"Mercury is good for you / Vaccines are safe and effective, no side effects / Iraq has nukes / Guns are dangerous, and people who own them are terrorists / Returning Veterans should be forced to live in Sanitariums for our safety / Yes the power plants are leaking but it might be good for your skin / The Freedom of speech is dangerous and needs to be taken away / The Fluoride in Tap Water is good for you! / People who don't trust the Government should be put in camps (no joke, Eric Holder - 1986) / I'm not a Crook / I did not have sexual relations with that woman / Cigarettes make you younger (I hate that I smoke) / Alcohol makes you smarter / 9/11 was not an inside job" -United States Government

Why do you still believe a word that they say?

Yes. Guns are dangerous. I don't care how safe you feel having one. It wouldn't make me feel better, knowing I have something that is designed for nothing but killing people. Guns are horrible.

Your faulty assumption is assuming those crashes were more violent than AA77. The Pentagon is reinforced concrete. The section AA77 hit had actually just been further reinforced. It hit it pretty much dead-on, at maximum speed. In contrast, neither other flight was at high speed, because in neither other case were the pilots trying to fly at maximum speed into a wall. AF477 crashed at ~120 knots. AA77 crashed at ~470. AF477 hit water; AA77 hit reinforced concrete head-on. I can't find crash speeds for Helios 522, but seeing as it was a properly-trimmed flight with both engines flamed out, I doubt it crashed at speeds much higher than AF477 (it didn't plummet out of the sky, it was in a glide controlled by the autopilot).

Seriously, here's what happens when thin aluminum flies at high speed into reinforced concrete (notice how it pretty much totally disintegrates):

Black boxes are not infinitely strong. They're rated for accelerations of 3400g for 6.5 milliseconds. Past that point, mechanical stress can break open a box. They are not designed for aircraft flying at high speed into a solid wall, because accidental crashes generally do not happen that way (pilots aren't going that fast at low altitude, as a general rule). Their fire rating is assuming the box is intact; the bottom of the CVR case separated from the rest, allowing the fire to enter and make the tape unrecoverable (the FDR data was recoverable, and was recovered).

As for tail sections: Plane tails are not invincible. With a lower-velocity impact, the tail has a better chance at surviving. AA77 was higher-velocity than AA477 by a factor of 4. Kinetic energy goes with velocity squared, so it had 16 times more energy (controlling for mass) than AA477. Don't expect the crashes to be identical.

 

Okay, thats a valid argument with regards to the higher airspeeds. Although the video of the F-4 crashing into the reinforced wall was effective in proving the destruction of an aircraft entirely, however the aircraft is only a tiny aircraft in comparison to the 757, and the wall was obviously much thicker than the reinforced walls in the pentagon, but yes it does prove that at such high speeds it can leave little evidence of an aircraft behind. 

Yes. Guns are dangerous. I don't care how safe you feel having one. It wouldn't make me feel better, knowing I have something that is designed for nothing but killing people. Guns are horrible.

Well that's your opinion and way off topic. I brought it up in a group of other lies my government has told me over my 41 years, and then summed it up with a point. This topic is over whether or not people believe the U.S. Government had anything to do with 9/11. Thank you for your input (ignorant as it may be) and have a wonderful day :)

 

Saudi Arabia funded Al Qaeda (now ISIS). 

i hate to get off topic but this is a pet peeve of mine when it comes to terrorist organizations, ISIS is not a part of Al Qaeda in any way its actually Documented in many Cases that Al Qaeda Denounces ISIS For being too violent.. yes that's right ISIS is too violent for Al Qaeda just wanted to make that known

 

