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Canadian Army; 8 years this July.
 
My MOC (Military Occupational Code) Combat Engineer, although I rarely do it anymore since I've transitioned to an instructor role for Cadets (ironic really, If I hadn't had joined the army; I'd be a teacher).
 
I joined the Army because it has always been a childhood dream of mine (joined at 17, eight years later I'm still kicking around); In addition it's also about protecting the innocent and safeguarding the helpless, "These Things We Do That Others May Live"

"If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace."
 
The Military is a lifestyle, I don't know many who have joined for money because it's a decent wage by most standard; but the amount of work and sacrifices we make, woefully inadequate. You have to want to be there and you have to be willing to do things that most people don't want to do or are afraid to do; you also have to make spilt second decisions that may scar you for years after, most of all you have to be willing to go places that politically don't make sense but it is your job. It's not an easy life style and if you've been in long enough as I have, you'll become jaded and to a degree cynical about the world; you get to see what humans can do to one another.
 
Lastly, god forbid anyone has to experience this; but you may have to say goodbye to friends, people you considered brothers/sisters. The hardest thing I've ever had to do in life and the military was to bury my best friend, you see it on TV or in movies but when your the one saluting the casket.....It's hard.
 
 
Over the last couple of years (I'm 26), I've been pondering about my decision about Military Service; My friends are all Dentists, Bankers, Work at Google or Microsoft, Accountants etc. I've always wondered "What If". I don't ponder anymore because I realized that I'm one of only a handful of people that can say I've achieved a dream of mine; I've got to do many wonderful things in the Army, travelled, made friends for life (had to bury a few).
 
I couldn't see myself anywhere else, I'm proud, honoured and privleged to have worn that uniform everyday for 8 years, as I'm about to close one chapter of my life (I'm leaving the Army) and hopefully opening another chapter really soon, I have no regrets whatsoever.

 

Canadian Army; 8 years this July.
 
My MOC (Military Occupational Code) Combat Engineer, although I rarely do it anymore since I've transitioned to an instructor role for Cadets (ironic really, If I hadn't had joined the army; I'd be a teacher).
 
I joined the Army because it has always been a childhood dream of mine (joined at 17, eight years later I'm still kicking around); In addition it's also about protecting the innocent and safeguarding the helpless, "These Things We Do That Others May Live"

"If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace."
 
The Military is a lifestyle, I don't know many who have joined for money because it's a decent wage by most standard; but the amount of work and sacrifices we make, woefully inadequate. You have to want to be there and you have to be willing to do things that most people don't want to do or are afraid to do; you also have to make spilt second decisions that may scar you for years after, most of all you have to be willing to go places that politically don't make sense but it is your job. It's not an easy life style and if you've been in long enough as I have, you'll become jaded and to a degree cynical about the world; you get to see what humans can do to one another.
 
Lastly, god forbid anyone has to experience this; but you may have to say goodbye to friends, people you considered brothers/sisters. The hardest thing I've ever had to do in life and the military was to bury my best friend, you see it on TV or in movies but when your the one saluting the casket.....It's hard.
 
 
Over the last couple of years (I'm 26), I've been pondering about my decision about Military Service; My friends are all Dentists, Bankers, Work at Google or Microsoft, Accountants etc. I've always wondered "What If". I don't ponder anymore because I realized that I'm one of only a handful of people that can say I've achieved a dream of mine; I've got to do many wonderful things in the Army, travelled, made friends for life (had to bury a few).
 
I couldn't see myself anywhere else, I'm proud, honoured and privleged to have worn that uniform everyday for 8 years, as I'm about to close one chapter of my life (I'm leaving the Army) and hopefully opening another chapter really soon, I have no regrets whatsoever.

 

Canadian Army; 8 years this July.
 
My MOC (Military Occupational Code) Combat Engineer, although I rarely do it anymore since I've transitioned to an instructor role for Cadets (ironic really, If I hadn't had joined the army; I'd be a teacher).
 
I joined the Army because it has always been a childhood dream of mine (joined at 17, eight years later I'm still kicking around); In addition it's also about protecting the innocent and safeguarding the helpless, "These Things We Do That Others May Live"

"If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace."
 
The Military is a lifestyle, I don't know many who have joined for money because it's a decent wage by most standard; but the amount of work and sacrifices we make, woefully inadequate. You have to want to be there and you have to be willing to do things that most people don't want to do or are afraid to do; you also have to make spilt second decisions that may scar you for years after, most of all you have to be willing to go places that politically don't make sense but it is your job. It's not an easy life style and if you've been in long enough as I have, you'll become jaded and to a degree cynical about the world; you get to see what humans can do to one another.
 
