy. Nobody is saying that you have to abandon those morals by going out and buying prostitution services. You can share your love with someone else however you wish, however, other people may not share your morals/religion, and you shouldn't prohibit them from doing something that *would be* totally safe and private just because you don't like it. That's like me saying, "I don't like people who smoke cigarettes, it's against my morals. And some other people share those morals. Let's make it illegal!" but my opinion is my own, and just because I don't like smoking doesn't mean I should prohibit everyone else from smoking. It's their lungs, it's your body. Religion, personal morals and opinion should never be the basis of law.

 

Anyways. I'm on board with allowing regulated prostitution, and continue fighting unsafe, non-private street prostitution, human trafficking, pimping and drug use.

This is my point. There is no universal "value" or "meaning" to sex and to legislate on the matter if there is a clear breach of an individual's civil liberties. 

 

Although for the practical purposes of this discussion I think it is irrelevant, I think sex can have whatever meaning you want it to have. It can be purely for pleasure, it can be something you  share with a significant other, etc.

Humans have emotions. The purpose of sex is to show great emotion and affection for another individual, be it man or woman. This isn't a moral or an opinion, it's a fact. Sex with no emotion is pointless and disgusting. There are certain guidelines and morals that we should be taught as children. Do not lie, do not cheat, do not steal, do not commit adultery, etc. Why are most of us taught these things? Because In this world you're either right or you're wrong. Lying is wrong. Cheating is wrong. Stealing is wrong. Killing is wrong. What makes adultery any better than the following? Sex isn't something that can be thrown around like its some kind of joke. Lets look at WHY people get into prostitution. If I'm married, financially well off, living in a beautiful home; then why would I need to look into prostitution? I think people only get into it for the money, and out of desperation. I don't know anyone mentally sane that would go have sex with some STD infested whore just for the hell of it. It doesn't make any sense. It's stupid and illogical.

Oh and yes, politics do play a large role on this "issue".

Humans have emotions. The purpose of sex is to show great emotion and affection for another individual, be it man or woman. This isn't a moral or an opinion, it's a fact. Sex with no emotion is pointless and disgusting. There are certain guidelines and morals that we should be taught as children. Do not lie, do not cheat, do not steal, do not commit adultery, etc. Why are most of us taught these things? Because In this world you're either right or you're wrong. Lying is wrong. Cheating is wrong. Stealing is wrong. Killing is wrong. What makes adultery any better than the following? Sex isn't something that can be thrown around like its some kind of joke. Lets look at WHY people get into prostitution. If I'm married, financially well off, living in a beautiful home; then why would I need to look into prostitution? I think people only get into it for the money, and out of desperation. I don't know anyone mentally sane that would go have sex with some STD infested whore just for the hell of it. It doesn't make any sense. It's stupid and illogical.

Oh and yes, politics do play a large role on this "issue".

Nothing you've said in regards to the " value" of sex is an objective fact.

People become involved in prostitution for a variety of reasons, but to dismiss them as "STD ridden whores" is rather insensitive. Most people working in the sex trade now went to it because they had no other options and were likely coerced in some way. Nor are they free to leave that life, under the threat of violence. Legalization isn't a stamp of approval, just a safer way of doing what's going to be done regardless.

Humans have emotions. The purpose of sex is to show great emotion and affection for another individual, be it man or woman. This isn't a moral or an opinion, it's a fact. Sex with no emotion is pointless and disgusting. There are certain guidelines and morals that we should be taught as children. Do not lie, do not cheat, do not steal, do not commit adultery, etc. Why are most of us taught these things? Because In this world you're either right or you're wrong. Lying is wrong. Cheating is wrong. Stealing is wrong. Killing is wrong. What makes adultery any better than the following? Sex isn't something that can be thrown around like its some kind of joke. Lets look at WHY people get into prostitution. If I'm married, financially well off, living in a beautiful home; then why would I need to look into prostitution? I think people only get into it for the money, and out of desperation. I don't know anyone mentally sane that would go have sex with some STD infested whore just for the hell of it. It doesn't make any sense. It's stupid and illogical.

