All for it! 
Cooper from SouthLAnd was and still is my favorite character on a TV series ever.  He's a role model to me.

meh just don't push your sexuality or religious beliefs onto me or others...I find this topic in todays world the LEAST of our worries...we have far more serious stuff going on then gay rights and I find it wrong for gay couples to adopt....it would just be horrific to not have a mom and a dad....sometimes you need to talk to a mom and other times you have to talk to a dad

So, single parents are horrific?

In an ideal world, marriage would not be regulated or defined by government. However, since that isn't likely to be the case, any mutually consenting adults should be able to enter into any contract they desire. Forgot to mention... I know a kid who's mom divorced his dad and married a woman when he was young. He turned out fine. Class President. Considering that most kids are not moronic social conservatives, two parents of the same sex would likely be a non-issue in school. 

Edited May 27, 201312 yr by SIR_Sergeant

meh just don't push your sexuality or religious beliefs onto me or others...I find this topic in todays world the LEAST of our worries...we have far more serious stuff going on then gay rights and I find it wrong for gay couples to adopt....it would just be horrific to not have a mom and a dad....sometimes you need to talk to a mom and other times you have to talk to a dad

Feel free to watch this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMLZO-sObzQ

Religions are growing and demanding more each day. They all want to live exactly as their God wants to. And if you make a little joke about their religion they're extremely insulted, next they're claiming you discriminate. Now I respect each religion and their lifestyle, but don't drag others in to it. Each person chooses a lifestyle.

Edited May 27, 201312 yr by Compeast

With Gay marriage currently a hot-topic worldwide in politics, what are your views on it? Should it be passed or should it still be banned?

 

My expression upon seeing this thread:

Did you really have to post this? These topics never solve anything, they just start arguments.

I think it should be banned because GOD wanted Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. I'm just going by the Bible.

Fuck the bible, it completely contradicts itself, god is about forgiveness, (apparently so are Christians, who are the worst) i'm sure gay people don't judge you for being straight, what gives you the right? welcome to 2013.

I myself am gay and so I DO support equality to the fullest. In recent years I've heard so many different arguments from so many different people. Religious and atheist, it's all the same. People fear what they don't understand, people fear what they are TAUGHT to fear. With that said I'd like to elaborate on why I'm emphasizing certain things. In my lifetime I've never met a child who was homophobic unless they were raised to be. Sexuality isn't a choice or a lifestyle, you don't choose that. However you do choose to spread hate and you teach your children to hate others. 

 

A message to those who are religious and feel Gay Marriage is in any way harmful to society or their beliefs. 

 

Your bibles are corrupt and it's words have been twisted throughout the ages. Everything it teaches contradicts it's next passage and the ultimate message is overshadowed by hate. When I was younger I was taught that 'God' wanted us to love everyone. I was taught that only God could judge me and all of his creations. So if you think about it, you're attempting to do HIS job. Now I find that somewhat offensive to the man you worship. That's like being a paper pusher and sneaking into the CEO's office and criticizing all of his employee's like you're somehow better than them. When in reality you're STILL the same as those you hate. 

 

To the person who posted this. I respect you for making this post for the simple fact that it'll get people involved, however I think this can and will go bad very quickly. Nothing says you can't and I'm not saying you shouldn't, I just want people to be careful with what they say. (That's not a threat or anything like that) There are rules on this forum and when you bring a topic such as Gay marriage in, it also brings people who are very opinionated and harsh. I would hope that moderators are willing to let people have their freedom but also monitor and remember how sensitive this subject is considering so many LGBT youth could find certain posts to be offensive and potentially 'upset' someone. Even a simple "The bible said so" could be damaging to someone who isn't comfortable with themselves.  

 

Anyways! Thank you to anyone who actually read this and to anyone who feels the need to change my point of view, Good Luck. :) 

Fuck the bible, it completely contradicts itself, god is about forgiveness, (apparently so are Christians, who are the worst) i'm sure gay people don't judge you for being straight, what gives you the right? welcome to 2013.

 

I don't think it's fair to say "fuck the Bible". I'm not Christian, nor do I follow any faith officially, but I don't think it's alright to slander an entire belief system. I too disagree with many things in the Bible, but if people choose to believe it then so be it.