as for the topic at hand I've seen Substantial Evidence supporting both sides i think the fact that there's a group of Architects that have formed together to say that 9/11 was an inside job simply for the fact the towers actually fell from planes flying into them and them saying that there had to have been help is very interesting However I've also heard A LOT of stupid shit come out of Conspiracy Theorist's Mouth's... some of whom are actually in this Community, I Can't really Say for sure. I Certainly Couldn't live in this Country if i heard the Government Set this whole thing up and Killed thousands of its own People, Considering This Country is already Hypocritical Hearing that the Government would do the very thing they hate others doing more than anything is just too much for me personally I'd move to Canada.. Also when i heard the FBI got tipped off about this attack a month in advance and did nothing that pissed me off. its a bit suspicious but i still believe it was terrorists that did this.. and whats fucked up is we're doing exactly what they wanted, they knew they wouldn't kill off all of our troops in iraq or afghanistan but they knew that they could break our bank over a long extended war... we gave them what they wanted and played right into it, now we're in a debt crisis because of all the money we spent on this war on terror and look where its gotten us.. now ISIS is the most dangerous Terroristic Group since the Nazi's, far worse than Al Qaeda in my opinion.. you kinda have to look back at these wars and think what was this for? all the lives we lost there, the good men that died protecting this country, just for the land to get taken back by these assholes.. just look at fallujah, this whole situation since the Mid 90's has been a farce..  Also alot of people never mention this. but another Supporting Point that leads to this Being Terrorists doing 9/11 is that Terrorists have already Tried attacked the WTC before 2001, Cite the WTC Attack on 2/26/1993 lead by Khalid Sheikh Mohammed a Close Friend of Osama Bin Laden alot of the Conspiracy theorists Never take that into Consideration that 9/11 was really Finishing what they started in the 90's and you never really ever saw any conspiracy theory's about the 93 attack.. 

 

that was alot, thanks for reading

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Almost, it wasn't the U.S government, it was the FUTURE U.S, or should I say WORLD government which consists of the Illuminati.

Serious: No, I don't think the US would sacrifice that many people just to kill some more terrorists.

i hate to get off topic but this is a pet peeve of mine when it comes to terrorist organizations, ISIS is not a part of Al Qaeda in any way its actually Documented in many Cases that Al Qaeda Denounces ISIS For being too violent.. yes that's right ISIS is too violent for Al Qaeda just wanted to make that known

 

I thought IS was founded by former Al Qaeda members?

Strong no from me.

 

Why would the government do this? Many say they did it/let it happen to minimize america's freedom, to justify the war on terrorism and whatnot. But then again, why? Why would the government want to take away your freedom, why would they want a war on terrorism, why would they want the oil... if not for the american people? I don't understand what the american government would haven gotten out of this all, it makes no sense. They have a lot of very smart people, they would have done it very differently and not let any room for conspiracy. I think that a huge even like this is very difficult to understand cause something like this never happened before and there is no scientific research as to how such a big building would actually react in such a situation... it was the very first time, and therefor there are no similar events to be compared to. Just my two cents.

Well that's your opinion and way off topic. I brought it up in a group of other lies my government has told me over my 41 years, and then summed it up with a point. This topic is over whether or not people believe the U.S. Government had anything to do with 9/11. Thank you for your input (ignorant as it may be) and have a wonderful day :)

Ignorance is a strong factor in the misinformed America of today. Just do and believe what's right, and you're helping make America a better place! :)

911 was done to take away our rights and to get the new world order kicking...george bush sr made a speech about this" it is a big idea, a new world order"...on 9-11-91, I find it funny that there are still people on here that actually believe the fairy tale that is the 9 11 report which was a half assed investigation and more money was spent investigating Clintons sex scandal then 911 also three buildings collapsed that day and only two planes hit, bbc reported building 7 collapsed 23 minutes before the actual collapse when it was still intact on air, it is IMPOSSIBLE for fire to bring down two buildings at free fall speed and no resistance what so ever hell bush couldn't even keep his story straight on wherer he was at on 911 and people believe a lying government? LOL oh and the patriot act was passed shortly after, norad was running drills that day simulating hijacked jets and they were given the stand down order by dick cheney so for all you deniers out there why did the fbi confiscate 84 out of the 85 cameras around the pentagon? whats the government hiding? bin laden is NOT wanted for 911 the fbi stated that they have no hard evidence linking him to the attacks its not listed under his name for indictments, he was a cia assement tim Osman, fire fighters reported numerous explosions I think I trust them and the people that were at ground zero then a bunch of clueless people on an lcpdfr site who didn't do an ounce of research on the topic 

