So today I organized a plan. I set up a table outside in the ghetto's of north Philadelphia with applications for concealed carry and 20 dollar money orders to pay for the service. the purpose of my organization is to encourage black men and women to arm themselves legally. Typically young black individuals ages 18 to 21. My purpose is not to create static but rather encourage them to arm themselves in accordance to law and follow it properly. I managed to get 40 Applications in and paid for. I will be following up with them. The money comes out of my own account as I feel I am servicing the black community and educating them by doing so. I am so proud of myself and tomorrow I plan to continue this service until I have well over 2,000 African American Men and Women. Then I can take my services state wide. In other words Although I am a felon doesn't mean I can't establish a well regulated militia. Right.  Your thoughts yea or nay ?

Uhh, shouldn't you leave the concealed carry permits up to the authorities?. i see this going anywhere but good. Plus i'm not sure of the Philadelphia Law, but don't you need a permit to do that kind of stuff?

 

 

 

In other words Although I am a felon doesn't mean I can't establish a well regulated militia. Right

 

So what you're essentially saying is.. even though you're a felon you're going to take the law into your own hands and create a militia? 

Yeah, well, sure, whatever. 

 

The more topics you make, the more I become convinced that you're just trolling. 

 

Either that or you can freely dispense $40k. 

My personal opinion is that someone with a felony related to a firearm will not be seen favorably when leading / dealing with a militia group, or anything related to weapons for that matter.

Yeah, well, sure, whatever. 

 

The more topics you make, the more I become convinced that you're just trolling. 

 

Either that or you can freely dispense $40k. 

:) Im glad you take me for jokes, Keep sleeping buddy.

Uhh, shouldn't you leave the concealed carry permits up to the authorities?. i see this going anywhere but good. Plus i'm not sure of the Philadelphia Law, but don't you need a permit to do that kind of stuff?

 

 

So what you're essentially saying is.. even though you're a felon you're going to take the law into your own hands and create a militia? 

I am not breaking the law By encouraging and helping the young black youth obtain conceal carry permits. Organizing a militia doesn't mean I have to have a gun.  The president is commander in Chief of The Armed forces, and he doesn't carry a gun.  The militia I am organizing Will be strictly lawful. They will have custom badges, shoulder mics, and uniforms made to help keep the community safe. Cops can't be there all the time right. So we will stand our ground much like Florida. In case of the badges and shoulder Mic I was told told as long as the badges didn't say police officer and we weren't using the shoulder mic to evade police duties then we were fine.

So in other words, you're trying to create your own police force of vigilantes because you couldn't get into the police force yourself?

 

Righto.

hmmm. well if this were a post about organizing neighborhood watches with civilians with radios i would say okay. but arming people to roam the streets looking for trouble are actually doing just that literally. if one of your people were to approach someone and the person is shot, it could be taken that your guy is guilty because he went to the situation with purpose instead of doing what he is supposed to do..observe and call the police. simply because someone says he is doing good for the neighborhood does not mean the judges/law enforcement will see it that way.

 

i wont condemn the idea, but arming anyone just to do it doesn't make sense. more guns equals more shootings.

:) Im glad you take me for jokes, Keep sleeping buddy.

I am not breaking the law By encouraging and helping the young black youth obtain conceal carry permits. Organizing a militia doesn't mean I have to have a gun.  The president is commander in Chief of The Armed forces, and he doesn't carry a gun.  The militia I am organizing Will be strictly lawful. They will have custom badges, shoulder mics, and uniforms made to help keep the community safe. Cops can't be there all the time right. So we will stand our ground much like Florida. In case of the badges and shoulder Mic I was told told as long as the badges didn't say police officer and we weren't using the shoulder mic to evade police duties then we were fine.

 

What you just described is also a crime and felony.. it's called impersonating a police officer. If you're wearing a uniform that looks like a police uniform you WILL be arrested for impersonating a police officer. especially if you're wearing a badge and shoulder mic. 

 

What you're doing is trying to create you're own police force, Which is the most stupidest thing i have ever heard (and i have seen and heard some stupid things). You can't take the law into your own hands, the only thing that you can do on a felony charge that is remotely close to law enforcement is either be a Bounty Hunter or Security Guard. Just give up your dream of being some type of police officer.. because it's not going to happen.

 

Link to the wikipedia page for police impersonation - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_impersonation

 In other words Although I am a felon doesn't mean I can't establish a well regulated militia. Right.  Your thoughts yea or nay ?

 

My thoughts is that on several other topics you were begging people to stop refering to you as a felon, but you can't stop placing it everytime you can. "I'm a felon, I'm a felon, hey hey, did you know? I'm a felon!"

:) Im glad you take me for jokes, Keep sleeping buddy.