 

Onto the topic at hand, I'd have to agree with some earlier posters. I'm from Canada, myself, and unlike many countries in the world we have been able to legalize same-sex marriage with ease back in 2005. Although it was and still is a very controversial topic, I find that as a nation we have been able to deal with it because we have strict boundaries between state and religion. Unlike some other nations, the United States for example, the laws we pass and the religions that we embrace are two very different things. For this reason, the ritual act of marriage in a religion (where gay marriage is possibly not allowed) is differentiated between legal marriage. 

 

In the US, as far as I can see, there is a blurred line between the state and the church. Although the church doesn't pass any laws or anything like that, its power is definitely seen in instances like these. Marriage is, in a legal sense, a merger of two people into one. It gives them special rights as a couple, yada yada yada. In a religious sense, where marriage originated from, it was a promise before God of love and commitment between a man and a women.

 

If two men or two women want to share the same LEGAL rights as a man and woman want to then I say so be it. There should be no problem at all about this. Now, should the church allow Gay marriage? Thats a whole other topic, and is really THEIR choice, and their interpretation of God's choice. But LEGALLY, it should defo be allowed.

 

TL;DR: State & religion are separate, and should be treated as such. Gay marriage should be allowed for the legal benefits associated with marriage. 

I was born straight, but what if in ten years I'm a flaming out-going full-on lover of dudes? I wasn't born gay, so it must have been a choice later in life. Just like if someone is born gay, and then decides to be straight, they made a choice. Some people might find it harder to determine their road of sexuality, and I'd have to just say it's most likely somebody's hormones out of whack, because like it's been said, science and life make it obvious this wasn't the way it was meant to work, but it's also evident today everybody being born is being born in worse health, each and each time. The human body is becoming more and more imperfect, probably due to all the industry, pollution and food-habits that we or our past family was brought up in. But that could just spew out a 1,001 more conversations couldn't it.

 

 

The thing is, you wouldn't become a flaming homosexual in 10 years. Its been proven scientifically that our attraction to other people is based on the levels of testosterone and other hormones absorbed by our brain during development in our mothers womb. People who are gay or bisexual have absorbed less testosterone, and therefore have a hormonal imbalance, making them attracted to other men. It's not a question of choice or society, but science and biology.

 

If you're still skeptical, consider this:

Animals in the wild have been found to exhibit sexual tendencies with other members of their sex. We have found gay wild animals. Did these animals just wake up and say, "hey I'ma be gay today"? No, they didn't. They don't have the complex social networks that humans have, and therefore don't think about that type of stuff. They just follow what their bodies say, and their bodies say that they are attracted to other males or other females. 

 

In my last attempt to explain this, I'll try and put this in perspective of the average 'Joe'. You're walking down the street and on one side you have this beautiful Emma Watson looking women (or whatever actress you prefer ;)) and on the other side you have a truly repulsive women picking her nose and snorting and wiping her nose with her hand etc etc etc. Who are you attracted to? The beautiful women or the vile lady? The women of course, but why? Well, its the same reason gays are attracted to people of the same sex.

Edited May 28, 201312 yr by Bojan

Yes church and state where supposed to be separate, not to protect the church nor the state but to prevent a social cluster fuck.  

Yes, it is correct that we're in a democratic world (most of it) and there should be no interference in people's personal lives as they have the freedom to do as they wish, in a limited way. But personally speaking, this 'gay' thing is not natural. Nature didn't manufacture us that way. During an intercourse, the introduction of Y chromosome leads to the birth of an offspring who has a possibility of bearing an extruded reproductive organ known as 'penis'. If the Y chromosome is not introduced, the already present X chromosomes get away with other X chromosome which leads to the birth of an offspring who has a cavity between its lower limbs, known as 'ovary', again a reproductive organ.

 

Some amphibians do change their sex to reproduce, but those circumstances are way different. Humans would have evolved like that if there was a need. But clearly, there is no need for 'gay' and 'lesbian' relationships for our species. As for feelings, there is nothing bad in getting close to someone of your gender. That is why the term 'friendship' was coined. But if you start getting sexually involved with them, you're exaggerating it either under someone else's influence or otherwise. Again, this is my opinion. And I'm not critical of gay or lesbian relationships. Who am I to protest anyways?

