i think they're really cool honorable people

Politics? "Everything you do could end your life"? Are...are you serious?

See, EMS, fire, military, those make sense. Gang member, well, that isn't exactly what anyone calls a respectable job or one that we should support.

Any claim that politics is "everything you do can end your life" is ridiculous. Completely, totally ridiculous. Seriously. Lose the video, find some stats if you want to back up the claim.

See, EMS, fire, military, those make sense. Gang member, well, that isn't exactly what anyone calls a respectable job or one that we should support.

Any claim that politics is "everything you do can end your life" is ridiculous. Completely, totally ridiculous. Seriously. Lose the video, find some stats if you want to back up the claim.

Politics can end your life, and mine, and everyone's. Politics = Gov't maybe I should have phrased that better....

We're talking about jobs that people have. Not generic "things that can end your life". I really don't see how "government can end your life" plays into this discussion. Unless you're talking about police policies on shooting people, but we had that discussion.

We're talking about jobs that people have. Not generic "things that can end your life". I really don't see how "government can end your life" plays into this discussion. Unless you're talking about police policies on shooting people, but we had that discussion.

My arguement was that your statement that Law Enforcement is the only job that, around every corner, you can die..

I didn't say that. Someone else did. I disagree with it, because: military, EMS, fire (as you rightly pointed out).

However, when you say that politics has death around every corner, I find it incredibly hard to take you seriously.

Politics, itself, is a very deadly element in life. There's a reason why military and politics don't get involved with each other. Let's just leave it at that.

I think most of the Cops just do their Job. I don't deny that there are some corrupt cops (RAMPART) but thats not the majority. Like i said. I belive that most of them just do their job and want get home save every night.

And let's be honest..If you get arrested it was mostly your own fault.

It's not the Police Officer who sold the drugs..it was you..

In an Episode of COPS there was that Women who said "I hate Cops. they are ruin lives."

In My Opinion that complete bullshit. YOU are the one who is responsible for your actions and if you decide to do criminal Acts then i don't get why you are complaining about the fact that the officer is doing his job and arrest your ass.

Not the Cop fucked you up...you fucked yourself up!

While most people on here would get on me for this, it is perfectly acceptable for citizens to hate cops for reasons besides a few citizens being criminals. When cops raid homes without warrants for freedom of speech, it is unacceptable. Don't claim it was imminent danger, if it was they would've checked to make sure they had the right house. And pay special attention to the part where they refused to show the warrant. When homes get raided for a marriage argument without a warrant, simply because of their political beliefs, it is unacceptable and criminal behavior. Don't claim that in the video they talk about a grow area, in the article it says that those were proven to be tomatoes. When cops violate the 4th amendment and illegally stop and frisk over 700,000 people a year in the name of filling quotas, then proceed to call a minority a "f***ing mutt," it is unacceptable behavior that should not be tolerated. When Posse Comitatus, a law designed to keep military from performing police actions in America outside of explicit emergencies, is circumvented by giving cops military gear, including drones, it is unacceptable. When cops combined with national guard illegally remove peoples' second amendment right, for no excuse besides public safety, it is unacceptable.

I'm tired of seeing the bullshit argument of "they're just doing their job." This argument is overused, but Nazi's were just doing their jobs too, and that didn't save many of them from the death penalty. I'm tired of seeing people defend bad cops by lopping people critical of them as "just criminals angry they got caught," when there are many citizens who have not been charged with a crime that are concerned over the growing corruption. I'm tired of being lectured that being an American is not questioning your governments actions and sitting down and shutting up like they yell you. I'm tired of seeing the few good cops left getting a bad name because of the jackbooted thugs wanting to look tough to the rest of the force by beating disabled people or shooting unarmed men, then getting away with it because the department doesn't want to look bad.

So to answer the OP's question, no, I don't respect cops. I don't respect anyone until I know them, especially just because of a job title.