I am not breaking the law By encouraging and helping the young black youth obtain conceal carry permits. Organizing a militia doesn't mean I have to have a gun.  The president is commander in Chief of The Armed forces, and he doesn't carry a gun.  The militia I am organizing Will be strictly lawful. They will have custom badges, shoulder mics, and uniforms made to help keep the community safe. Cops can't be there all the time right. So we will stand our ground much like Florida. In case of the badges and shoulder Mic I was told told as long as the badges didn't say police officer and we weren't using the shoulder mic to evade police duties then we were fine.

Thanks, but its 1pm here and I'm up already! :D

 

Well, let's count it. 

 

First you create a topic about signing a petition to support felons. 

 

Second, you create a topic about joining a police dept with a felony charge, receive a ton of replies like "you probably won't".

 

Third, you create a topic about how you were wearing an NYPD badge and got caught with it. That was so, uuummm, naive, perhaps. Everyone understands you can't carry a thing that identifies you as an official if you ain't that official. 

 

Now you create a topic about creating your own militia and comparing yourself with the US President, speaking about uniforms, guns, badges, and so on. 

 

Now, if I were to organize a neighbor protection group giving gun permits would be the last thing I'd do. I would have consulted a lawyer and applied for necessary permits to organize the group, and only then I'd start to recruit members. 

 

Don't know how to say this right, but the majority of your topics state very strange things. It looks like you're just trying to provoke people for reactions. 'cause if you were seriously into organizing a group and spend that much money on it you would have done a full research on the necessary things. 

Edited January 26, 201511 yr by Hastings

Well I personally agree with you encouraging the public to arm themselves. But can we not only encourage Black people? Can you simply encourage ALL citizens in your area to carry? Folks often forget that our right to keep and bear arms isn't just for self defense.... It was created so that the general public could have a fighting chance in 2 bad scenarios. 1.) A foreign enemy invades 2.) Our own government turns against us and no longer follows the orders of the people.

 

But firearms are also used for self defense. Here in Texas, there's case after case of people thwarting home invaders and even some attempted rape cases due to gun owners. In L.A., Chicago, and New York however, they seem to just call the police while it happens. The police show up well after the crime occurred, which sometimes ends up being a murder. Arm yourselves.

 

But don't just encourage concealed carry... The 2'nd amendment also protects openly carrying firearms. (But be sure to check with your State/City/County laws on how to properly do it first so you don't get people arrested.

 

Thank you for continuing to be a part of the community.

Edited January 26, 201511 yr by Steele1925

So in other words, you're trying to create your own police force of vigilantes because you couldn't get into the police force yourself?

 

Righto.

:) UHH  sir I think I made it clear as to what I plan to accomplish. But hey if you got ^ this from what I said then go back and proof read. OK :) 

:) UHH  sir I think I made it clear as to what I plan to accomplish. But hey if you got ^ this from what I said then go back and proof read. OK :) 

They will have custom badges, shoulder mics, and uniforms made to help keep the community safe.

If that's not a private police force I don't know what is.

Well I personally agree with you encouraging the public to arm themselves. But can we not only encourage Black people? Can you simply encourage ALL citizens in your area to carry? Folks often forget that our right to keep and bear arms isn't just for self defense.... It was created so that the general public could have a fighting chance in 2 bad scenarios. 1.) A foreign enemy invades 2.) Our own government turns against us and no longer follows the orders of the people.

 

But firearms are also used for self defense. Here in Texas, there's case after case of people thwarting home invaders and even some attempted rape cases due to gun owners. In L.A., Chicago, and New York however, they seem to just call the police while it happens. The police show up well after the crime occurred, which sometimes ends up being a murder. Arm yourselves.

 

But don't just encourage concealed carry... The 2'nd amendment also protects openly carrying firearms. (But be sure to check with your State/City/County laws on how to properly do it first so you don't get people arrested.

 

Thank you for continuing to be a part of the community.

:) Thank you sir  As of now I am not recruiting any other races other than African American's mainly because my goal is to show America that my people can be productive law abiding citizens in America, and keep our own community safe without racially profiling,  using excessive force, or illegal choke holds. We can simply just use skill, tactics, knowledge of the ghetto, and a simple citizens arrest. From there would could catch anyone placing our community under harm or attack and make citizens arrest  turning them over to local authorities.  But hey The plan is laid out for you bro, Organize some righteous People of your kind. Hey we may need to come together soon right :) I am trying to organize unity in the community of my people. This can even make the job of police officers much more easier.

 

Thank again man. :) 

You sound like a complete nut.

