Like I said before, I don't support cops when they are in the wrong, but I am willing to see their side if they are correct. It's one thing if a cop shot a dog on its property while the cop wasn't even supposed to be there. It's entirely different if a cop tried to approach an injured person and the dog charged at him.

 

People would be even more furious if the cop let the person die because they wanted to wait for animal control (which in NY probably couldn't get there as fast as needed for EMS to help the person).

(which in NY probably couldn't get there as fast as needed for EMS to help the person).

Thats the irony. Dog, human beings' faithful friend from the beginning of time, even long before the word "Police" was born, is paying for its faithfulness. Wild animals like wolves are safe in woods, dogs followed humans in cities and chose to live there with them, and hence are killed more than wolves, either getting run over on the roads or by getting shot by the same creatures who tame them. They don't get rewarded for protecting them, instead have weaker and slower departments to protect them. Are animal right activists as swift as human rights' ones? Do Vets have enough Life support ambulances with all the necessary equipment like its in case with normal "911" EMS ambulances? Nope.

And to those who think it was justified to shoot the dog which didn't even bite the bystander, God you guys are obsessed with cops! I'd rather discuss this on some Camaro-fanboy forum than on a website which is purely based around the police community with so many wannabe cops as members.

Thats the irony. Dog, human beings' faithful friend from the beginning of time, even long before the word "Police" was born, is paying for its faithfulness. Wild animals like wolves are safe in woods, dogs followed humans in cities and chose to live there with them, and hence are killed more than wolves, either getting run over on the roads or by getting shot by the same creatures who tame them. They don't get rewarded for protecting them, instead have weaker and slower departments to protect them. Are animal right activists as swift as human rights' ones? Do Vets have enough Life support ambulances with all the necessary equipment like its in case with normal "911" EMS ambulances? Nope.

And to those who think it was justified to shoot the dog which didn't even bite the bystander, God you guys are obsessed with cops! I'd rather discuss this on some Camaro-fanboy forum than on a website which is purely based around the police community with so many wannabe cops as members.

 

The dog may not have bit the bystander, but it attempted to. If someone attempts to shoot at a cop, they would probably get shot anyways, as they should. Like I said, more people would be bad mouthing the NYPD if they let the guy die on the side of the sidewalk instead of shooting the dog, because to most the life of a dog is worth less than a persons.

 

But let's put you there. How would you have handled the situation if you came across someone having a life threatening seizure being guarded by his dog, which was attacking anyone that came close. Would you wait half an hour or more for animal control to show up, while the owner could die waiting? How would you explain to that person's family that you let him die because his dog was in the way? What would you do if you saw the dog bite onto the pant leg of someone nearby? What would you do if the dog charged at you? Let it bite you?

 

And don't claim I'm obsessed with cops, I'm one of the more anti-le people on the forum, and most that have seen my posts will attest to that. However, I can see why this is justified because I was chased by a german shephard when I was a little kid simply because I was getting the mail in its yard, and it scared the shit outta me. I still consider myself lucky I didn't get bit or even killed. Just because the dog thinks it's in the right doesn't mean that anyone trying to defend itself against it is wrong. Don't try to paint that as being anti-animals either, I have a dog myself.

@Bollocks: I've said this at least once before: If c13 is defending a cop, the cop was almost certainly justified. c13 is one of the first people on these forums to call out a cop for doing something bad.

Also, I don't see where wild animals have it better than domesticated animals. It is legal to hunt wild animals, so they are facing endangerment and extinction. Domesticated animals are not.

I love dogs; I have 2. Even so, a dog has nowhere near the same rights as a human. That is as it should be. Species matters. If it comes down to "shoot a dog" vs. "risk a human life", the correct answer is "shoot the dog".

And to those who think it was justified to shoot the dog which didn't even bite the bystander, God you guys are obsessed with cops! I'd rather discuss this on some Camaro-fanboy forum than on a website which is purely based around the police community with so many wannabe cops as members.