Lastly, god forbid anyone has to experience this; but you may have to say goodbye to friends, people you considered brothers/sisters. The hardest thing I've ever had to do in life and the military was to bury my best friend, you see it on TV or in movies but when your the one saluting the casket.....It's hard.
 
 
Over the last couple of years (I'm 26), I've been pondering about my decision about Military Service; My friends are all Dentists, Bankers, Work at Google or Microsoft, Accountants etc. I've always wondered "What If". I don't ponder anymore because I realized that I'm one of only a handful of people that can say I've achieved a dream of mine; I've got to do many wonderful things in the Army, travelled, made friends for life (had to bury a few).
 
I couldn't see myself anywhere else, I'm proud, honoured and privleged to have worn that uniform everyday for 8 years, as I'm about to close one chapter of my life (I'm leaving the Army) and hopefully opening another chapter really soon, I have no regrets whatsoever.

 

Canadian Army; 8 years this July.
 
My MOC (Military Occupational Code) Combat Engineer, although I rarely do it anymore since I've transitioned to an instructor role for Cadets (ironic really, If I hadn't had joined the army; I'd be a teacher).
 
I joined the Army because it has always been a childhood dream of mine (joined at 17, eight years later I'm still kicking around); In addition it's also about protecting the innocent and safeguarding the helpless, "These Things We Do That Others May Live"

"If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace."
 
The Military is a lifestyle, I don't know many who have joined for money because it's a decent wage by most standard; but the amount of work and sacrifices we make, woefully inadequate. You have to want to be there and you have to be willing to do things that most people don't want to do or are afraid to do; you also have to make spilt second decisions that may scar you for years after, most of all you have to be willing to go places that politically don't make sense but it is your job. It's not an easy life style and if you've been in long enough as I have, you'll become jaded and to a degree cynical about the world; you get to see what humans can do to one another.
 
Lastly, god forbid anyone has to experience this; but you may have to say goodbye to friends, people you considered brothers/sisters. The hardest thing I've ever had to do in life and the military was to bury my best friend, you see it on TV or in movies but when your the one saluting the casket.....It's hard.
 
 
Over the last couple of years (I'm 26), I've been pondering about my decision about Military Service; My friends are all Dentists, Bankers, Work at Google or Microsoft, Accountants etc. I've always wondered "What If". I don't ponder anymore because I realized that I'm one of only a handful of people that can say I've achieved a dream of mine; I've got to do many wonderful things in the Army, travelled, made friends for life (had to bury a few).
 
I couldn't see myself anywhere else, I'm proud, honoured and privleged to have worn that uniform everyday for 8 years, as I'm about to close one chapter of my life (I'm leaving the Army) and hopefully opening another chapter really soon, I have no regrets whatsoever.

 

I like you was told and bullied that I would never be able to join the Army and be a soldier or fighter pilot because I was too fat (I was a fat child), the joke is on them because I joined the Army at 17 and spent the better part of seven years in one of the most psyhically and mentally demanding trade/job in the Canadian Army (Combat Engineer). When I went back for a school reunion, most people didn't recognize me because I had completely changed from being that over-enthuastic 13 year old kid, to a 24 year old Soldier.
 
Having said that, I spent a little bit of time in Military Recruiting and for the most part being a Fighter Pilot in Canada is as competitive (if not more) as the United States.
 
First of all being in the Military is no joke, it is NOT a job it is a life style and for some a career.
 
Secondly, being a fighter pilot is EXTREMELY competitive and exclusive many people try out, few get selected and even fewer earn their wings; They will take into consideration many attributes to include maturity, grades but above all physical and mental fitness.
 
If you DO NOT meet standard you WILL NOT go on any further, they might give you a second try or they might not. As a Cadet Liaison and Instructor part of my job is to recommend people for training courses to include some of the more "prestige" and "specialized" courses, I have failed or not recommended many people simply because they were not mature enough or did not meet standard.
 
I highly suggest you converse with an Air Force recruiter and if possible start training to get a civilian flying licence. Start preparing for it now, volunteer, play sports, do extra homework anything to get that competitive edge. I guarantee you the majority of people who you will be up against WILL have an impressive resume and background.
 
Thirdly always revulate your goals; I finally decided that I couldn't be a pilot because I wasn't very good academically and my eyes were not the greatest. So I decided to do some research and chose a trade/job that I would enjoy.
 
