Hey guys, my computer had an OS crash about a month ago and windows kinda forced the 8.1 update and I've noticed, that my graphics performance are garbage now. I was able to run CryENB on medium settings getting 50-60 fps without recording and 30-45 while recording. All while not overclocking my gtx 660. With the update I can get more than 15-20 fps either way, while overclocking on the the Ultra low settings. I want some of you guys opinions on whether or not its my operating system or something else on my computer. I also have more room on my HDD than what I had before the update so I dont think it could be that.

I actually have this same issue! I used CryENB as well before and I have a step lower graphics card than you, the GTX 650, and I was able to run it perfectly. I haven't found a fix yet though. :/

I would roll back to 7 :)  8 is not kind to gamers or designers.

I would roll back to 7 :)  8 is not kind to gamers or designers.

My pc came with 8 so idk if thats possible without paying for it

I would roll back to 7 :)  8 is not kind to gamers or designers.

According to who? You? Windows 8 generally gives another 2 frames per second vs. Windows 7 in modern video games.

Getting that out of the way, you can try re-installing your OS. 8.1 had no negative impact on my PC beyond changing the net code causing my old wireless adapter drivers to not work anymore, so I had to get a modern wi-fi card for my computer.

According to who? You? Windows 8 generally gives another 2 frames per second vs. Windows 7 in modern video games.

Getting that out of the way, you can try re-installing your OS. 8.1 had no negative impact on my PC beyond changing the net code causing my old wireless adapter drivers to not work anymore, so I had to get a modern wi-fi card for my computer.

Actually 8 and 8.1 is crappy with certain gfx cards due to driver compatibility.  I had 8.1 and installed a new AMD R9 280x and ran into a whole host of issues with drivers and compatibility and fps drops. When I rolled back to 7 (win 8 just never appealed to me), all those issues seemed to go away, and my FPS stabilized. 

I think you should do a re-install of Windows, I try to re-format every 5-6 months to give my PC with a bit of ease and clear it with all the junk that would have built up over time.

 

I would recommend using Windows 7 because for me personally, it's better for gaming. My sister has a laptop with Windows 8 and every time i have to fix it, i takes me weeks because it's too stubborn or it just doesn't work, with Windows 7 i haven't had a problem. You would have to pay for it, but in my opinion it'll be worth it since Windows 8 isn't really friendly towards gamers.

Don't format and reinstall too often, that just puts unnecessary strain on your harddrive which will slow it down in the end.

My pc came with 8 so idk if thats possible without paying for it

I mean it is not free but the key is not that much since its a older system you just have to go in the bios and disable UEFI on the board and you can load 7. I rolled mine back I hate 8.

Don't format and reinstall too often, that just puts unnecessary strain on your harddrive which will slow it down in the end.

That depends on the hard drive.

I used to have a hard drive on which I tested many operation systems.

It was a regular hard drive with 120 gigabytes and it still worked after all the reinstallations, although I formatted the hard drive very often.

It even had over 10.000 power-on hours.

Edited June 28, 201411 yr by Erase

Good for you, as you said it depends on the hard drive :p it isn't recommended, that's all. Every once in a while is surely ok.

I refreshed my whole computer last night and I just tested my game and I'm getting 40-50 fps with CryEnd Med settings and 23-30 fps while recording.

I refreshed my whole computer last night and I just tested my game and I'm getting 40-50 fps with CryEnd Med settings and 23-30 fps while recording.

Did resetting change it to 8? Or did it just fix the bugs on 8.1. Anyway, glad to hear it's better now.

 

    

 

    Best Regards,

           iiKonrad

Did resetting change it to 8? Or did it just fix the bugs on 8.1. Anyway, glad to hear it's better now.

 

    

 

    Best Regards,

           iiKonrad

It changed it back to factory so it changed it went back to 8

Edited June 28, 201411 yr by Blackjesus32

If you have an SSD on which your OS is installed, I believe constant reformatting can drastically reduce it's life span. I don't know if that is true with modern SSD's however.

 

Cheers.

Actually 8 and 8.1 is crappy with certain gfx cards due to driver compatibility.  I had 8.1 and installed a new AMD R9 280x and ran into a whole host of issues with drivers and compatibility and fps drops. When I rolled back to 7 (win 8 just never appealed to me), all those issues seemed to go away, and my FPS stabilized. 

So I suppose you've never heard about all the notoriously bad press AMD gets about their Catalyst graphics drivers? Windows 8 has been for a while now, and the Windows 8.1 service pack isn't exactly new. You're treating the situation as if it's the AMD card that's been around for almost 2 years.