 

   Whoa, wait, I'm sorry what? It seems that you're annoyed/angry at the fact that some people disprove/disagree with your opinion and instead of bringing up a valid argument to disprove their views, you start attempting to insult other members? Yeah that doesn't work here. Many of our members are here to just simply enjoy our modification (such as c13) and are open to debates like this (Who have openly stated they are against Police Officers in some of their actions) and they choose to involve themselves in debates like this because they have their own opinion, and when another person disagrees 90% of the time they will be open to their views instead of replying with attempted derogatory remarks/statements.  If you feel this site is so radically in favor of something that you dislike/disagree with so much then you're free leave this site at anytime. And believe me none of us will stop you when you talk to us like that.

 

    I will state that I can some what understand what point you're trying to get across, you want to discuss such things on a site that you feel isn't "Obsessed' with the main view that is in question, hence you feel that they'll always be on the side of what the site is focused on (which by the way is the reason why forums are created, to center around a certain thing and discuss about it) but truthfully you won't get that anywhere. Everyone has their own likes/dislikes and no matter what some one will always disagree with what you have to say, it's part of the world, and you speaking to us like that isn't going to help you any more to get your point across.

 

    This topic has been perfectly fine so far and I HAVE been watching this thread, no flaming, just basic debate. But then you decide to attempt to throw in a derogatory remark/insult to not only the entire site and what it stands for, but also to all our members. I will not tolerate such instigation of flaming, and this goes for all of you (You have been warned). Any posts that are hinting towards being insults/flames towards other members (simply to aggravate them, debate is as always allowed) will be hidden by our staff, this is mainly a site for a game that is Rated M for mature (People over the age of 17), let's all try and act like it shall we?

Edited January 3, 201313 yr by JAM-Justin35

Against my better judgement i'm going to put my two cents in.

1. I feel the cop COMPLETELY had every right to shot the dog. While it is very sad, Human(or "homo-sapiens") life takes priority.

2. The taser idea.

  A. As far as i saw no officer had a taser.

  B. While yes it could of detoured the dog, it could of just  made the dog even madder.

  C. Taser are made to take down human that are ether stopped or slowly moving. While it is possible to hit a fast moving target it would take longer and more luck/skill.

  D. If the officer was to miss with he taser he could hit one of the bystanders.

3. The officer was not moving toward the downed person as far as i can tell, He appears to be moving to control the crowd(Such as the woman Who was nearly bit.)

4. The woman, The dog shows aggression toward her as it tried to bit her but only got her pants. Ether way we cant prove weather the dog missed or was warning her.

5. Some say he put people in danger by shooting but he really didn't not till after he shot and went into a defensive posture. If you watch he brings The pistol form the hosteler always pointing at the ground, therefore not putting and bystanders at risk. That is the way EVERYONE that has gun training is trained to do.

 

If I missed any points I would be happy to show my point of view. And as JAM said lets keep this polite.

Edited January 3, 201313 yr by xGRAVEKILLERx

And to those who think it was justified to shoot the dog which didn't even bite the bystander, God you guys are obsessed with cops! I'd rather discuss this on some Camaro-fanboy forum than on a website which is purely based around the police community with so many wannabe cops as members.

 

It's just January but this is already one of the most ridiculous things i've read in 2013

Well this has got uhmm...out of control XD

I've been watching this topic for a few days, and some of the comments are actually pretty funny.

 

I have to ask, how many of you have knowledge of police use-of-force procedures or law enforcement procedures? How many of you actually have had some type of military/law enforcement background? How many of you have actually been chased and or come close to a rabid animal?

 

To those who say the cop is in the wrong....

 

Actually they had every right to use deadly force on an animal. Use-of-Force states that if life of the officer or innocent bystanders are IN DANGER you have every right to apply lethal force as long as you are PROTECTING life. Danger is defined as a situation where lives can be potentially lost.

 

If it's the same video as the August incident, it's pretty clear that the dog was A.) Attacking or attempting to attack a bystander and B.) Attempting or attacking the officer. In those spilt second moments you have miliseconds to come up with a decision. How many of you have had to make a decision where life was on the line?

 

Now could they have called Animal Control? Yes, did they? Most likely.