Fourth start growing a thick skin (this is not a criticism or to poke fun of you, but it is reality of what we face in the Armed Forces), Being a former recruit and having been an Instructor I can tell you that some days get REALLY tough. You will be called names, you will be made fun of and you will be singled out, nature of the game; if you can't shrug that off then you're in for a very long ride. Not only will you take crap from fellow Service personnel or instructors, but the public will single you out in Uniform or if you are wearing anything Military related. I've been called everything from baby killer, mama rap***, murderer, I've been told that people in the Armed Forces were just people who had dropped out of HS or is a last resort career; I've also been called ethnic slurs whilst in Uniform.
 
Fifth we taught people to Never Give Up. Basic Training can get real tough and real fast, the option of giving up was always their and the temptation ever so present. If you think you can do it, then go for it; nothing is stopping you. The only way you can be stopped is if the President or God comes down and says "No".
 

I like you was told and bullied that I would never be able to join the Army and be a soldier or fighter pilot because I was too fat (I was a fat child), the joke is on them because I joined the Army at 17 and spent the better part of seven years in one of the most psyhically and mentally demanding trade/job in the Canadian Army (Combat Engineer). When I went back for a school reunion, most people didn't recognize me because I had completely changed from being that over-enthuastic 13 year old kid, to a 24 year old Soldier.
 
Having said that, I spent a little bit of time in Military Recruiting and for the most part being a Fighter Pilot in Canada is as competitive (if not more) as the United States.
 
First of all being in the Military is no joke, it is NOT a job it is a life style and for some a career.
 
Secondly, being a fighter pilot is EXTREMELY competitive and exclusive many people try out, few get selected and even fewer earn their wings; They will take into consideration many attributes to include maturity, grades but above all physical and mental fitness.
 
If you DO NOT meet standard you WILL NOT go on any further, they might give you a second try or they might not. As a Cadet Liaison and Instructor part of my job is to recommend people for training courses to include some of the more "prestige" and "specialized" courses, I have failed or not recommended many people simply because they were not mature enough or did not meet standard.
 
I highly suggest you converse with an Air Force recruiter and if possible start training to get a civilian flying licence. Start preparing for it now, volunteer, play sports, do extra homework anything to get that competitive edge. I guarantee you the majority of people who you will be up against WILL have an impressive resume and background.
 
Thirdly always revulate your goals; I finally decided that I couldn't be a pilot because I wasn't very good academically and my eyes were not the greatest. So I decided to do some research and chose a trade/job that I would enjoy.
 
Fourth start growing a thick skin (this is not a criticism or to poke fun of you, but it is reality of what we face in the Armed Forces), Being a former recruit and having been an Instructor I can tell you that some days get REALLY tough. You will be called names, you will be made fun of and you will be singled out, nature of the game; if you can't shrug that off then you're in for a very long ride. Not only will you take crap from fellow Service personnel or instructors, but the public will single you out in Uniform or if you are wearing anything Military related. I've been called everything from baby killer, mama rap***, murderer, I've been told that people in the Armed Forces were just people who had dropped out of HS or is a last resort career; I've also been called ethnic slurs whilst in Uniform.
 
Fifth we taught people to Never Give Up. Basic Training can get real tough and real fast, the option of giving up was always their and the temptation ever so present. If you think you can do it, then go for it; nothing is stopping you. The only way you can be stopped is if the President or God comes down and says "No".
 

Many former Aux members go on to become Full P.C.'s; just don't go into the Aux Program thinking you'll be pulling people over, brandishing a firearm, going out on raids etc. etc. because you do see a lot of Auxiliaries who think they are "actual" cops.

It's a good program to learn and to be exposed to the policing world. You do a lot of community events and assist regular members in crowd control at certain events and in Search and Rescue situations. I don't know what the OPP Aux program entails but generally it's the same across the board.

Just remember Auxiliary Police here in Canada is extremely different than what it is in England and in the States.

Many former Aux members go on to become Full P.C.'s; just don't go into the Aux Program thinking you'll be pulling people over, brandishing a firearm, going out on raids etc. etc. because you do see a lot of Auxiliaries who think they are "actual" cops.

It's a good program to learn and to be exposed to the policing world. You do a lot of community events and assist regular members in crowd control at certain events and in Search and Rescue situations. I don't know what the OPP Aux program entails but generally it's the same across the board.

Just remember Auxiliary Police here in Canada is extremely different than what it is in England and in the States.