Edited October 12, 201213 yr by c13

^best response in this thread by far

While most people on here would get on me for this, it is perfectly acceptable for citizens to hate cops for reasons besides a few citizens being criminals. When cops raid homes without warrants for freedom of speech, it is unacceptable. Don't claim it was imminent danger, if it was they would've checked to make sure they had the right house. And pay special attention to the part where they refused to show the warrant. When homes get raided for a marriage argument without a warrant, simply because of their political beliefs, it is unacceptable and criminal behavior. Don't claim that in the video they talk about a grow area, in the article it says that those were proven to be tomatoes. When cops violate the 4th amendment and illegally stop and frisk over 700,000 people a year in the name of filling quotas, then proceed to call a minority a "f***ing mutt," it is unacceptable behavior that should not be tolerated. When Posse Comitatus, a law designed to keep military from performing police actions in America outside of explicit emergencies, is circumvented by giving cops military gear, including drones, it is unacceptable. When cops combined with national guard illegally remove peoples' second amendment right, for no excuse besides public safety, it is unacceptable.

I'm tired of seeing the bullshit argument of "they're just doing their job." This argument is overused, but Nazi's were just doing their jobs too, and that didn't save many of them from the death penalty. I'm tired of seeing people defend bad cops by lopping people critical of them as "just criminals angry they got caught," when there are many citizens who have not been charged with a crime that are concerned over the growing corruption. I'm tired of being lectured that being an American is not questioning your governments actions and sitting down and shutting up like they yell you. I'm tired of seeing the few good cops left getting a bad name because of the jackbooted thugs wanting to look tough to the rest of the force by beating disabled people or shooting unarmed men, then getting away with it because the department doesn't want to look bad.

So to answer the OP's question, no, I don't respect cops. I don't respect anyone until I know them, especially just because of a job title.

So let me get this together

1. You have no respect for other people just because you don't know them (why do you want them to respect YOU then?)

2. You compare Cops to Nazis

3. You said the Argument that Cops just do there jobs is overused...funny..I remeber how much arguments you had back in the 9/11 discusion and let me tell you...they where all "overused" but that didn't stoped you from spaming them around didn't it?

Of course some Cops make bad decisions. Of course there is some shit going on.. And yes there are also criminal corrupt cops... We can't deny that. BUT there are also good Cops and good things about cops. Don't act like all they are doing is sitting in the Squad Car and eat donuts. There are a lot of cops that are really willing to help you if you need them.Your post is again just one sided.

Do you know how many cops get shot every day around the world?

If you work in a job where people hate you just because you wear a uniform you wil have to watch your back double and you would realize that those "raids" and the behavor of cops is not because they want to fuck you for no reason...it's because expirence showed that these are the situations that are the most dangerous.

How dare you are to speak about "what they are doing right or wrong"...do you have expirence in that job?

Did a cop ever "raid" into your house? No? Well why don't you shup up then? You wasn't at scene when it happend eighter right?

So all you do is repeat the shit some dude in a article said that btw you don't even know.

How dare you are to speak about "what they are doing right or wrong"...do you have expirence in that job?

This is where I have a problem. Though I respect the police, the idea that they should not be criticized is really dangerous. In fact, if you compare cops now to cops in the past, you'll find that cops now are much, much less corrupt, in large part due to people who are willing to criticize them.

This is where I have a problem. Though I respect the police, the idea that they should not be criticized is really dangerous. In fact, if you compare cops now to cops in the past, you'll find that cops now are much, much less corrupt, in large part due to people who are willing to criticize them.

no I mean just because you read about a dirty cop that did someone wrong in New York (just an example) it dosen't mean you should go to your Local department and scream "all cops are bastards" xD thats the thing i meant.

Not every Cop is corrup. Sure..some are... But not all xD

You can't (or you shouldn't) hate the entire police system for the mistakes that some single cops are doing

However, you say that his argument is very one sided. When the majority of people who post here are being one sided. I dont want to slam cops for personal reasons and out of respect. However, I find nothing wrong with demanding to see a warrant or video taping excessive force and then making sure they are found accountable for their actions.

I can tell you this:

If police werent so high above the law(dont say they arent because over and over again they get paid suspension or aquited or not even tried for their actions.) NOW days people are finally starting to do shit about. Around the country, District Attorneys are launching full trials against police officers. Most with Grand Jurys. The problem behind cops is that a lot of them are power hungry bastards with severe issues. Also, the fact they literally get away with murder is pretty ridiculous as well.

So let me get this together

1. You have no respect for other people just because you don't know them (why do you want them to respect YOU then?)

2. You compare Cops to Nazis

3. You said the Argument that Cops just do there jobs is overused...funny..I remeber how much arguments you had back in the 9/11 discusion and let me tell you...they where all "overused" but that didn't stoped you from spaming them around didn't it?