Edited May 28, 201312 yr by LucaDiablo

False. The general scientific consensus is that nature does make some humans who are homosexuals. Not sure what the genetics between being biologically male and biologically female has to do with it; there are people who are born with male parts who are wired to be attracted to other males.

Also, it's just false that everyone is XY or XX. The second X would come from the father, so it's not just the absence of a Y. Also, there are people who have just 1 X and no Y [Turner syndrome]; there's also XXX, XXY, XYY, XXXX, XXXY, XXYY, XXXXXX, and XXXXY. If you're going to bring unrelated biology into this, at least get it *right*.

I said it in a more general way, implying my thoughts. And as I said, it was my opinion. But anyways:
 

False. The general scientific consensus is that nature does make some humans who are homosexuals. Not sure what the genetics between being biologically male and biologically female has to do with it; there are people who are born with male parts who are wired to be attracted to other males.

Incorrect. You have no base to say that. Mankind does NOT know if homosexuality is by choice or by nature at this time. The thing is that they cannot even test a new born baby or a toddler to ask him/her if he/she is attracted sexually to males or females. Reason- humans do not develop those feelings at ages this early. So there's 
practically no base to say that they're naturally born that way.
 
 

Also, it's just false that everyone is XY or XX. The second X would come from the father, so it's not just the absence of a Y. Also, there are people who have just 1 X and no Y [Turner syndrome]; there's also XXX, XXY, XYY, XXXX, XXXY, XXYY, XXXXXX, and XXXXY. If you're going to bring unrelated biology into this, at least get it *right*.

Again, incorrect. Scientists differ on this concept. The SRU gene is thought to be the actual gene which makes it XY (male). However, exceptions do occur and hence, we aren't in a situation to discuss it lacking evidence. Howver, my original post was based on commonly assumed facts (since nothing has been proven till date) as I did not want to make the post vastly offtopic. Lastly, its not unrelated biology. Try and read what other people have written before jumping into conversations.

OK, that last bit is just wrong. Karyotypes aren't a matter of debate. There are literally humans with those arrangements of chromosomes. Yeah, X and Y aren't genes. They're chromosomes. Turns out, we actually know quite a lot about chromosomes. And each of those karyotypes has been observer in real patients. Before you pull out biology, 1) explain why it's relevant (I *did* read the thread, and still don't see why genetics determining physical sex somehow proves that sexual orientation is a choice), and 2) actually learn the biology.

1) I was saying in my post (if you did read it at all) that nature hasn't manufactured us that way. Males and females have been different in functions when it comes to intercourse. Thats why they're not like amphibians changing sex. I mentioned the "biology" after saying that.

2) What i have learnt or will learn is none of your business. Stick to the conversation instead of being interested in my personal life.

Stick to the conversation instead of being interested in my personal life.

 

Then why are you on this forum making statements about homosexuality being unnatural? I acknowledge that the topic is not 'personal' in the sense that it's not directed towards me. But you're making some pretty harsh statements about people's personal lives. 

I think homosexuals should be allowed to be just as miserable as all of the married heterosexuals. But on a more serious note, the bible has no place in deciding American law (to which I assume we are discussing).

Yes, the bible says no homosexuals, but the bible also says that we cannot cut our hair (Leviticus 19:27), to which has been redefined in the different revisions of the text (http://biblehub.com/leviticus/19-27.htm). Just to continue on this for one more point, the bible bans contraception (condoms, the pill, ect.), and lets be honest, how many of us would be jolly well f#$%ed without them. 

I would also like to bring up Canada, which legalized homosexual marriage in 2003, and there have been no rioting in the streets (well except when the Bruins won the Stanley Cup against Vancouver). Or to make the same point from a different perspective, interracial marriage was in the same hot seat once upon a time, and now it is a subject in common place media (Lake View Terrance for example).

 

Moral of my post is I support homosexual marriage that there are no strong arguments (that I have seen) against it.

Oh, and to clarify, I'm not trying to bible bash or disrespect anybody here (except maybe Canucks fans lol). All I wanted to do was use the same type of counter argument to the religious points.   