When did the Chief make those remarks? I assume after he was deemed an enemy of the state? Yet if he was so bad as they claim, why wasn't he fired before? Why wasn't he fired prior to making those claims?
 
Look at Adrian Schoolcraft where the release of his tapes sent him to a mental evaulation for six days. Cpl. Catherine Galliford of the RCMP was discredited by the RCMP and members of her Division, yet she did 16 years as a Mountie and was the face of BC RCMP.

Like I said, Read his Manifesto with an open mind. He was attempting to uncover Police Misconduct and how the brass often sweeps it under the rug because they themselves grew up in the "good old days" where cops never snitched on cops for beating the sh** out of some innocent person.

No one is supporting the actions that he under took to clear his name. This is what ticks me off that everyone who supports or remotely supports Dorner's manigesto is automatically labelled as some sick scum bag who should rot in hell. NO ONE SUPPORTS THE MURDER OF INNOCENT PEOPLE PERIOD.  What they are supporting is the fact that he was attempting to uncover something here. As I mentioned earlier in a previous post all you have to look at and research is the history of police misconduct and how it's investigated then look at the outcomes of such cases. Rampart ring any bells? Danziger Bridge Shooting?

Look, label me what you want. I support law enforcement just as much as the next person but when cops decide to turn on the oath they swore to uphold (I'm not talking about trying to get a pedophile, rapist or serial murder off the street) I'm talking about cops who often abuse their powers, who beat innocent people for no reason at all and cops who are fanatics when it comes to the "Thin Blue Line".

When did the Chief make those remarks? I assume after he was deemed an enemy of the state? Yet if he was so bad as they claim, why wasn't he fired before? Why wasn't he fired prior to making those claims?
 
Look at Adrian Schoolcraft where the release of his tapes sent him to a mental evaulation for six days. Cpl. Catherine Galliford of the RCMP was discredited by the RCMP and members of her Division, yet she did 16 years as a Mountie and was the face of BC RCMP.

Like I said, Read his Manifesto with an open mind. He was attempting to uncover Police Misconduct and how the brass often sweeps it under the rug because they themselves grew up in the "good old days" where cops never snitched on cops for beating the sh** out of some innocent person.

No one is supporting the actions that he under took to clear his name. This is what ticks me off that everyone who supports or remotely supports Dorner's manigesto is automatically labelled as some sick scum bag who should rot in hell. NO ONE SUPPORTS THE MURDER OF INNOCENT PEOPLE PERIOD.  What they are supporting is the fact that he was attempting to uncover something here. As I mentioned earlier in a previous post all you have to look at and research is the history of police misconduct and how it's investigated then look at the outcomes of such cases. Rampart ring any bells? Danziger Bridge Shooting?

Look, label me what you want. I support law enforcement just as much as the next person but when cops decide to turn on the oath they swore to uphold (I'm not talking about trying to get a pedophile, rapist or serial murder off the street) I'm talking about cops who often abuse their powers, who beat innocent people for no reason at all and cops who are fanatics when it comes to the "Thin Blue Line".

When did the Chief make those remarks? I assume after he was deemed an enemy of the state? Yet if he was so bad as they claim, why wasn't he fired before? Why wasn't he fired prior to making those claims?
 
Look at Adrian Schoolcraft where the release of his tapes sent him to a mental evaulation for six days. Cpl. Catherine Galliford of the RCMP was discredited by the RCMP and members of her Division, yet she did 16 years as a Mountie and was the face of BC RCMP.

Like I said, Read his Manifesto with an open mind. He was attempting to uncover Police Misconduct and how the brass often sweeps it under the rug because they themselves grew up in the "good old days" where cops never snitched on cops for beating the sh** out of some innocent person.

No one is supporting the actions that he under took to clear his name. This is what ticks me off that everyone who supports or remotely supports Dorner's manigesto is automatically labelled as some sick scum bag who should rot in hell. NO ONE SUPPORTS THE MURDER OF INNOCENT PEOPLE PERIOD.  What they are supporting is the fact that he was attempting to uncover something here. As I mentioned earlier in a previous post all you have to look at and research is the history of police misconduct and how it's investigated then look at the outcomes of such cases. Rampart ring any bells? Danziger Bridge Shooting?

Look, label me what you want. I support law enforcement just as much as the next person but when cops decide to turn on the oath they swore to uphold (I'm not talking about trying to get a pedophile, rapist or serial murder off the street) I'm talking about cops who often abuse their powers, who beat innocent people for no reason at all and cops who are fanatics when it comes to the "Thin Blue Line".