The issue you're having is AMD's fault for not coding good drivers for the newest operating system, which wasn't exactly released last week. It's nearly two years old, so there is no excuse. They just did a bad job. AMD has been doing a bad job ever since the early 2000's and people are willing to deal with it because they charge less money than nVidia for similar performance. I was one of those people. They ruined Battlefield Bad Company on 'CrossfireX' by adding flickering lines in the screen during regular play, they broke 'CrossFireX' functionally altogether in APB, so I had to disable one graphics card to even play it, and the Catalyst Control Center crashes constantly on lots of systems. Their 'CrossfireX' system itself is less effective than nVidia's 'SLI', and many games don't even support it.

 

 

I think you should do a re-install of Windows, I try to re-format every 5-6 months to give my PC with a bit of ease and clear it with all the junk that would have built up over time.

 

I would recommend using Windows 7 because for me personally, it's better for gaming. My sister has a laptop with Windows 8 and every time i have to fix it, i takes me weeks because it's too stubborn or it just doesn't work, with Windows 7 i haven't had a problem. You would have to pay for it, but in my opinion it'll be worth it since Windows 8 isn't really friendly towards gamers.

Can you explain yourself further? I don't understand how Windows 7 is better for gaming or how Windows 8 is unfriendly to gamers in general. Windows 8 gives higher frame rates and allows for newer versions of Direct X. I also don't understand whats wrong with your sisters laptop or how it's stubborn or "not working". Windows 8 has two reset buttons that either refresh the OS, or reformat it and re-install it completely. You literally go into settings, and hit 'Refresh', followed by the 'Yes' button. It couldn't be any simpler to reformat if needed.

 

Edited June 30, 201411 yr by unr3al

 

So I suppose you've never heard about all the notoriously bad press AMD gets about their Catalyst graphics drivers? Windows 8 has been for a while now, and the Windows 8.1 service pack isn't exactly new. You're treating the situation as if it's the AMD card that's been around for almost 2 years.

The issue you're having is AMD's fault for not coding good drivers for the newest operating system, which wasn't exactly released last week. It's nearly two years old, so there is no excuse. They just did a bad job. AMD has been doing a bad job ever since the early 2000's and people are willing to deal with it because they charge less money than nVidia for similar performance. I was one of those people. They ruined Battlefield Bad Company on 'CrossfireX' by adding flickering lines in the screen during regular play, they broke 'CrossFireX' functionally altogether in APB, so I had to disable one graphics card to even play it, and the Catalyst Control Center crashes constantly on lots of systems. Their 'CrossfireX' system itself is less effective than nVidia's 'SLI', and many games don't even support it.

 

 

 

Now you're just assuming I've never heard it. I'm well aware of the shitty support and builds of their cards. And the fact that that card is relatively new. However you can't ignore the fact that Windows 8 was a cluster F on release. I can remember when it first came out that games ran like shit on it due to bugs and horrible optimization. 8.1 was a step in the right direction but there are still bugs that remain, and to me, I'd rather not game on it. I'm just saying you can't put all the blame on AMD for it not working. Microshaft is to blame just as much.

Now you're just assuming I've never heard it. I'm well aware of the shitty support and builds of their cards.

You sounded like you never heard of it, or that you wanted to put all the blame on Microsoft. So since you didn't contribute that fact to the conversation, I figured I'd point it out.

 

However you can't ignore the fact that Windows 8 was a cluster F on release.|

Every Windows release is like that. Every single one. I've been using Windows OS's since Windows 3.1, back when DOS was a thing, and they all get major crap when they first come out about being too expensive, being too hard to use, being buggy, it's always the same complaints. No company can possibly test their products better than Microsoft does. They do private tests with thousands of IT industry experts, and they give OS preview access to literally millions of people, but you can never factor in every little hardware or software change one may make, or how everyone uses their computers slightly differently, or how many vendors will bother to write new drivers for their old products. Those are all things the general consumer doesn't understand, and the somewhat tech savvy every-man chooses to ignore so they can be a "me too" person and say Microsoft did a crap job each release. If anything could be done differently to speed up testing and releases, it would be getting "grandma" to test it, because a large portion of people who use computers are uneducated people who check their AOL e-mail and click on pop-ups without a second thought. Unfortunately grandma or little Jimmy at home or Bob The Builder don't even know what the word 'beta' means, so that's a no-go.

I still don't know where you're getting information about games "running like shit". Did you own Windows 8 on release? I had been demonstrating, selling and servicing Windows 8 PCs since release, and I have owned one since a few months after release, and I didn't have any issues with the games out at the time. In fact the only software hiccup I had when I first started was my old Wi-Fi driver not installing, but I fixed that by re-running it in 'Compatibility Mode' and that was the end of that. Statistics point to Windows 8 being faster on average with the same hardware than a Windows 7 install, real world performance shows it, and when all is said and done; yes, I CAN blame AMD solely for this, because they've had two years to straighten out any confusion as to how to code for Windows 8. It's not a new operating system anymore. So there is no excuse. They released broken drivers, as usual. For supposed "complaints" like this one, I look out at all the self-qualified critics all across the internet, and most of the time all I see out there are people who want to hate Microsoft because it's hip to do it, regardless of whether they've actually used __(insert random product)__ or not, and regardless of whether they've had any training or education on __(insert random product)__ or not. It's the same thing with every product they make. Windows, Office, XBOX's, etc. Apple and Google have their haters too, but they're fewer in numbers because they do less and the fact of the matter is; have a smaller impact on your day to day lives than Microsoft does due to the widespread use of their broad range products.

