And none of us know if the police put him on the ground in the first place, so both of our arguement's don't really matter, there is no reason whatsoever for an officer of the law to not be able to handle a situation without causing harm or not be repromanded for shooting a dog they had no business shooting, pretty sure if a dog was being hit with 30,000 volt's of electricity, it's gonna go down.

Sure, the dog goes down - for 5 seconds (the length of a taser pulse). Then, it keeps attacking. Tasers don't last forever.

There are only two ways to stop someone who is attacking a cop: Convince them to stop (possibly by inflicting pain until they do), or PHYSICALLY stop them. If you physically stop them, just stopping them once isn't enough; they have to STAY stopped. A taser can't do that. The only things that can are restraints (such as handcuffs and/or an officer holding the person down), or killing them. Normally, the goal is to put the person in a situation where they know it's a bad idea to fight (for example, the implicit threat of being clubbed if you try anything funny). That doesn't really work with dogs; you can't rely on them voluntarily stopping. You can't handcuff a dog. That leaves "officer wrestling with dog" as the only non-lethal way to stop it, and it's much riskier for the cop to do that than to shoot the dog (dog bites can result in serious injury). The cop is also under much less of an obligation to avoid lethal force; the life of a dog is not *that* important, legally.

Sure, the dog goes down - for 5 seconds (the length of a taser pulse). Then, it keeps attacking. Tasers don't last forever.

There are only two ways to stop someone who is attacking a cop: Convince them to stop (possibly by inflicting pain until they do), or PHYSICALLY stop them. If you physically stop them, just stopping them once isn't enough; they have to STAY stopped. A taser can't do that. The only things that can are restraints (such as handcuffs and/or an officer holding the person down), or killing them. Normally, the goal is to put the person in a situation where they know it's a bad idea to fight (for example, the implicit threat of being clubbed if you try anything funny). That doesn't really work with dogs; you can't rely on them voluntarily stopping. You can't handcuff a dog. That leaves "officer wrestling with dog" as the only non-lethal way to stop it, and it's much riskier for the cop to do that than to shoot the dog (dog bites can result in serious injury). The cop is also under much less of an obligation to avoid lethal force; the life of a dog is not *that* important, legally.

 

Watch the video i just posted, the cop tazed the dog just fine, and it ran off.. bullet's cause more damage then tazer's do, he could have missed a hit someone else, sorry, but i think i'd rather get hit with a tazer then a bullet..

I really love dogs, but I think that cop acted right. I was almost killed by a dog. You can't imagine how easily dog can knock down a person and get to throat. I live only because somehow I managed to grab the dog's neck and keep him away from mine. Thankfully I had great surgeon and he fixed my face really well ;)

1. This dog was less likely to run off, because it thought it was protecting something.

2. In your video, the cop the dog ran at drew his gun. The other cop tased the dog. In the NYPD video, the cop who was attacked fired immediately.

3. It doesn't matter what the dog wanted. The cop would rather not take the risk of a bite. There's no question that it was *legal* for the cop to shoot the dog; when an animal threatens to hurt a person, it is generally legal to kill it. Animals don't really have the same right to life that people do.

4. Of course bullets cause more damage than tasers. If the NYPD issued a gun that caused less damage than tasers, that would be a problem. What's your point?

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Lets face it no one wants to see animals get hurt or die, but no one wants to be hurt by an animal. What the officer did may not be acceptable in society's eyes but we probably all would have done the same.

Taser maybe? Why shoot a dog PROTECTING his owner? R.I.P. Innocent dog.

 

A TASER is 50-60 000 volts, that would kill a dog

holy shit thats just made me kind of get a tear in my eye and feel really sick!:( They could of put the dog out of its pain atleast?

 

holy shit thats just made me kind of get a tear in my eye and feel really sick!:( They could of put the dog out of its pain atleast?

 

The dog bled out on the street, you can see it bleed out towards the very end.

The dog bled out on the street, you can see it bleed out towards the very end.

Animal cruelty

I'd think of it this way; if a dog charges at you intending to cause harm, are you going to sit there and let it harm you, and potentially others? I know I wouldn't. Either way something was going to be done about that dog so that emergency services could help it's owner, and it just chose to attack the officer which resulted with him shooting it. 

Raw muscle memory. I'm sure if the cop could take a second and look at the situation he could use a less lethal alternative.
But he didn't have a second because a dog was running at him.
 

If you want to look at a situation were the cops are completely in the wrong, look up what my neighborhood cops up here in Commerce City CO (Commerce City PD) did to a pit bull about a month ago.


 

...or you could tell us, and not make us look it up?

The dog bled out on the street, you can see it bleed out towards the very

If you read the article, the dog didn't die. It is still alive and authorities are still trying to locate it.