It has not been proven that he had bad "police man skills". Have you tried working in a position where your boss hates your guts because you decided to stand up to something? Your reputation and evaulations suffer because you decided you weren't going to keep the status quo. Reputation is a big thing in Law Enforcement and the Military.
 
 
He didn't do this because people were making fun of him. He did this to uncover something, yet again I am not condoning his actions but if you were to objectively analyze his manifesto and the situation at hand, you'd realize that he actually has a point.

 
 
 
 
You have your opinion, I have mine. I don't know what your background is and I'm not going to assume, but wait until you hit the streets with some cop who just wants to beat the sh** out of people and just because of his/her "reputation" as a fighter your claims are instantly dropped and your reputation is tarnished because you decided to do the right thing. The Police Force/Military can be a VERY cruel "brotherhood" especially if you decide to stand up to speak out against police misconduct.

As for your comment regarding affirmative action. How do cops who beat the sh** out of their wives, girl friends or who decide that it's a good idea to take money get on the job?
 
 
This is a general comment to anyone whose in Law Enforcement/Military or those who are pursuing such a career. I hope to god that you guys don't get sucked in to a situation where someone is enforcing this "Code of Silence" and "Thin Blue Line".

It has not been proven that he had bad "police man skills". Have you tried working in a position where your boss hates your guts because you decided to stand up to something? Your reputation and evaulations suffer because you decided you weren't going to keep the status quo. Reputation is a big thing in Law Enforcement and the Military.
 
 
He didn't do this because people were making fun of him. He did this to uncover something, yet again I am not condoning his actions but if you were to objectively analyze his manifesto and the situation at hand, you'd realize that he actually has a point.

 
 
 
 
You have your opinion, I have mine. I don't know what your background is and I'm not going to assume, but wait until you hit the streets with some cop who just wants to beat the sh** out of people and just because of his/her "reputation" as a fighter your claims are instantly dropped and your reputation is tarnished because you decided to do the right thing. The Police Force/Military can be a VERY cruel "brotherhood" especially if you decide to stand up to speak out against police misconduct.

As for your comment regarding affirmative action. How do cops who beat the sh** out of their wives, girl friends or who decide that it's a good idea to take money get on the job?
 
 
This is a general comment to anyone whose in Law Enforcement/Military or those who are pursuing such a career. I hope to god that you guys don't get sucked in to a situation where someone is enforcing this "Code of Silence" and "Thin Blue Line".

Adding on to what to Comm said, Chris Dorner was not really a "bad" guy. All of Dorner's friends said he was fun, intelligent, well-liked, etc. He was merely trying to expose the LAPD's corruptness and as a result got fired by a corrupt Captain. Unfortunately some police departments are just that way. If you really worked for that department, you would see the corruption. The dad of the victim who was faced kicked by Dorner's FTO said there were clear marks on the left of his son's face when he came home that night. No police officer wants to be labeled a snitch by their colleagues and get fired. Dorner stood up and as a result was fired. Think about it, when he car jacked the guy with the white pickup truck, he said he did not want to hurt him. If Dorner shot and killed him, there would be no 911 call and he would have been able to escape. He was not the type to kill random innocent civilians. He could have done much worse things, look at all the recent shootings. Of course this was not the right way to handle it, but consider things from his perspective.

The guy was trying to make something right; he was trying to re instill integrity and honour into a profession that has since been scruntized
every day by cops that he was trying to fight against.
 
Am I condoning his actions? no, as I mentioned he could have used other means or avenues to approach this subject directly. The fact that he killed innocent people goes against every moral values that have been taught to those in the military. I understand his mentality but disagree with his tactics.
 
This "Thin Blue Line" is a toxic poison that has infiltrated every level of management within the majority of large metropolitan police departments. Chris Dorner was merely trying to expose this corruption that has turned cops into the very people they were sworn to put behind bars.
 


That's going to happen; your gonna have people say bad things about a guy who just committed a crime. A "friend" of mine was fired and terminated by the Police Force that I had worked with, from guys that I knew in his Division they said great things about him before he was terminated; after he was terminated they reversed what they said and labelled him a "screw up in training" and "failure".

Another two of my former co-workers were also terminated by the same Force again people were saying great things about them BEFORE they were terminated, afterwards however they went on to say that they were incompetent, lazy and a complete f*** up.

