I said decrease too.

The hookers in these brothels would still have STDs and they could still spread them to their clients. Also, if some one gets tested and does have an STD, what stops them from having sex on the street illegally? They will still find a way around it and have sex and further spread their STD. If anything, drugs would be very popular in brothels. If you haven't noticed, both prostitutes and their buyers tend to lean towards drugs quite a bit. Drugs would go nowhere.

 

the U.S. Department of Health consistently reports that only 3-5% of the sexually transmitted disease in this country is related to prostitution (compared with 30-35% among teenagers). There is no statistical indication in the U.S. that prostitutes are vectors of HIV. Although a small percentage of prostitutes may be HIV positive, William Darrow, CDC AIDS epidemiology official, cites no proven cases of HIV transmission from prostitutes to clients.

 

and heres a link about Nevadas prostitution

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Nevada

Edited March 25, 201511 yr by Bem18

 

the U.S. Department of Health consistently reports that only 3-5% of the sexually transmitted disease in this country is related to prostitution (compared with 30-35% among teenagers). There is no statistical indication in the U.S. that prostitutes are vectors of HIV. Although a small percentage of prostitutes may be HIV positive, William Darrow, CDC AIDS epidemiology official, cites no proven cases of HIV transmission from prostitutes to clients.

 

and heres a link about Nevadas prostitution

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Nevada

 

You do realize that HIV is not the only STD, correct? I am confused. Does this article pertain to all STDs or just HIV? It says STDs in the beginning, then goes on about HIV, which confused me.

You do realize that HIV is not the only STD, correct? I am confused. Does this article pertain to all STDs or just HIV? It says STDs in the beginning, then goes on about HIV, which confused me.

that i do know.

 

heres a better link

http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NAC/NAC-441A.html#NAC441ASec800

more links

http://www.bayswan.org/stats.html

http://www.debate.org/debates/Prostitution-should-be-legalised/1/

that i do know.

 

heres a better link

http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NAC/NAC-441A.html#NAC441ASec800

more links

http://www.bayswan.org/stats.html

http://www.debate.org/debates/Prostitution-should-be-legalised/1/

-Although this is a reputable link, it was conducted in the 80s, and I am sure those statistics have changes in roughly 30 years.

-Regarding the Nevada law: Although you must pass tests, nothing stops someone from having sex without a card. If that person has an STD, they can still easily spread it by illegal prostitution.

-I still fail to see how this will reduce assault/rape. Men would be able to legally buy women and then assault them. I don't see how that stops assault from occurring.

 

 

-I still fail to see how this will reduce assault/rape. Men would be able to legally buy women and then assault them. I don't see how that stops assault from occurring.

u cant really rape/assualt them in the brothel 

The standard explanation as to how legalized prostitution would help reduce those things is to look at the demand side. If legal prostitution can take a big chunk of the prostitution demand, then that makes illegal prostitution a harder business (people often prefer legal options if they're present). Rape in particular has the potential for a big change -- legal prostitution reduces the incentive for pimps to do that instead of doing other things, which (so the idea goes) reduces the incentive to force women into prostitution (which is rape). No one's talking about the black market of drugs and weapons, but reducing the black market of people has another, massive advantage: you don't want to put people into a situation where they're continually breaking the law if you can avoid it.

A prostitute currently has very little recourse if she is the victim of a crime; she can't very well call the police. When that happens, and someone can't call the cops if a crime is committed against them, it opens the door to some very ugly things (for another example, look at the culture of violence among drug dealers; for a third, look at how illegal immigrants are often treated by employers). As for crimes against legal prostitutes: Do you know the difference between an assault on an illegal prostitute and an assault on a grocery clerk? The latter can call the cops, press charges, and file lawsuits against their assailant. A prostitute who calls 911 will end up in jail herself. With drug dealers, the response is to arm and fight back, with the result of classic drug violence. With prostitution, the response seems to often be that criminals go unpunished. If a legal prostitute is assaulted or raped by a customer, she can press charges. She can file lawsuits for damages. She has the full protection of the legal system, as opposed to one who has to try to hide the assault from the cops. No, a card doesn't make a prostitute physically immune to assault. What it does is let them be properly protected by the law.