 

There is no reason in an urban city to start arming a particular race, and a particular race only with concealed handguns. If anything, you're just going to make up more problems rather than solve them. In my own personal opinion, concealed carry only works if everybody has it, or nobody has it. Arming only a particular race of people for whatever reason will make everyone paranoid, and others target them for theft, and police action, theoretically. 

 

Well regulated? Please. They're going to take their classes and never hear from them again. 

 

And as for a militia, what? There is no impending Crisis in Phili, and even if there was, there are 3 levels of Law Enforcement and military on standby. Boko Haram hasn't moved in next door. Last time I checked it was still 70 year old Ms. Stevens. 

 

In no way am I in favor of taking away the second amendment, but only arming some people with the intentions of a "War" (That's what Militia Means) in my opinion, sounds completely unnecessary to say the least, and will only result in more problems in violence. I honestly believe more people with guns is bad, since so many people despite classes and regulations don't use them properly, of course in addition to those that obtain them illegally.

Edited January 26, 201511 yr by Mr.Quiggles

Thanks, but its 1pm here and I'm up already! :D

 

Well, let's count it. 

 

First you create a topic about signing a petition to support felons. 

 

Second, you create a topic about joining a police dept with a felony charge, receive a ton of replies like "you probably won't".

 

Third, you create a topic about how you were wearing an NYPD badge and got caught with it. That was so, uuummm, naive, perhaps. Everyone understands you can't carry a thing that identifies you as an official if you ain't that official. 

 

Now you create a topic about creating your own militia and comparing yourself with the US President, speaking about uniforms, guns, badges, and so on. 

 

Now, if I were to organize a neighbor protection group giving gun permits would be the last thing I'd do. I would have consulted a lawyer and applied for necessary permits to organize the group, and only then I'd start to recruit members. 

 

Don't know how to say this right, but the majority of your topics state very strange things. It looks like you're just trying to provoke people for reactions. 'cause if you were seriously into organizing a group and spend that much money on it you would have done a full research on the necessary things. 

:) Sir If you were really following my post the proper way you would saw that there were many post that instructed me to be beneficial to my community. If I'm paying money out of my own pocket to help the youth of Young African Americans, am I not servicing my community? Next off as a felon It is also nearly impossible for me to get a job(Although I have been applying) I will not sit around and waste my life doing nothing waiting for some employer to stereotype my character much like people on this forum has. Instead I chose to make myself useful to my community. Big deal.

Furthermore, Everything you have said you would do has already been done. I have been doing my homework on this situation for 1 year now. And have contacted local authorities, that have given me information about badges, shoulder mics, Etc..... I have even taken their badge numbers. I will not let 1 felony keep me being productive.  Plus my scientific mentality won't allow me to do so.:) I am always thinking. :)

 

Thank you for your time sir. :)

What you just described is also a crime and felony.. it's called impersonating a police officer. If you're wearing a uniform that looks like a police uniform you WILL be arrested for impersonating a police officer. especially if you're wearing a badge and shoulder mic. 

 

What you're doing is trying to create you're own police force, Which is the most stupidest thing i have ever heard (and i have seen and heard some stupid things). You can't take the law into your own hands, the only thing that you can do on a felony charge that is remotely close to law enforcement is either be a Bounty Hunter or Security Guard. Just give up your dream of being some type of police officer.. because it's not going to happen.

 

Link to the wikipedia page for police impersonation - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_impersonation

:) Sir as stated before I have already spoken with local law authorities who have told me that a custom badge that doesn't display the word police officer as well as a uniform that doesn't is not considered police impersonation. I have taken these officers badge numbers, as well as voice recorded them.

 

This plan has been strategically Tested for one year now.  badges, uniforms, and mics will come later after I have established a name recruited enough people to split into units, and spread them over different counties. Once I have earned enough money I will then open up a building creating my first district for my department. 

Tell me this is a joke, I can't see any good coming out of this, forming your own militia, is the under attack or something? You might just want to stick to getting a job.

You sound like a complete nut.

 

There is no reason in an urban city to start arming a particular race, and a particular race only with concealed handguns. If anything, you're just going to make up more problems rather than solve them. In my own personal opinion, concealed carry only works if everybody has it, or nobody has it. Arming only a particular race of people for whatever reason will make everyone paranoid, and others target them for theft, and police action, theoretically. 

 

Well regulated? Please. They're going to take their classes and never hear from them again. 

 

And as for a militia, what? There is no impending Crisis in Phili, and even if there was, there are 3 levels of Law Enforcement and military on standby. Boko Haram hasn't moved in next door. Last time I checked it was still 70 year old Ms. Stevens. 

 

In no way am I in favor of taking away the second amendment, but only arming some people with the intentions of a "War" (That's what Militia Means) in my opinion, sounds completely unnecessary to say the least, and will only result in more problems in violence. I honestly believe more people with guns is bad, since so many people despite classes and regulations don't use them properly, of course in addition to those that obtain them illegally.

for whatever reason will make everyone paranoid, and others target them for theft, and police action, theoretically. 