If you read the article, the dog didn't die. It is still alive and authorities are still trying to locate it.

 

My mistake, it must have been a similar video, cause i watched one where a cop shot a dog and watched it bleed out, i think they had the dog pinned down on the road.

It sucks but, they needed to help the poor guy.

I am very prejudicial in such cases because i know a lot of people who think nothing of shooting a dog or anything else really. It really is a person problem and one of the few cases where i will have to say your occupation is not a determinant. 

 

A few counties over there was an instance when some cop was i dont even know what he was doing, going through people's backyards (fenced) allegedly looking for contraband in connection to something something nobody really knows.

 

So he was roaming about and he stumbled upon this one yard where he encountered some retriever mix. Shot it point blank and resumed his roaming. Didn't call it in, didn't file it, nothing.

 

Owners come in from work in a few hours and find their dog shot. Call the cops and nobody knows anything. Then they eventually get to the security cameras and see the cop entering the yard (no camera @ back). They raise hell and eventually cop is tracked down. His reason was he "felt threatened" and took "appropriate action". Because where that happened they are less than ethical nothing took place, not even a dent on his record (which is worth nothing).

 

In my city, a k9 unit was responding to a call (that was in mid 2010), it was some domestic bs, he figured he would be in an out quick. So he gets there and parks the car, which happens to be on a particularly strong incline (like a really crappy driveway, you know the ones). Car is running, its about 104 outside, just typical summer here. And things get dragged on inside, there is some he said she said, everybody wants to press charges, file reports and statements etc etc. Quick call turns into like a 40 minute affair. Another unit gets there to help process it all and separate the parties and get it all done. The backup is heading out, original unit still inside wrapping things up ensuring they wont beat each other up again after he leaves. 2nd unit goes outside and and shortly comes back and it is like

 

"your car isn't running..."

 

Guy storms out and short story dog has baked inside. That person wasn't right for 3 months after that and left the canine division. That was his pet and his work associate he took it home after each shift. His kids were growing up with it for the past 2 years and what not. He was a wreck and he is the kind of person who would never harm a dog unless in absolute dire situation, uniform or not.  What happened? Too big of an incline, too little fuel in tank and fuel pump ran dry and car shut off as it was there for over an hour.

 

These are two local stories that i feel are pretty reflective on how people view animals. Some fall in between but the vast majority are on either extreme.

Pardon my language but this stuff pisses me right off, it's alright for a cop to shoot a dog that was CLEARLY protecting it's owner and letting the cop know to back off, but yet if i shot a Police Dog, i'd go to jail for the rest of my life, this stuff, is not alright in my book's he could have tazed it at the very least.. they may have a job to do, but someone tell me where it makes sense to shoot a dog when it's duty is to protect it's master against stuff like this, a dog doesn't see a cop, he see's aggression toward's his master, yet the fucker shot it anyway, my dog is scared shitless of police, he cower's at the site of them, no idea why..

 

First off, the dog wasn't really protecting it's owner. The owner was on floor due to a seizure, and the dog was keeping help from coming to the owner.

Secondly, if you shot a police dog you'd probably only go to jail for a few months.

 

Sure, he could have tazered the dog but you'd have to understand why he didn't. In the video you linked there were several officers prepared to take down the dog. One or two already had their tazers out. In this case the officer was taken off guard, and had very little time to react. 

First off, old news.

 

I'm not going to comment on the actual shooting of the dog, however, firing the handgun with bystanders in the background, within the line of fire, was supremely stupid.

I don't see any of the officers in the video wearing tasers; I've always thought it strange that NYPD doesn't seem to have them. It greatly reduces the available outcomes for a situation like this.

 

So, given the known circumstances, it was a good shoot in my opinion. There was no other viable option.

 

Officer safety is priority one, period, end of discussion.

 

If a human being ran at an officer, and that officer reasonably believed that he was in imminent danger of death or serious bodily harm, it would be a good shoot; same rule applies to animals.

 

As much as we all may like to think of dogs as cute cuddly pets and man's best friend, it simply is not true. A dog is capable of killing a human being in seconds, just takes one good bite to the leg or neck which is what the dog naturally tries to bite.

 

I'd much rather watch a dog lay on the street and bleed out than to have to watch a police officer bleed to death with a dog latched onto his neck viciously mauling him. That may sound cold but, welcome to the real world.

It looked to me like the officer on the left may have had a Taser, but it's unclear. Anyway, NYPD officers in general have less equipment than many other departments (for example, patrol officers aren't issued shotguns), so I wouldn't be surprised if they don't issue Tasers. Keep in mind that they need to train 40,000 officers in whatever equipment they issue.