"when negations fail, let the bullets impale"

Or, as I like to put it:

~(~P) ->

Edited October 8, 201213 yr by cp702

I Have nothing but respect for the police here in canada and around the world they all do a exellent job

Cant wait to join the ranks of the Canadian Forces Military Police

Also, shouldn't this thread go in Random?

Agreed, thread moved to the "Random" section.

Edited October 8, 201213 yr by JAM-Justin35

lol i have respect for cops but not very much,

i'm from dc and around here cops are known for being corrupt.

it's kinda of hard to trust cops when you come up from a poverty ridden neighborhood and every time the police come around things usually go from bad to worse.

the metropolitan police of dc is known for having corrupt police officers all the way up into the high ranking officers.

i know for some it's hard to believe that cops are bad or are corrupt but it's a part of life.

to those who turn their head and say that majority of the cops don't abuse there power is naive.

nypd is known for racial profiling, unwarranted beating,greed,corruption, and theft.

also as well as lapd,dc police dept, prince George's county Maryland, la Florida.

i have first hand witnessed cops overacting to threats that are no match for them.

now granted there are some good cops, but ALOT of cops have a unwelcoming attitude towards people in general, not to mention minorities.

i not saying that all cops are bad, but i think people give them alittle more credit then they deserve at times.

My opinion is most police are good guys who talk to you with respect and dont think there better than you, most ov the time its the women who are the nice ones but also some police i have met are just plonkers who have bad attitude, and Shouldn't be working for the public, I realy dont like the PCSO also known as plastic police round my way, who dont even no what the law is and try making there own up, like this idiot below

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Vj4imfGXYo

Police take an oath to uphold the law of the land, but all i seem to see is them making money for the government who rip off the public and keep extorting hard earned money from you so they have a life of luxury and big bonuses, they even claim for toilet roll, kitkats, a trip to another country and a house they dont have that they sold years back as seen on british tv, they are conmen, why the hell should we pay for there house? we work and pay rent so why cant they? dont get me wrong i like to be part ov society but minus the tv licence the very high tax rate that keeps rising and pointless fines also the government wages, and meny other money making things. Police should be peace keepers not debt collectors. THIS IS JUST MY OPINION

PCSO=?

PCSO=?

Public Community Safety Officers..Its here in the U.K that theyr'e used.Basically they patrol but dont have the same powers as police so they attend to things like grafiti or smaller call-outs. :) (I think)

Well, that escalated quickly...

FWIW, it's a rule in many PD's that you are supposed to unload your entire magazine when opening fire. Shoot to kill, not to maim.

no they don't they shoot to stop the threat so don't pull that on me. If they shoot to kill by do so many people survive though police shootings? Shoot kill when there on th ground surrendering why don't they just walk up to them and shoot them???

I cant say anything for other countrys policeofficers (since im from Norway)

But i do like the ones from my community.

Had one episode with the police superintendant there wich was a bit cool.

I was out walking my dog one late evening and i was just about to cross the police office yard when the superintendant drove out infront of me in a place where civilians ordinary would get a ticket from driving out from. I shaked my finger at him with a joking expression on my face and he stopped. I said to him: "you are not allowed to drive here" And he said to me laughing "Im allowed to drive where ever i want". Then we started to talk about the car (VW Passat 2011 stationwagon unmarked policecar) And i asked him if it was his car. I answered: "No, it belongs to the policeoffice. We are not allowed to have this on our private cars" then he turned on the blue flashing lights. It was awesome!

@Darkangel: We're using different definitions of "shoot to kill". You and Comm are contrasting it with "shoot to stop"; I (and CG Blaze, I assume) are contrasting it with "shoot to maim". The way I define the term, it means that you should only shoot when killing the person is absolutely necessary, and so you shoot with the intent to kill them. If they survive and stop being a threat, awesome, stop shooting, but you are not trying to maim them. You are trying to stop them by killing them.

EDIT: To be clear, I am not saying "empty the magazine". I would say "shoot center mass only if killing them is the only possible way to stop them, and only shoot as long as that is true". I just call that "shooting to kill", because I implicitly contrast it with "shooting to maim".

Edited October 8, 201213 yr by cp702

@Darkangel: We're using different definitions of "shoot to kill". You and Comm are contrasting it with "shoot to stop"; I (and CG Blaze, I assume) are contrasting it with "shoot to maim". The way I define the term, it means that you should only shoot when killing the person is absolutely necessary, and so you shoot with the intent to kill them. If they survive and stop being a threat, awesome, stop shooting, but you are not trying to maim them. You are trying to stop them by killing them.

EDIT: To be clear, I am not saying "empty the magazine". I would say "shoot center mass only if killing them is the only possible way to stop them, and only shoot as long as that is true". I just call that "shooting to kill", because I implicitly contrast it with "shooting to maim".

You put it into better words than I ever could've, lol. This is precisely what I mean. Shooting is a last resort, when all other options are exhausted/failed. The logic behind the policy is basically a humanitarian thing. If you shoot a suspect and permanently injure them or something, that's a whole lot of liability issues, a whole lot of paperwork and an overall bad PR move at the most basic level, without getting too deep into it.I'm sure it varies department to department, but here in NY, that's the way it's done. For the record, this info is coming straight from the law/policing classes I took in college (and never went anywhere with lol). The professor was a retired MTA Police officer/detective.