 

As for the Taser, you have to be damn quick and be damned good to hit a dog moving at that rate of speed. Another thing I don't think most animals (let alone a dog) can handle that amount of voltage. Think about it, if Humans have died because of Tasers at 1,200 volts ( humans have died at 120 volts from normal house hold outlets). Could they have used a taser? Probably but the damage it would do to the animal?

 

Am I say Tasers are a bad tool? No, but they have to be used in a correct manner and be applied in the correct way. If NYPD Taser policy is the same as forces up here in Canada, then only Front-line supervisors and Specialist units will carry them.

 

As for my question regarding rabid animals; I've come close on numerous occassions to rabid animals and believe me, when they come after you, they will not stop until you go down.

 

As for the comment about people being obessed, I'll be the first to say; some of the threads seem overly in favour of police action. However not everyone is overly-obessed. Hell, I have both Military and Law Enforcement experience and I find some of the decisions and actions by other officers and Military folk overly excessive.

 

In regards to the comment about what is "Excessive Force/Unreasonable Force" that is defined as any action that is deemed to be excessive during a confrontation or situation. I.E. Shooting a guy without giving prior warning and indentification is Excessive Force; Tasing a guy then beating the sh** out of him is Excessive and Unreasonable. As I mentioned before this incident does not constitute Unreasonable or Excessive, if the Officer's took every pre-caution and did their due-diligence then they are in the right.

 

 

Edited January 3, 201313 yr by Comm

FUCK THE NYPD!

They did act wery fail, they should not have fucking shoot the dog, but tased it.

 

FUCK THE IDIOT WHO SHOT THE DOG GODDAMNIT NYPD!

FUCK YOU!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvLhcJO4Gy4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvLhcJO4Gy4

 

Sorry mister, I am an animal lover so I cant hold myself. 

FUCK THE NYPD!

They did act wery fail, they should not have fucking shoot the dog, but tased it.

 

FUCK THE IDIOT WHO SHOT THE DOG GODDAMNIT NYPD!

FUCK YOU!

 

Seriously? Right after I make a post to NOT instigate flaming you decide to come on here and throw that childish remark at us? I know you stated "Sorry mister, I am an animal lover so I cant hold myself." but I can assure you there is a lot of members here who are in the same position as you (Animal lover) and they haven't gone on here posting such content, so you can easily do the same. Your post will now be hidden from public view due to the fact I clearly stated above in my post ANY post that instigates flaming in any way will be hidden. You're pretty damn lucky your not receiving a Warning Point today. Think before you post next time.

Edited January 3, 201313 yr by JAM-Justin35

Besides the question of the appropriateness, I just don't get why neither a officer, nor a bystander is taking care of the owner on the ground (after having a seizure). In that state he could have choked.

Unless you have medical training, you can actually make the situation worse by trying to help. Police officers may have such training(then again, they may not), but most bystanders don't. Generally, the thing to do is to call the EMTs, especially in a place like New York (where they respond pretty quickly).

Besides the question of the appropriateness, I just don't get why neither a officer, nor a bystander is taking care of the owner on the ground (after having a seizure). In that state he could have choked.

 

Problem is the dog, you can't help the guy on the ground when there's a "threat" to bystanders and to yourself. If you attempt to help the guy on the ground without dealing with the dog, chances are you'll wind up in the hospital with the guy on the ground.

 

I assumed they already called EMS/Fire when the dog suddenly charged.

Unless you have medical training, you can actually make the situation worse by trying to help. Police officers may have such training(then again, they may not), but most bystanders don't. Generally, the thing to do is to call the EMTs, especially in a place like New York (where they respond pretty quickly).

 

Yeah. On top of that unless you have proper certifications you can get into legal issues.

I assume most people dont want to get into legal issues!

Seriously? Right after I make a post to NOT instigate flaming you decide to come on here and throw that childish remark at us? I know you stated "Sorry mister, I am an animal lover so I cant hold myself." but I can assure you there is a lot of members here who are in the same position as you (Animal lover) and they haven't gone on here posting such content, so you can easily do the same. Your post will now be hidden from public view due to the fact I clearly stated above in my post ANY post that instigates flaming in any way will be hidden. You're pretty damn lucky your not receiving a Warning Point today. Think before you post next time.

 

Sorry. Not gonna do that again, I promise.