Actually the incident in question had been reported by Dorner before he was terminated, even the guy's father put in a complaint against the Officer in question.
 
 
 
 
 
 
That's the thing, a lot of people have a negative image of law enforcement due to the fact that there are officers whom abuse their powers; thinking just because they have a gun, badge and a uniform they are above the law and are god. I've seen this type of attitude and behaviour and quite honest I was disgusted that these people are "Protecting and Serving". Sure many officer's do the job because they want to make a difference but more often than not the one's whom Chris Dorner was talking about
in his manifesto are the ones that most people see.

The issue of Police brutality and Cops over stepping their boundaries was bound to blow up. Look at it from an OBJECTIVE stand point, you have the MCSO losing their "Federal" status because they were basically harassing every Mexican they could find; You have the Seattle Police Department being investigated by the DOJ for violating CIVIL RIGHTS; You have the Anaheim Police
Department being investigated for shooting four people; You have the Toronto Police Service being hammered for its treatment of the mentally ill, pay and abuse; You have the RCMP under the microscope for violating the Charter, Abusing their rights and discrimination within their own ranks, I mean the list goes on. It was bound to happen at some point. So for people supporting Chris Dorner and the points that he brought out in his manifesto, it's not so hard to believe at all.
 
Again I'm not condoning his actions, I don't think anyone in their right mind would support a guy who killed innocent people; they are supporting the points that the manifesto brought out and supporting the fact that the issue of Police Brutality and the "Thin Blue Line" has been put on the fore front. Charlie Beck even stated that the LAPD was re-opening the claims that he made. For those who say "Oh well, the Thin Blue Line is something that cops can fall back on because of what they see and deal with" Yes, it was created for the mere fact of talking with, counseling and the peer-support of other cops NOT using it to perjure yourself and lying about beating the sh** out of a completely innocent person. 
 
As for the actions of the Police in the stand-off, I don't think they actually had a choice. I mean it was either risk losing 20 guys in an assault or burn the place down; given they could have negotiated with him but he made it pretty clear that he was going to die in a hail of bullets.

 

The guy was trying to make something right; he was trying to re instill integrity and honour into a profession that has since been scruntized
every day by cops that he was trying to fight against.
 
Am I condoning his actions? no, as I mentioned he could have used other means or avenues to approach this subject directly. The fact that he killed innocent people goes against every moral values that have been taught to those in the military. I understand his mentality but disagree with his tactics.
 
This "Thin Blue Line" is a toxic poison that has infiltrated every level of management within the majority of large metropolitan police departments. Chris Dorner was merely trying to expose this corruption that has turned cops into the very people they were sworn to put behind bars.
 


That's going to happen; your gonna have people say bad things about a guy who just committed a crime. A "friend" of mine was fired and terminated by the Police Force that I had worked with, from guys that I knew in his Division they said great things about him before he was terminated; after he was terminated they reversed what they said and labelled him a "screw up in training" and "failure".

Another two of my former co-workers were also terminated by the same Force again people were saying great things about them BEFORE they were terminated, afterwards however they went on to say that they were incompetent, lazy and a complete f*** up.

Actually the incident in question had been reported by Dorner before he was terminated, even the guy's father put in a complaint against the Officer in question.
 
 
 
 
 
 
That's the thing, a lot of people have a negative image of law enforcement due to the fact that there are officers whom abuse their powers; thinking just because they have a gun, badge and a uniform they are above the law and are god. I've seen this type of attitude and behaviour and quite honest I was disgusted that these people are "Protecting and Serving". Sure many officer's do the job because they want to make a difference but more often than not the one's whom Chris Dorner was talking about
in his manifesto are the ones that most people see.

The issue of Police brutality and Cops over stepping their boundaries was bound to blow up. Look at it from an OBJECTIVE stand point, you have the MCSO losing their "Federal" status because they were basically harassing every Mexican they could find; You have the Seattle Police Department being investigated by the DOJ for violating CIVIL RIGHTS; You have the Anaheim Police
Department being investigated for shooting four people; You have the Toronto Police Service being hammered for its treatment of the mentally ill, pay and abuse; You have the RCMP under the microscope for violating the Charter, Abusing their rights and discrimination within their own ranks, I mean the list goes on. It was bound to happen at some point. So for people supporting Chris Dorner and the points that he brought out in his manifesto, it's not so hard to believe at all.
 