911 was done to take away our rights and to get the new world order kicking...george bush sr made a speech about this" it is a big idea, a new world order"...on 9-11-91, I find it funny that there are still people on here that actually believe the fairy tale that is the 9 11 report which was a half assed investigation and more money was spent investigating Clintons sex scandal then 911 also three buildings collapsed that day and only two planes hit, bbc reported building 7 collapsed 23 minutes before the actual collapse when it was still intact on air, it is IMPOSSIBLE for fire to bring down two buildings at free fall speed and no resistance what so ever hell bush couldn't even keep his story straight on wherer he was at on 911 and people believe a lying government? LOL oh and the patriot act was passed shortly after, norad was running drills that day simulating hijacked jets and they were given the stand down order by dick cheney so for all you deniers out there why did the fbi confiscate 84 out of the 85 cameras around the pentagon? whats the government hiding? bin laden is NOT wanted for 911 the fbi stated that they have no hard evidence linking him to the attacks its not listed under his name for indictments, he was a cia assement tim Osman, fire fighters reported numerous explosions I think I trust them and the people that were at ground zero then a bunch of clueless people on an lcpdfr site who didn't do an ounce of research on the topic

Thanks for the laugh, really needed that right now. I'll edit this post later with my official response.

now we're in a debt crisis because of all the money we spent on this war on terror and look where its gotten us.. 

I agree with most of what you said, but I'd like to address this part. The debt/economical crisis which started in 2007-2008 and spread to the rest of the world was caused by the Subprimes mortgage crisis, not by the money spent on war (it's actually proven that a war is good for economy, as odd as it seems).

I agree with most of what you said, but I'd like to address this part. The debt/economical crisis which started in 2007-2008 and spread to the rest of the world was caused by the Subprimes mortgage crisis, not by the money spent on war (it's actually proven that a war is good for economy, as odd as it seems).

Confirmed. Our family lost our house during this time, and so did everyone else on the block. We paid $1M for that house too :(. I guess all good things must comes an end.

It was in an inside job, someone planted bombs from the inside because they wouldn't fall down that way only by just hitting a plane.

NO IT WASN'T  get off it already and stop bringing this shit up

yes our gubbermints are out to get us oh no 911

Almost, it wasn't the U.S government, it was the FUTURE U.S, or should I say WORLD government which consists of the Illuminati.

Serious: No, I don't think the US would sacrifice that many people just to kill some more terrorists.

 

I thought IS was founded by former Al Qaeda members?

No however they did Pledge allegiance to Al Qaeda in 2004 before it was broken by the AQ with the statements i made before.

 

I agree with most of what you said, but I'd like to address this part. The debt/economical crisis which started in 2007-2008 and spread to the rest of the world was caused by the Subprimes mortgage crisis, not by the money spent on war (it's actually proven that a war is good for economy, as odd as it seems).

Yes but it was not completely the Mortgage Crisis, This war in particular was not good for our economy you can look up the stats and see that Combined the US has spent around $4 Trillion in Iraq and Afghanistan over the years, that money could have been spent Elsewhere that's all im saying, the dumb government Spending in Afghanistan is retarded, im not saying that not spending that $4 Trillion would have saved the economy because it probably couldn't and they probably would have spent it in some other dumb way, im just saying the war is responsible for a bulk sum of wasted money. here's a great Example of what im talking about..

 

NO IT WASN'T  get off it already and stop bringing this shit up

that's a really grown up and Productive reply you got there K-9, Feeling a bit chippy today? 

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As a Brit, we (speaking for most of us, hopefully) never, ever have any thoughts other than it was a terrible tragedy out of which came a war that was both necessary and unnecessary in one way or another. A plane couldn't have easily bought down either of the buildings, but then again it wasn't the actual collisions themselves. Jet fuel has been shown to have caused a weakened structure which eventually caused them to fall.

Did Bush want a war? Arguable

Did 9/11 give him an excuse to start one, assuming the answer to my first question was yes? Yes

Did he or the government have anything to do with the attack? Safe to say no and good luck proving otherwise.

 

Even if the government had something to do with it, there is nothing you could do (short of a mass rebellion). So instead lets just remember those that died and hope that nothing like this ever happens again. Only today a terrorist attack was carried out in Tunisia.

 

Well that's my 2 cents anyway.

I can tell you that the 9/11 attacks were NOT an inside job, prior to 9/11 I was a member of NYPD's joint terrorism task force we went around the city taking down terrorist who had explosives in their possession, we knew an attack was imminent on 9/11 but lacked enough intel to stop it so NO,the attacks were not an inside job the were as stated acts of terror carried out by members of al quada period.As for the way the buildings imploded that was part of the design structure which failed due to the excessive heat from the burning jet fuel taking down the upper floors.

Jet fuel cant melt steel beams

Strong no from me.