Failure to look at the demand side is one of the biggest issues with arguments about criminal consensual transactions. With drugs, most are now familiar with the argument that people want drugs and that drug dealers are a response to this demand, but that going after dealers won't help (more will just pop up as long as demand exists). This applies just as much to prostitution -- addressing supply seems doomed to failure, but something that drives down demand for street prostitution stands a very good chance of reducing the incidence of it. To the extent that street prostitution and legal, regulated, in-a-brothel prostitution are substitutes, legal prostitution has some serious advantages over illegal prostitution (e.g. you can't go to prison for it). What legalizing it does is introduce a competitor to street prostitution and give it advantages over current forms of prostitution. If this drives down the demand for street prostitution, then you don't *need* to worry about going after illegal prostitutes as much -- they'll exit the market voluntarily, because it's no longer as profitable.

The standard explanation as to how legalized prostitution would help reduce those things is to look at the demand side. If legal prostitution can take a big chunk of the prostitution demand, then that makes illegal prostitution a harder business (people often prefer legal options if they're present). Rape in particular has the potential for a big change -- legal prostitution reduces the incentive for pimps to do that instead of doing other things, which (so the idea goes) reduces the incentive to force women into prostitution (which is rape). No one's talking about the black market of drugs and weapons, but reducing the black market of people has another, massive advantage: you don't want to put people into a situation where they're continually breaking the law if you can avoid it. A prostitute currently has very little recourse if she is the victim of a crime; she can't very well call the police. When that happens, and someone can't call the cops if a crime is committed against them, it opens the door to some very ugly things (for another example, look at the culture of violence among drug dealers; for a third, look at how illegal immigrants are often treated by employers).

Failure to look at the demand side is one of the biggest issues with arguments about criminal consensual transactions. With drugs, most are now familiar with the argument that people want drugs and that drug dealers are a response to this demand, but that going after dealers won't help (more will just pop up as long as demand exists). This applies just as much to prostitution -- addressing supply seems doomed to failure, but something that drives down demand for street prostitution stands a very good chance of reducing the incidence of it. To the extent that street prostitution and legal, regulated, in-a-brothel prostitution are substitutes, legal prostitution has some serious advantages over illegal prostitution (e.g. you can't go to prison for it). What legalizing it does is introduce a competitor to street prostitution and give it advantages over current forms of prostitution. If this drives down the demand for street prostitution, then you don't *need* to worry about going after illegal prostitutes as much -- they'll exit the market voluntarily, because it's no longer as profitable.

Although the illegal prostitution would reduce, it would still exist. Wouldn't this just open up opportunity for underground prostitution rings and therefore more illegal human trafficking? Yes, it's illegal now, but I am not sure that legalizing it would stop what is currently happening. Correct me if I am wrong.

u cant really rape/assualt them in the brothel 

Would legalizing it mean that prostitution is only confined to a brothel? Or would there be prostitutes on the streets?

Although the illegal prostitution would reduce, it would still exist. Wouldn't this just open up opportunity for underground prostitution rings and therefore more illegal human trafficking? Yes, it's illegal now, but I am not sure that legalizing it would stop what is currently happening. Correct me if I am wrong.

Would legalizing it mean that prostitution is only confined to a brothel? Or would there be prostitutes on the streets?

legal prostitution would be limited to brothels only

Although the illegal prostitution would reduce, it would still exist. Wouldn't this just open up opportunity for underground prostitution rings and therefore more illegal human trafficking? Yes, it's illegal now, but I am not sure that legalizing it would stop what is currently happening. Correct me if I am wrong.

We already *have* underground prostitution rings and illegal human trafficking. One concern with legal prostitution would be if it increases total demand for sex-for-money, and that results in increased total demand for the illegal product. That's a legitimate concern; I don't know which way it'd cut. However, it's also a legitimate argument to claim that the legal market will be a good enough competitor that it will displace the illegal market; in that case, underground prostitution rings will shrink (for human trafficking, you'd probably also have to consider the labor market -- people who are willing to be prostitutes would presumably prefer to be legal ones if all else is equal, so if it increases total prostitution demand and drives willing prostitutes out of the illegal market, that might be filled with unwilling prostitutes [i.e. human trafficking and rape], but again, I'm just laying out possible arguments, and am not sure what actually would end up being the case).