Oh and yes, politics do play a large role on this "issue".

Welcome to the USSR, friend. When someone starts thinking for me what I should do if I am married and what I should think, it's time to look for your red flag and Stalin's picture. 

 

>This isn't a moral or an opinion, it's a fact. 

>Sex with no emotion is pointless and disgusting.

 

Sorry, is that  a fact? It is  the very opinion of yours. You don't like sex without love, fine, don't have it. I've never been in love for 21 years, so you think I should be a monk then? 

 

> The purpose of sex is to show great emotion and affection for another individual

 

I fuck you because I want to show how I am affected for you. Hmmm, a nice conception. I used to buy gifts to show my affection, but sex is much cheaper. 

 

You sound awfully selfish and egocentric in this thread, evaluating everything from your point of view. The main job of the government should be to protect people and property, not to enforce "moral values" and tell me what to want. 

Welcome to the USSR, friend. When someone starts thinking for me what I should do if I am married and what I should think, it's time to look for your red flag and Stalin's picture.

>This isn't a moral or an opinion, it's a fact.

>Sex with no emotion is pointless and disgusting.

Sorry, is that a fact? It is the very opinion of yours. You don't like sex without love, fine, don't have it. I've never been in love for 21 years, so you think I should be a monk then?

> The purpose of sex is to show great emotion and affection for another individual

I fuck you because I want to show how I am affected for you. Hmmm, a nice conception. I used to buy gifts to show my affection, but sex is much cheaper.

You sound awfully selfish and egocentric in this thread, evaluating everything from your point of view. The main job of the government should be to protect people and property, not to enforce "moral values" and tell me what to want.

Because it isn't a matter of opinion, it's a matter of what's right and what's absolutely wrong. I'm glad that prostitution is illegal in most states. Hopefully it remains this way for a very long time.

it's a matter of what's right and what's absolutely wrong.

Which is your opinion. If you're going to argue a position at least put forward a halfway decent argument besides "muh feels."

Which is your opinion. If you're going to argue a position at least put forward a halfway decent argument besides "muh feels."

This is the one thing about Liberals that I don't get. I put forth several arguments and examples to support my claims, and you're now saying that I haven't put forward anything. You just simply disagree with everything I'm saying, and you want me to say something that you agree with. I didn't say what you wanted to hear, and that's why you're saying that I should put forth an argument. If you read back some you can easily see what my stance is, provided with several arguments. I recommend yu do so.

Because it isn't a matter of opinion, it's a matter of what's right and what's absolutely wrong. I'm glad that prostitution is illegal in most states. Hopefully it remains this way for a very long time.

You know, 200 years ago in Maryland thinking about freeing black people was wrong.

 

Somehow you manage to ignore almost everything that was said here, including criminal statistics, pointless enforcement of illegal prostitution, various possibilities to organize it safely, etc. Never saw you replying to any of the above except saying "morale is good, don't have sex for money" and "I don't want to see it so it should be illegal". 

 

However, since the discussion is now about claiming things right or wrong, that's gonna be my last post here unless someone with a rational argument shows up. 

You know, 200 years ago in Maryland thinking about freeing black people was wrong.

Somehow you manage to ignore almost everything that was said here, including criminal statistics, pointless enforcement of illegal prostitution, various possibilities to organize it safely, etc. Never saw you replying to any of the above except saying "morale is good, don't have sex for money" and "I don't want to see it so it should be illegal".

However, since the discussion is now about claiming things right or wrong, that's gonna be my last post here unless someone with a rational argument shows up.

I did indeed respond to several of the arguments listed above. Again, it's just not the response that people want to hear. I'm one of the majority that's against legalizing prostitution, but one in the minority that's willing to state it loud and proud. We can debate all we like, but it's very likely to remain illegal. That's good news to me, and life moves on.