Edited June 30, 201411 yr by unr3al

You sounded like you never heard of it, or that you wanted to put all the blame on Microsoft. So since you didn't contribute that fact to the conversation, I figured I'd point it out.

 

 

Every Windows release is like that. Every single one. I've been using Windows OS's since Windows 3.1, back when DOS was a thing, and they all get major crap when they first come out about being too expensive, being too hard to use, being buggy, it's always the same complaints. No company can possibly test their products better than Microsoft does. They do private tests with thousands of IT industry experts, and they give OS preview access to literally millions of people, but you can never factor in every little hardware or software change one may make, or how everyone uses their computers slightly differently, or how many vendors will bother to write new drivers for their old products. Those are all things the general consumer doesn't understand, and the somewhat tech savvy every-man chooses to ignore so they can be a "me too" person and say Microsoft did a crap job each release. If anything could be done differently to speed up testing and releases, it would be getting "grandma" to test it, because a large portion of people who use computers are uneducated people who check their AOL e-mail and click on pop-ups without a second thought. Unfortunately grandma or little Jimmy at home or Bob The Builder don't even know what the word 'beta' means, so that's a no-go.

I still don't know where you're getting information about games "running like shit". Did you own Windows 8 on release? I had been demonstrating, selling and servicing Windows 8 PCs since release, and I have owned one since a few months after release, and I didn't have any issues with the games out at the time. In fact the only software hiccup I had when I first started was my old Wi-Fi driver not installing, but I fixed that by re-running it in 'Compatibility Mode' and that was the end of that. Statistics point to Windows 8 being faster on average with the same hardware than a Windows 7 install, real world performance shows it, and when all is said and done; yes, I CAN blame AMD solely for this, because they've had two years to straighten out any confusion as to how to code for Windows 8. It's not a new operating system anymore. So there is no excuse. They released broken drivers, as usual. For supposed "complaints" like this one, I look out at all the self-qualified critics all across the internet, and most of the time all I see out there are people who want to hate Microsoft because it's hip to do it, regardless of whether they've actually used __(insert random product)__ or not, and regardless of whether they've had any training or education on __(insert random product)__ or not. It's the same thing with every product they make. Windows, Office, XBOX's, etc. Apple and Google have their haters too, but they're fewer in numbers because they do less and the fact of the matter is; have a smaller impact on your day to day lives than Microsoft does due to the widespread use of their broad range products.

Just google "xxx game runs poorly on windows 8". What you'll get is a huge amount of posts from around release time. I'm not gonna turn this into a flame war. But yes, I've done the same exact stuff you've done on release. I worked as a PC technician with certs, as well as certified from MS before Windows 8 launched ( which is how I got my copy). I demo'd, serviced, and sold just as you.  As far as speed goes, that varies from the actual Hardware in the pc (cpu, mem, SSD or HDD). From my experience, and from what I've been reading on various forums, the theme seems to be legitimate complaints about Windows 8 being worse for gaming than 7. You pretty much proved my point, by saying that all OS's are buggy on release. Win 8 still has bugs, more so than 7 just because they've had longer to fix 7. Although in the future, 8 will be better, regardless. Game devs will start optimizing for 8 over 7. And please stop assuming I'm a "hater because it's hip", "I'm unqualified".

 

Just google "xxx game runs poorly on windows 8". What you'll get is a huge amount of posts from around release time.

What a shock. Release time and people who are new to the OS not understanding how to use it.
 

 

You pretty much proved my point, by saying that all OS's are buggy on release. Win 8 still has bugs, more so than 7 just because they've had longer to fix 7.

What point of yours did I prove? You stated that Windows 8 performs worse and is "unfriendly to gamers" in general, which isn't based on anything factual. You'd find the same plethora of posts you'd find by Googling things like Windows 7 vs Windows XP (insert random game name) performing worse or not working. And user friendliness depends on the person using it. Just because you may find it uncomfortable doesn't make it so for everyone else.
 

 

And please stop assuming I'm a "hater because it's hip", "I'm unqualified".

My arguments are based off of facts, performance figures and real world experience. Yours seem to revolve around internet forum threads and the popular seemingly personal bias tons of people have. While complaints about Windows 8 may exist, only some of them are actual problems with the operating system. In a controlled environment, with a technologically competent user; Windows 8 outperforms Windows 7, period.

No flaming intended, just a debate.

Edited July 1, 201411 yr by unr3al