Why so because we are black and armed? :) Yeah I bet.

Well regulated? Please. They're going to take their classes and never hear from them again. 

:) If you don't think the majority of black people think like I do then keep being naive and sleeping. I have over 40 apps turned in in just the first 2 hours I set up. :) My brother who legally has been carrying was there with his pistol on his waist  behind the table standing next right beside me to give them inspiration and courage. I plan on going back out there Tuesday morning right across the street from temple university. Would you like to come? Bring a video camera and be amazed. :) It's going to happen slowly but surely.  I am using the law to make it happen. I just hope they don't get afraid of this type of unity and start changing laws around.

:) Sir If you were really following my post the proper way you would saw that there were many post that instructed me to be beneficial to my community. If I'm paying money out of my own pocket to help the youth of Young African Americans, am I not servicing my community? Next off as a felon It is also nearly impossible for me to get a job(Although I have been applying) I will not sit around and waste my life doing nothing waiting for some employer to stereotype my character much like people on this forum has. Instead I chose to make myself useful to my community. Big deal.

Furthermore, Everything you have said you would do has already been done. I have been doing my homework on this situation for 1 year now. And have contacted local authorities, that have given me information about badges, shoulder mics, Etc..... I have even taken their badge numbers. I will not let 1 felony keep me being productive.  Plus my scientific mentality won't allow me to do so.:) I am always thinking. :)

 

Thank you for your time sir. :)

:) Sir as stated before I have already spoken with local law authorities who have told me that a custom badge that doesn't display the word police officer as well as a uniform that doesn't is not considered police impersonation. I have taken these officers badge numbers, as well as voice recorded them.

 

This plan has been strategically Tested for one year now.  badges, uniforms, and mics will come later after I have established a name recruited enough people to split into units, and spread them over different counties. Once I have earned enough money I will then open up a building creating my first district for my department. 

 

It doesn't matter if you're custom badge has no wording of Police Officer on there, The way you're acting like you'll have authority IS infact classed as impersonating a police officer. Like i said, read the link i posted. because what you're aiming to do is actually against the law. Carrying a badge, wearing a uniform and preforming duties that will make people think you have authority in law enforcement will get you into serious trouble. and opening up your first "department" you know you'll have to get a business permit.. and as soon as the government see that, they'll shut you down immediately.

 

Plus where is your funding? you know how many uniforms you'll need? how many mics you'll need? where is the money to fund your employees? You have already stated you don't have a job so you're just getting a few hundred dollars a month from the government. 

 

Not only what you're doing is illegal, but you're opening yourself up to lawsuits. Even if someone is doing the wrong thing.. If you step in and even touch him, you and your recruits can face an assault charge. 

Tell me this is a joke, I can't see any good coming out of this, forming your own militia, is the under attack or something? You might just want to stick to getting a job.

No It isn't. And why does it have to be? Listen are you not aware of what your country gives you the right to do? I am a very intelligent man, if I couldn't do it, I wouldn't do it. Consider it a start of ending operation racial profiling.

It doesn't matter if you're custom badge has no wording of Police Officer on there, The way you're acting like you'll have authority IS infact classed as impersonating a police officer. Like i said, read the link i posted. because what you're aiming to do is actually against the law. Carrying a badge, wearing a uniform and preforming duties that will make people think you have authority in law enforcement will get you into serious trouble. and opening up your first "department" you know you'll have to get a business permit.. and as soon as the government see that, they'll shut you down immediately.

 

Plus where is your funding? you know how many uniforms you'll need? how many mics you'll need? where is the money to fund your employees? You have already stated you don't have a job so you're just getting a few hundred dollars a month from the government. 

 

Not only what you're doing is illegal, but you're opening yourself up to lawsuits. Even if someone is doing the wrong thing.. If you step in and even touch him, you and your recruits can face an assault charge. 

:) We'll see. I have a wonderful support system. I don't have a job that takes out taxes, however I am working for someone privately and they pay me out of their pocket. I have money saved up in a personal account. That is why I already stated that uniforms, badges, etc... will come much much later. We must first start off with proper training, discipline, and have the proper mindset. I am only taking dedicated black men and women who are interested in the same mission as I.  I have been experimenting since the death of Trayvon Martin. Also I am a law student online at Virginia College I have an associates degree in Paralegal Studies, and Now perusing a  Bachelors degree in Business Administration. 

 

Listen Bro. America had to start somewhere, and so will my plan, its not perfect but with the help of other recruits I will get there. Its only a matter of time. You will see me on Fox news sooner than you think ;)