You also can't compare basic civil and equal rights to prostitution. You can't decide what color you'll be when you're born. All people are equal and serve equal opportunity and rights protected by the law. You aren't born a prostitute. You aren't born with the desire to have sex for money. You can't compare the two, because they're irrelevant to one another.

Edited March 24, 201511 yr by CriminalKillaz

..,unless someone with a rational argument shows up.

Don't hold your breath...

As some have said as long as it is regulated, why not. Just like weed or any other substance if it is regulated chances are things wouldnt be so bad. 

This is the one thing about Liberals that I don't get. I put forth several arguments and examples to support my claims, and you're now saying that I haven't put forward anything. You just simply disagree with everything I'm saying, and you want me to say something that you agree with. I didn't say what you wanted to hear, and that's why you're saying that I should put forth an argument. If you read back some you can easily see what my stance is, provided with several arguments. I recommend you do so.

 

Why do you always have to make this about liberals? If you quit being so arrogant and stop trying to make this into a left vs right issue, you can then see why sex isn't all about emotion, hell I don't look at sex like that. 

This is the one thing about Liberals that I don't get. I put forth several arguments and examples to support my claims, and you're now saying that I haven't put forward anything. You just simply disagree with everything I'm saying, and you want me to say something that you agree with. I didn't say what you wanted to hear, and that's why you're saying that I should put forth an argument. If you read back some you can easily see what my stance is, provided with several arguments. I recommend yu do so.

ive listed several responses to ur arguments 

 

 I'd rather not see a disgusting STD infected whore on the side of the road preaching sex and drugs to my children... no thanks.

 

Having sex in a car in an alley is disgusting, and should remain illegal. I can't imagine seeing or hearing something like that, and it be absolutely legal and protected under the US Constitution. 

 

if its legal its is taxed and regulated so no std and most probably they would only be in brothels like in Nevada.

 

It shouldn't be legal on the street. Sex in a car for money is absolutely disgusting. I can't even imagine walking down the street, and seeing people have sex in a car down an alley, and it be legal.

 

I challenged someone previously on this same topic, but they didn't respond. I'm sure that you'll come up with a response. 

Do you mind explaining how legalizing prostitution will help these things? What good will come out of it, and its impact on society?

 

to be clear if prostitution is legalized soliciting on the street will still be illegal.i doubt u would even be able to do house call all that would be legal is u going to the brothel

so you still wouldn't have sex in the street or car.

when this happens these are the results:

decrease in pimping 

decrease in stds

decrease in drugs

decrease in violence

decrease in rape

increase in taxes

labor rights

better allocation of law enforcement

decrease in human trafficking extortion blackmail

decrease poverty

decrease in the black market

increase focus on underage prostitution

 

 

 

 

Edited March 26, 201511 yr by Malediction
Fixed formatting - please don't use odd colours that are difficult to read.

Why do you always have to make this about liberals? If you quit being so arrogant and stop trying to make this into a left vs right issue, you can then see why sex isn't all about emotion, hell I don't look at sex like that.

Because it is about liberals. I'm only ever called arrogant by liberals or potential liberals. It is a left vs right issue, because I don't know a single Conservative that supports prostitution. Arguing with a liberal is like arguing with a wall, so I won't continue to argue. I can also see that you're getting angry, so that's my que go ahead and drop out if the discussion. Very typical for lefts to get angry. They usually talk very loudly and don't ever let anyone else speak. I'm used to it though.

Edited March 24, 201511 yr by CriminalKillaz

Prostitution is legal in the UK, and I agree with it being so. In terms of GDP, it makes up a surprisingly high percentage (still very low) for a single job that remains to be so unpopular among so many.

 

There is a clear correlation between the levels of prostitution and acquisitive crime, where those areas with more prostitutes have lower such crime. This, of course, is a good thing. However, we have also seen in our LPA that drug use has increased along with the amount of known prostitutes we have.