Again I'm not condoning his actions, I don't think anyone in their right mind would support a guy who killed innocent people; they are supporting the points that the manifesto brought out and supporting the fact that the issue of Police Brutality and the "Thin Blue Line" has been put on the fore front. Charlie Beck even stated that the LAPD was re-opening the claims that he made. For those who say "Oh well, the Thin Blue Line is something that cops can fall back on because of what they see and deal with" Yes, it was created for the mere fact of talking with, counseling and the peer-support of other cops NOT using it to perjure yourself and lying about beating the sh** out of a completely innocent person. 
 
As for the actions of the Police in the stand-off, I don't think they actually had a choice. I mean it was either risk losing 20 guys in an assault or burn the place down; given they could have negotiated with him but he made it pretty clear that he was going to die in a hail of bullets.

 

So in essence he was your run of the mill, Intel guy with the minimum level of small unit tactics. I'm just reading up on his profile via the release of his Naval Records (Again take it with a grain of salt); being assigned to a Force Protection unit.
 
 
 
Agreed, although I understand where he is coming from and can even barely sympathize with his cause; he could of used other avenues to address this matter. Instead he decided to use the tools and training that he received for evil.
 
 

Again I can only speak in regards to my experiences up here. If his unit was on the ball regarding battle standards then he would have had to work with the guys in his unit, reading up on his Naval Records and seeing that he was assigned to a Force Protection unit the puzzle pieces fall into place.

It is a scary thought simply because the majority of law enforcement officers have no prior military experience and can not "counter" tactics that are taught in the Armed Forces. I.E. Andres Ray (Ceres, CA).

 

But was he attached to a RIVRON Unit? I mean if he did deploy in country (I don't know how it is in the US), I'm assuming he would have gotten the basic Pre-Deployment training package. If he was attached to a RIVRON Unit then they would have had to train him up to their unit standards (to include small unit tactics etc.).

We had clerks and medics attached to our unit. They shot the bare minimum but we made sure that they were trained to our standards when it came to small unit tactics and ambush drills.
 
Given I did seven years in the Canadian Army, I did work with American Marines, Sailors and the Army and it seemed like they knew what they were doing.

One piece of advice that I give to anyone who doubts their abilities.

Never doubt yourself, always be confident and believe that you can attain whatever it is your searching for; in the context of working in either Law Enforcement or Military. Always strive to push your body and mind (especially mind) to it's limits, especially when it comes to physical training, perfecting the art of war or training to overcome your fears, adversaries or martial arts.

Again I have to reiterate this state; SIZE AND HEIGHT DOES NOT MATTER. It's a matter of how hard your willing to go, how bad you want to succeed and how hard you push yourself. A 5'0, 100 pound person can be as dangerous and as tough as a 6'8, 240 pound person.

That's the old Metro Toronto Logo



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Different countries have their own specific unique set of policing methods and the populace it polices. Similarly different organizations also police different environments.

In addition different people have had different experiences dealing with cops; some negative and some positive which unfortunately/fortunately creates their opinion and impression.

I grew up in a poor immigrant community where interactions with Police Officers were often negative simply because either the cops didn't understand where we were coming from (face it, a cop who has never faced one bit of adversity trying to deal with people who face it on a daily basis); often the cops who worked the area were often negative.

Flash-forward now, Having worked with them for over four years in different areas of the city and in different environments; Clearbin put it best the majority of cops are out of touch with today's generation and environment.

I remember working with patrol officers in one area of the city which was predominantly poor, the officer's attitudes created an atmosphere of hate and they were out of touch with the average citizen merely creating an "Us vs. Them" mentality. It was funny because usually it's the other way around where we in the anti-gang/violence unit had that mentality and it would be the patrol officers who had the community-oriented mindset.

Which brings me to another point, the reason why many people have negative views of the police is simply because they view the police as an enforcement only organization rather than community building, I remember the first week my supervisor told me "You have the ability to make someone's day go from bad to good". I see the opposite for many officers in that they make someone's day go from bad to worse. It's funny because the military has the right approach, I was taught in the army that it's not all about destroying things and killing things it's about helping people, it's about going the extra mile to win over the hearts of the village, town or city your in. I don't see that in the Police, and that's why many people have the views they do.

Case in point, Pride Parade is the largest street parade in the City of Toronto. This year I supported the pride parade by being with the Army in uniform marching in support of equality; passing by I see some of my colleagues who didn't smile, didn't talk to anyone and never once did they have fun, of course I saw other colleagues embrace the parade, however you saw more of the former rather than the later.

Before anyone gets pissed off or anything; I've worked for a large metro Police Service in Canada and still do.