@Darkangel: We're using different definitions of "shoot to kill". You and Comm are contrasting it with "shoot to stop"; I (and CG Blaze, I assume) are contrasting it with "shoot to maim". The way I define the term, it means that you should only shoot when killing the person is absolutely necessary, and so you shoot with the intent to kill them. If they survive and stop being a threat, awesome, stop shooting, but you are not trying to maim them. You are trying to stop them by killing them.

I understand where you guys are coming from; it was just worded differently in the previous post and I took it as if you guys were saying that cops should be taught to shoot to kill.

There is a stark difference in terms. That's one of the differences you learn in tactical training; and that's also a point in contention when debating about Police Tactical Teams (one of the reasons why the RCMP SERT was disbanded).

Shoot to kill is often attributed to killing a person as the first means of defense (i.e. the whole shoot first, ask questions later), shoot to stop is attributed as the last resort when dealing with a conflict situation.

Obviously the Police and Military are the only two agencies I can think of where the Rules of Engagement are dictated by the situation at hand.

Edited October 8, 201213 yr by Comm

If you guys really want to see some passionate policing. Check out the Alaska State Troopers second episode from yesterday called "Extreme Justice". The police literally beg the guy to not kill himself.

Also with the talk about corruption, I love my small department in my area cuz I am sure there is corruption, the old Sheriff got jailed for it, but it isnt major because they are small. :D

I understand where you guys are coming from; it was just worded differently in the previous post and I took it as if you guys were saying that cops should be taught to shoot to kill.

There is a stark difference in terms. That's one of the differences you learn in tactical training; and that's also a point in contention when debating about Police Tactical Teams (one of the reasons why the RCMP SERT was disbanded).

Shoot to kill is often attributed to killing a person as the first means of defense (i.e. the whole shoot first, ask questions later), shoot to stop is attributed as the last resort when dealing with a conflict situation.

Obviously the Police and Military are the only two agencies I can think of where the Rules of Engagement are dictated by the situation at hand.

I think the lesson here is that terminology is a pain. Was what I described as "shoot to kill" what you describe as "shoot to stop"?

if they treat me with respect ill will treat them with respect...ive run across couple of dick head cops on power trips but they arent all bad...i have a few friends who are cops

People from my generation were largely ones with crappy attitudes about a lot of things, the police included. And now, those people are having kids, passing their crappy attitudes onto their children and making things worse.

To sum up my thoughts, based on actual insight into the job (as opposed getting a traffic ticket and fighting in court and losing because you're an idiot driver and can't obey a stop sign):

-I think I respect the police, what they do, what they risk by doing it, and the effect it has on our community.

-I think for every bad cop, there are 10 good ones.

-I think people associate police with simply taking people to jail, fining them money and taking away peoples drugs and alcohol.

-I think anyone who's been on the receiving end of a domestic violence scenario, been robbed, had their car stolen or even simply locked their keys in the car gain a whole new perspective of the police in a matter of moments. And suddenly their job is valuable to them again.

To reiterate, and to sum things up, I think my generation is a bunch of whiny hypocrites, and society's views on what they're entitled to will only go downhill from here. If anyone here is thinking of becoming a police officer, I don't think you can do it for the thanks you get anymore. Do it for the feeling you get by helping out victims, your sense of self satisfaction and sense of self worth, and the better sleep you get at night.

Okay, what you ALL have to remember, is that the police are hunted men and woman. Especially in the US where gun crime is some of the highest in the world police are constantly on their guard (I know if I had to be that 'on the ball' just when doing a traffic stop I'd crack), there's the possibility that every call we respond to, could be a joke, OR could end your life. This means that police are constantly 'ticking over' what could happen.

STOP taking this stance on police. All you think about is that we drive cars and get paid to wear a uniform, we get to fight people, and (especially on this website because you're all so sexy) that we do a good job. Until you join the rank and file of police, you'll never have such a feeling of comradeship, you have to understand that these people are my family, and the face that you do a job next to them, makes you want to try and protect them as much as you can. Even, if it means pulling that trigger.

Trust me, this is like no other job on the planet, everything you do, could end your life.

Hi,

(My opinion) i live in Portugal and my dad is a police officer here in PSP (the portuguese police force), and i think some police officers in here are much worse than police officers in the USA, because i see some police series in national geopgraphic, but i do think that there are some police officers in here that are good persons(an i dont say that just because dont give a ticket or something...)

So i think that depends, because there are the both tipes of police officers, those that just are bad for everyone and rude, and those that are nice to people....

And i respect cops and aprecciate the job they do...Protecting us... Just think if the Police didnt exist(Creepy humm?...)

(my opinion)

Edited October 9, 201213 yr by Andre Amorim

Okay, what you ALL have to remember, is that the police are hunted men and woman. Especially in the US where gun crime is some of the highest in the world police are constantly on their guard (I know if I had to be that 'on the ball' just when doing a traffic stop I'd crack), there's the possibility that every call we respond to, could be a joke, OR could end your life. This means that police are constantly 'ticking over' what could happen.

STOP taking this stance on police. All you think about is that we drive cars and get paid to wear a uniform, we get to fight people, and (especially on this website because you're all so sexy) that we do a good job. Until you join the rank and file of police, you'll never have such a feeling of comradeship, you have to understand that these people are my family, and the face that you do a job next to them, makes you want to try and protect them as much as you can. Even, if it means pulling that trigger.

Trust me, this is like no other job on the planet, everything you do, could end your life.

* COUGH * MILITARY, POLITICS, BEING IN A GANG, EMS, FIRE DEPARTMENT * COUGH *

Even if you feel comradeship it doesn't okay defending them when they're in the wrong.

Edited October 9, 201213 yr by CrearBIn