No one thinks legalizing it would stop current issues; what many think is it'd reduce current issues. The main concern I'd see is if being a customer of a prostitute lost some of the social taboo, leading to an increase in illegal prostitution demand, or if it drives prices on illegal prostitution down massively (those are the only reasons I can think of where legalizing prostitution would lead to someone who didn't previously buy illegal prostitution deciding to do so). As for what'd actually happen among the options: no clue, this is just a basic economic analysis of some options.

We already *have* underground prostitution rings and illegal human trafficking. One concern with legal prostitution would be if it increases total demand for sex-for-money, and that results in increased total demand for the illegal product. That's a legitimate concern; I don't know which way it'd cut. However, it's also a legitimate argument to claim that the legal market will be a good enough competitor that it will displace the illegal market; in that case, underground prostitution rings will shrink (for human trafficking, you'd probably also have to consider the labor market -- people who are willing to be prostitutes would presumably prefer to be legal ones if all else is equal, so if it increases total prostitution demand and drives willing prostitutes out of the illegal market, that might be filled with unwilling prostitutes [i.e. human trafficking and rape], but again, I'm just laying out possible arguments, and am not sure what actually would end up being the case).

No one thinks legalizing it would stop current issues; what many think is it'd reduce current issues. The main concern I'd see is if being a customer of a prostitute lost some of the social taboo, leading to an increase in illegal prostitution demand, or if it drives prices on illegal prostitution down massively (those are the only reasons I can think of where legalizing prostitution would lead to someone who didn't previously buy illegal prostitution deciding to do so). As for what'd actually happen among the options: no clue, this is just a basic economic analysis of some options.

I feel as if there are many prostitutes and buyers as well that would not be so willing to do it legally, mainly because of drugs. I am convinced that most of the buyers as well as the prostitutes aren't exactly the best kind of people. Prostitutes are known (by my understanding) to do drugs. So would prostitutes be willing to give up a drug addiction to continue what they call a profession? They would be required to be tested every week, so it would mean no more drugs for them. This is another reason why I believe that the illegal prostitution would continue to thrive.

 

I feel as if there are many prostitutes and buyers as well that would not be so willing to do it legally, mainly because of drugs. I am convinced that most of the buyers as well as the prostitutes aren't exactly the best kind of people. Prostitutes are known (by my understanding) to do drugs. So would prostitutes be willing to give up a drug addiction to continue what they call a profession? They would be required to be tested every week, so it would mean no more drugs for them. This is another reason why I believe that the illegal prostitution would continue to thrive.

A couple things:

First, I don't think you can make a blanket statement that "prostitutes are known to do drugs." Of course some do, but to say that they all do is impossible. However, given their situation, is it really that surprising that drug abuse could be a problem? Someone that is a victim of drug addiction could be easily persuaded into becoming a prostitute. Given the nature of prostitution and human trafficking in general, drug abuse is an easy way for for pimps/traffickers to keep their victims under easy control. Drug abuse could also be a coping method for the realities of such a difficult life. I think in this thread we've forgotten that we're talking about human beings. Real people.

Second, testing in regards to legal prostitution would be for STDs, not drugs. However, an employer might be willing to have their workers drug tested (or this could be some kind of mandate required by legalization). This would do a number of positive things. It would create a incentive for sex workers to remain drug free if they wanted to remain employed. It could also provide an entry to treatment for a sex worker to rehabilitation. A prostitute on the street isn't going to take a drug test, and they're not going to get the help they need. Legalizing prostitution could potentially open some doors to people that need help.

Finally, no one is saying that legalizing prostitution is going to eliminate the illegal trade. However, it would almost certainly decrease it. A good comparison is drug/alcohol prohibition. When drugs or alcohol are prohibited, use goes up and an illegal market flourishes. When they're legal, use generally goes down and so does illegal activity. See National Prohibition or Colorado.

Edited March 25, 201511 yr by SIR_Sergeant

i said decrease.

it would all be in brothels no hookers on the streets and no house calls. already in some high end brothels the client needs to be tested before he can have sex.these brothels would also lead to a decrease in drug usage.

Now how exactly would these guidelines be enforced though? I can't see how prostitutions with guidelines can be enforced and monitored without it becoming absolutely legal.

Now how exactly would these guidelines be enforced though? I can't see how prostitutions with guidelines can be enforced and monitored without it becoming absolutely legal.

have u read the links i posted especially the nevada laws?

have u read the links i posted especially the nevada laws?