 

From the encounters I've had with Ladies and Men of the night, they have all been decent people who have taken what they do seriously and do their best to keep themselves clean from STI's and so on. I generally find that it is the people who use prostitutes to be much less desirable (although some are of course more than decent) and when cases where prostitutes are killed by their customers come to light I always feel that perhaps making it illegal would be a good idea - not that it would stop a murdered, but perhaps the person who was contemplating entering prostitution.

 

Like anything else, there are negative and positives to such things, but like my Economics teacher said ' the world revolves around sex' so I figure that it will always be around, much like drugs and alcohol, so why make it illegal?

ive listed several responses to ur arguments 

 

 I'd rather not see a disgusting STD infected whore on the side of the road preaching sex and drugs to my children... no thanks.

 

Having sex in a car in an alley is disgusting, and should remain illegal. I can't imagine seeing or hearing something like that, and it be absolutely legal and protected under the US Constitution. 

 

if its legal its is taxed and regulated so no std and most probably they would only be in brothels like in Nevada.

 

It shouldn't be legal on the street. Sex in a car for money is absolutely disgusting. I can't even imagine walking down the street, and seeing people have sex in a car down an alley, and it be legal.

 

I challenged someone previously on this same topic, but they didn't respond. I'm sure that you'll come up with a response. 

Do you mind explaining how legalizing prostitution will help these things? What good will come out of it, and its impact on society?

 

to be clear if prostitution is legalized soliciting on the street will still be illegal.i doubt u would even be able to do house call all that would be legal is u going to the brothel

so you still wouldn't have sex in the street or car.

when this happens these are the results:

decrease in pimping 

decrease in stds

decrease in drugs

decrease in violence

decrease in rape

increase in taxes

labor rights

better allocation of law enforcement

decrease in human trafficking extortion blackmail

decrease poverty

decrease in the black market

increase focus on underage prostitution

I can see how there would be a decrease in some of these things, but I fail to see how there would be a decrease in STDs, drugs, rape, poverty, and black market.

-Even if prostitutes are required to carry rubber or another form of birth control, there is still a chance of passing on STDs. Only condoms could prevent the spread, but even those break.

-Drugs would still be just as popular. I fail to see how legalizing prostitution would decrease drugs...

-Rape would still happen to people, prostitutes or not.

-Poverty would not disappear. Prostitution isn't exactly a very high paying job. If you want to make enough to make it a living you'd have to be on the corner all day. Sex is exhausting, I imagine.

-The black market of drugs and weapons is not going anywhere if prostitution is legalized. the black market of people? Yes. But it will still exist.

Edited March 25, 201511 yr by 1ian20

I can see how there would ne a decrease in some of these things, but I fail to see how there would be a decrease in STDs, drugs, rape, poverty, and black market.

-Even if prostitutes are required to carry rubber or another form of birth control, there is still a chance of passing on STDs. Only condoms could prevent the spread, but even those break.

-Drugs would still be just as popular. I fail to see how legalizing prostitution would decrease drugs...

-Rape would still happen to people, prostitutes or not.

-Poverty would not disappear. Prostitution isn't exactly a very high paying job. If you want to make enough to make it a living you'd have to be on the corner all day. Sex is exhausting, I imagine.

-The black market of drugs and weapons is not going anywhere if prostitution is legalized. the black market of people? Yes. But it will still exist.

i said decrease.

it would all be in brothels no hookers on the streets and no house calls. already in some high end brothels the client needs to be tested before he can have sex.these brothels would also lead to a decrease in drug usage.

i said decrease.

it would all be in brothels no hookers on the streets and no house calls. already in some high end brothels the client needs to be tested before he can have sex.these brothels would also lead to a decrease in drug usage.

I said decrease too.

The hookers in these brothels would still have STDs and they could still spread them to their clients. Also, if some one gets tested and does have an STD, what stops them from having sex on the street illegally? They will still find a way around it and have sex and further spread their STD. If anything, drugs would be very popular in brothels. If you haven't noticed, both prostitutes and their buyers tend to lean towards drugs quite a bit. Drugs would go nowhere.