I believe the Police are appreciated enough or are over-appreciated; two professions that often gets over looked in the appreciation department are Paramedics and Nurses.

Think about the LARGE salary differences between cops and paramedics or better yet cops and nurses. A cop can earn up to 100K+ here in my City but a Paramedic usually caps off at about 75-80. Half the "sun-shine" list in my Province are cops whilst only the top Paramedic or top nurses make 100+.

Understand that in both the law enforcement profession and military you NEVER do the job for "Thank You", You do it for people who can't protect themselves, you do it to protect the innocent and so that others can enjoy whatever they do without the fear of being assaulted, shot, killed, molested or blown up. Unfortunately I see and worked with far too many police officers who wear the uniform for all the wrong reasons and expect in return everything.




Your entitled to your opinion just as everyone else; and yes a lot of people do not appreciate law enforcement for a variety of reasons and I understand that. The reasons you have listed are all valid responses to what I hear on the street or in the papers here in Canada everyday, and I'll be blunt some of it I agree on and is true.

But I do believe that your opinion should be created in a different post; as I would love to comment on some of the things that I have seen. I agree with a lot of your points and would like to chime in on them, however I feel as if this might be a diversion of the orginial topic.


One final point is, Never Forget the Law Enforcement Officers, Paramedics, Fire Fighters, Soldiers, Sailors, Marines, Airmen, Nurses who have given up their lives to make the world a little better for everyone else.

Before anyone gets pissed off or anything; I've worked for a large metro Police Service in Canada and still do.




I believe the Police are appreciated enough or are over-appreciated; two professions that often gets over looked in the appreciation department are Paramedics and Nurses.

Think about the LARGE salary differences between cops and paramedics or better yet cops and nurses. A cop can earn up to 100K+ here in my City but a Paramedic usually caps off at about 75-80. Half the "sun-shine" list in my Province are cops whilst only the top Paramedic or top nurses make 100+.

Understand that in both the law enforcement profession and military you NEVER do the job for "Thank You", You do it for people who can't protect themselves, you do it to protect the innocent and so that others can enjoy whatever they do without the fear of being assaulted, shot, killed, molested or blown up. Unfortunately I see and worked with far too many police officers who wear the uniform for all the wrong reasons and expect in return everything.




Your entitled to your opinion just as everyone else; and yes a lot of people do not appreciate law enforcement for a variety of reasons and I understand that. The reasons you have listed are all valid responses to what I hear on the street or in the papers here in Canada everyday, and I'll be blunt some of it I agree on and is true.

But I do believe that your opinion should be created in a different post; as I would love to comment on some of the things that I have seen. I agree with a lot of your points and would like to chime in on them, however I feel as if this might be a diversion of the orginial topic.


One final point is, Never Forget the Law Enforcement Officers, Paramedics, Fire Fighters, Soldiers, Sailors, Marines, Airmen, Nurses who have given up their lives to make the world a little better for everyone else.

The RCMP is a fine organization steeped in history and tradition. I've met RCMP guys who were pretty cool guys to work with whilst others were out right a** holes who though they were better than everyone else.




If memory serves me right, you have to do the Written RPAB, PARE (Psyhical), Initial Interview, Pre-Psych Questionaire, Psych/Polygraph, Background Investigation. I might be missing a few things there but usually the steps are similar if not the same to other Provincial and Municipal Services. I'd suggest you'd contact an RCMP recruiter if you want to find more info.

As for steps, It's difficult to judge not knowing your background (education, previous jobs etc.)



All members of the RCMP have to go through the initial six month Basic Constable Training in Regina, Saskatchewan. No if's and or but's, the facility you are referring to is the regional training centre used for career progression purposes and or requalification purposes and not recruit training.

You'll get three options as to which Division you would like to be posted, however like all Government jobs that entail security, law enforcement or defence your at the mercy of the organization (some posting positions have a mandatory time limit before your allowed to transfer). I've heard that the majority of new recruits are posted either to Surrey Detachment or Moncton Detachment (as they are the two largest detachments that the RCMP has).

As I prepare to deploy in a few days, I would like to share one of my favorite Marine Corps quotes: "There are only two kinds of people that understand Marines: Marines and the enemy. Everyone else has a second-hand opinion."
To all future Marines or soldiers in this community, I would like to leave this message:
You might be hated by world, heck you will be hated by the world, but remember what YOU do on the battlefield is what counts and what will change the world forever. You will always be remembered, hated or hero. ~Semper Fi!~