 

Edited May 28, 201312 yr by securitasguard

Gotta love the government favoring their beliefs only but on topic mostly everyone has good points.

 

In my opinion, gay people have every right to be together just as much as male and female. We're suppose to be created equal which means male/female can love another male/female without having to feel guilty or offended by other people. On the religion side, if I'm not a Christian, then I shouldn't have to follow Christian beliefs, simple as that. First amendment gives me the right to practice anything I want and also states that the government cannot favor any religion when passing laws. Now, I do know that only applies to federal government but I believe some states have even placed that first amendment into their own states constitution. God may have created all of us, but the founding fathers created America and later a constitution was established to protect the American people from being controlled by the government (which as you can tell, that's not really working out). They did not plan it to be like this but it's us Americans that led it to where it is now.

 

Remember the golden rule as a kid "Treat others the way you wish to be treated". Can you believe they taught you that in grade school and told you to follow it every day but yet when you get out in the real world, you see that nobody follows it hardly. Homosexuals should be treated with the same respect as a person who is straight. If you were in that persons shoes (I know, I know, "I wouldn't be in their shoes") but let's imagine you in their shoes, would you really want to be treated as if you were the worst people on earth because you love another same sex person. It's a simple answer, no, you wouldn't. There are a lot of people who have to live in fear because they are gay or lesbian. That's not right. The only time someone should be in fear is if they are getting attacked, harassed, robbed, etc. by criminals or gang bangers. Those are the real enemies yet everyone directs their attention on same sex marriages/relationships.

 

In conclusion, Let's focus on the real problems in this country except whether a man/man or female/female should be able to get married.

(I'll probably have more later to add if discussion continues but right now, it's bedtime).

 

**EDIT** Oh, real quick also on the adopting... It doesn't matter who the parents are, as long as the child is being raised in the proper way he/she should be raised. Single parents have a struggle with raising kids but the kids learn to stay by his/her parent's side all the way. There will always be disagreements but it's life, we all move past them. I didn't go to my parents to discuss things about life, I went up to my high school teacher of four years because he acted more of a parent figure than my stepdad or mom. He taught me a lot of stuff later in life that I should of been taught when I was younger. Looked after me and gave advice when I needed it. So I'm pretty positive that a male/male or female/female would be fully capable of raising a child as long as he/she is raised with the guidance of a parent figure.

Edited May 28, 201312 yr by Sutton0492

I think it's up to the church to decide whether or not they believe that homosexuals can be married, this goes not just for the Christian church, but any religion.

 

The church is a religious place and it's not up for the government to force anything upon them that they do not wish to do, getting married in a church should mean that you are doing so as a result of your religious beliefs and not because it looks nice.

It's fine if the church believes that marriage is between a man and a woman, I see nothing wrong with the church acting based on its beliefs.

 

 

I can't see any logical reason for why homosexuals can't have the same rights as a heterosexual couple though civil partnership, it makes no sense that their genders define if they are a couple, their love for each other defines if they are a couple.

I think it's up to the church to decide whether or not they believe that homosexuals can be married, this goes not just for the Christian church, but any religion.

 

The church is a religious place and it's not up for the government to force anything upon them that they do not wish to do, getting married in a church should mean that you are doing so as a result of your religious beliefs and not because it looks nice.

It's fine if the church believes that marriage is between a man and a woman, I see nothing wrong with the church acting based on its beliefs.

 

 

I can't see any logical reason for why homosexuals can't have the same rights as a heterosexual couple though civil partnership, it makes no sense that their genders define if they are a couple, their love for each other defines if they are a couple.

 

I'm somewhat confused but anyways. 

 

The fight really isn't to get the churches to recognize gay marriage. The fight is to get recognized by the united states government as equals and to have the benefits of marriage. Unfortunately religion is heavily laced into the system which ultimately corrupts. 

 

If people want to keep marriage sacred in religion, that's fine, but if you're going to do that than take away ALL government benefits that are given to the married couples. Make marriage strictly a religious thing, nothing more. 

 

IF anyone wants to see why the fight for equality is so important just watch this video. Put yourself in someone else's shoes for just a second and think. Think about how important the legal benefits of marriage are. 

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR9gyloyOjM