 

Why would the government do this? Many say they did it/let it happen to minimize america's freedom, to justify the war on terrorism and whatnot. But then again, why? Why would the government want to take away your freedom, why would they want a war on terrorism, why would they want the oil... if not for the american people? I don't understand what the american government would haven gotten out of this all, it makes no sense. They have a lot of very smart people, they would have done it very differently and not let any room for conspiracy. I think that a huge even like this is very difficult to understand cause something like this never happened before and there is no scientific research as to how such a big building would actually react in such a situation... it was the very first time, and therefor there are no similar events to be compared to. Just my two cents.

well, in the 1930, many jews began to have outlandish claims of the Germans capturing them and sedning them to death camps where they are sent to gas chambers and worked to death. Nobody believed them, but look what happened next

As a Brit, we (speaking for most of us, hopefully) never, ever have any thoughts other than it was a terrible tragedy out of which came a war that was both necessary and unnecessary in one way or another. A plane couldn't have easily bought down either of the buildings, but then again it wasn't the actual collisions themselves. Jet fuel has been shown to have caused a weakened structure which eventually caused them to fall.

Did Bush want a war? Arguable

Did 9/11 give him an excuse to start one, assuming the answer to my first question was yes? Yes

Did he or the government have anything to do with the attack? Safe to say no and good luck proving otherwise.

 

Even if the government had something to do with it, there is nothing you could do (short of a mass rebellion). So instead lets just remember those that died and hope that nothing like this ever happens again. Only today a terrorist attack was carried out in Tunisia.

 

Well that's my 2 cents anyway.

once again, jet fuel can not melt steel beams

Im sorry if I offended you guys, but I have a hard time believing a bunch of Jihads who barely know how to use and AK-47, where able to learn how to fly a jet liner withing a year, and successfully fly them into US landmarks and government buildings

i hate to get off topic but this is a pet peeve of mine when it comes to terrorist organizations, ISIS is not a part of Al Qaeda in any way its actually Documented in many Cases that Al Qaeda Denounces ISIS For being too violent.. yes that's right ISIS is too violent for Al Qaeda just wanted to make that known

 

as for the topic at hand I've seen Substantial Evidence supporting both sides i think the fact that there's a group of Architects that have formed together to say that 9/11 was an inside job simply for the fact the towers actually fell from planes flying into them and them saying that there had to have been help is very interesting However I've also heard A LOT of stupid shit come out of Conspiracy Theorist's Mouth's... some of whom are actually in this Community, I Can't really Say for sure. I Certainly Couldn't live in this Country if i heard the Government Set this whole thing up and Killed thousands of its own People, Considering This Country is already Hypocritical Hearing that the Government would do the very thing they hate others doing more than anything is just too much for me personally I'd move to Canada.. Also when i heard the FBI got tipped off about this attack a month in advance and did nothing that pissed me off. its a bit suspicious but i still believe it was terrorists that did this.. and whats fucked up is we're doing exactly what they wanted, they knew they wouldn't kill off all of our troops in iraq or afghanistan but they knew that they could break our bank over a long extended war... we gave them what they wanted and played right into it, now we're in a debt crisis because of all the money we spent on this war on terror and look where its gotten us.. now ISIS is the most dangerous Terroristic Group since the Nazi's, far worse than Al Qaeda in my opinion.. you kinda have to look back at these wars and think what was this for? all the lives we lost there, the good men that died protecting this country, just for the land to get taken back by these assholes.. just look at fallujah, this whole situation since the Mid 90's has been a farce..  Also alot of people never mention this. but another Supporting Point that leads to this Being Terrorists doing 9/11 is that Terrorists have already Tried attacked the WTC before 2001, Cite the WTC Attack on 2/26/1993 lead by Khalid Sheikh Mohammed a Close Friend of Osama Bin Laden alot of the Conspiracy theorists Never take that into Consideration that 9/11 was really Finishing what they started in the 90's and you never really ever saw any conspiracy theory's about the 93 attack.. 

 

that was alot, thanks for reading

yeah, there is none because unlike 9/11, there was good substantial evidenced that proves that they did it.

 

yeah, there is none because unlike 9/11, there was good substantial evidenced that proves that they did it.

unlike is the wrong word to use there.

People sit and wait for something to happen just so they can point their fingers at the U.S. Government...

People sit and wait for something to happen just so they can point their fingers at the U.S. Government...

Can't really blame them. The US government isn't necessarily the most.. popular, persé, of organizations. Worldwide on that matter.