I'm having issues on my side and I'm not able I follow links on my current device. I'm not completely bombing the idea of legalizing prostitution. Don't get me wrong though, I still think it's fucked up. I just do not understand how you can legalize prostitution, but have rules and guidelines on it. How would these rules be monitored and enforced? I've read a few brief explanations of a response to my question, but nothing that could realistically hold water.

To me, it's like making blinking with one eye illegal. How the hell would you monitor that?

I'm having issues on my side and I'm not able I follow links on my current device. I'm not completely bombing the idea of legalizing prostitution. Don't get me wrong though, I still think it's fucked up. I just do not understand how you can legalize prostitution, but have rules and guidelines on it. How would these rules be monitored and enforced? I've read a few brief explanations of a response to my question, but nothing that could realistically hold water.

To me, it's like making blinking with one eye illegal. How the hell would you monitor that?

It would depend on the specifics of the legalization. A fairly straightforward plan could require all brothels to hold some kind of license and be subject to routine inspections for appropriate business practices. Any brothels operating without the proper licenses or engaging in prohibited business practices would be shut down or face some kind of legal action/fines.

It might not be easy but by all means it would be better than the status quo.

It would depend on the specifics of the legalization. A fairly straightforward plan could require all brothels to hold some kind of license and be subject to routine inspections for appropriate business practices. Any brothels operating without the proper licenses or engaging in prohibited business practices would be shut down or face some kind of legal action/fines.

It might not be easy but by all means it would be better than the status quo.

I think the issue I'm having here is that I just simply don't understand this, right here.

Are you saying that prostitution would happen in certain, legal, secluded areas and require a license? How would these licenses be checked, and by who? It's the specifics of the legalization that makes me not support that all. I just don't understand, or see, how this could logically work, under the law. My personal opinion doesn't mean anything. If it's legal, I'll defend it because you have that right. I just don't understand how it would work. Seems like the system would be difficult to monitor and upkeep. I'll follow the links when I get home.

Edited March 25, 201511 yr by CriminalKillaz

Not my call, but if someone wants to blow their money on some STD ridden hooker, that's not my problem.

 

Sgt. T. J.Hooker doesn't like hookers.

I like how CK says "you can't enforce legal prostitution so keep it illegal". You think gun laws in the US are perfectly enforced? Maybe outlaw the gun ownership. 

 

Again, not only Nevada has legal prostitution, Canada and Australia too. They do somehow enforce it, just like any other legitimate businesses. Every registered brothel will have to prove that employees have passed the medical examination by a trusted doctor time to time, say monthly. If they fail, or they fake the examination certificate, they got their license taken. Simple as that. 

I think the issue I'm having here is that I just simply don't understand this, right here.

Are you saying that prostitution would happen in certain, legal, secluded areas and require a license? How would these licenses be checked, and by who? It's the specifics of the legalization that makes me not support that all. I just don't understand, or see, how this could logically work, under the law. My personal opinion doesn't mean anything. If it's legal, I'll defend it because you have that right. I just don't understand how it would work. Seems like the system would be difficult to monitor and upkeep. I'll follow the links when I get home.

  

I like how CK says "you can't enforce legal prostitution so keep it illegal". You think gun laws in the US are perfectly enforced? Maybe outlaw the gun ownership. 

 

Again, not only Nevada has legal prostitution, Canada and Australia too. They do somehow enforce it, just like any other legitimate businesses. Every registered brothel will have to prove that employees have passed the medical examination by a trusted doctor time to time, say monthly. If they fail, or they fake the examination certificate, they got their license taken. Simple as that.

I think Hastings addressed your concerns pretty well. It may be a different type of business in comparison to what most are but the models to follow already exist.

Of course no regulatory system will be perfect, none are. Writing quality legislation and policy isn't easy. I've written mock legislation and read plenty of real legislation. Enforcing it can be even more difficult but it gets done regardless.

I like how CK says "you can't enforce legal prostitution so keep it illegal". You think gun laws in the US are perfectly enforced? Maybe outlaw the gun ownership. 

 

Again, not only Nevada has legal prostitution, Canada and Australia too. They do somehow enforce it, just like any other legitimate businesses. Every registered brothel will have to prove that employees have passed the medical examination by a trusted doctor time to time, say monthly. If they fail, or they fake the examination certificate, they got their license taken. Simple as that.

That's not what I'm saying at all but okay lol.