1. I don't expect them to respect me, what I expect them to respect is the constitution and my and others rights, which they as well as our military take an oath to defend against all enemies, foreign AND domestic.

2. I was pointing out that the argument of "they're just people doing their jobs" is a dangerous argument to make and one that Nazi's tried to use. Considering bills like the NDAA, Patriot Act and HR 347, America is being set up much like Germany in the 1930's.

3. See #2. Also, this isn't about 9/11, this is about what people think of police.

Of course some Cops make bad decisions. Of course there is some shit going on.. And yes there are also criminal corrupt cops... We can't deny that. BUT there are also good Cops and good things about cops. Don't act like all they are doing is sitting in the Squad Car and eat donuts. There are a lot of cops that are really willing to help you if you need them.Your post is again just one sided.

As the person above me pointed out, this entire thread is mostly one sided. With the amount of mostly one-sidedness going on, and especially quotes like "people that hate cops are just criminals," a different and rational dose needed to be injected. If you would've bothered reading my post in all entirety, you would've seen that I am tired of seeing good cops being treated like shit because of the actions of the bad ones. I routinely shoot with former and current cops, and we are friendly towards each other.

Do you know how many cops get shot every day around the world?

If you work in a job where people hate you just because you wear a uniform you wil have to watch your back double and you would realize that those "raids" and the behavor of cops is not because they want to fuck you for no reason...it's because expirence showed that these are the situations that are the most dangerous.

Really? Using the excuse of cops getting shot as a reason to not question police actions? People don't hate cops because of the uniform, they hate cops because of how they represent the uniform. This "us vs. them" mentality is one that should be taught in the military, not in domestic peace keeping activities. 50 years ago, it was Officer Friendly as part of a small police force with only a 6 shooter on his side, and maybe a shotgun in the car. Today, cops walk around in full body armor carrying assault rifles with 60-90 rounds on them, despite dropping crime rates in recent years. When people want to play dress up and act like they are part of an occupying force, they should expect people to not appreciate them.

How dare you are to speak about "what they are doing right or wrong"...do you have expirence in that job?

Did a cop ever "raid" into your house? No? Well why don't you shup up then? You wasn't at scene when it happend eighter right?

So all you do is repeat the shit some dude in a article said that btw you don't even know.

This same argument can be placed back on you. As a German, you probably have little knowledge or appreciation for America's constitution, certainly not as much as Americans. What makes you feel you are qualified to tell me whether I am qualified to determine whether the "supreme law of the land" is being broken? Should I not care that a law-abiding citizen gets shot in his own home because police went to the wrong house? Should I not care that people are getting frisked (if we did it, it would be classified as sexual assault) for no reason besides being in the wrong neighborhood? Also, the idea that I shouldn't speak up because it doesn't effect me is one that you should've been taught in History. There was a similar time when people didn't speak up in your home country about violations of civil rights in the late 1930's and early 1940's, and we all know how that turned out.

c13, I agree with you totally. while I have nothing but respect for cops and I actually do like them. When they screw up, they should be held accountable. They should be questioned entirely. WE should not be thrown to the ground because we demand they givwe us the reason why they are searching me.

Also, they need to gain respect for us. Time and again, I am treated like dirt by law enforcement. This goes back to my post where they believe(for lack of a better word) the shit. But they really arent. I want to become a cop when I get older but at the same time, I CAN recognize that the way law enforcement is acting is a little outrageous.

HOWEVER, within the last few posts, a few of you have made it seem like american cops are the issue. That pisses me off. Look around, there are cops in every country that are bad. Hell, look at Mexico, the cops are f*&*ing helping the cartels.

Law enforcement has morhped into something I cannot say I am proud of. It needs to be fixed. AND it is being fixed thanks to:

1) Everyday citizens speaking out

2)Technology

3)Governments finally saying enough is enough

4)The GOOD officers we all have been talking about that do not like where their department is heading.

I fully udnerstand it is a brotherhood and that is why some of you are being so defensive, but admit it, cops are way out of line.

Again, dont get me wrong, I am very grateful for them. So, if anyone reads this is currently working or has worked as a police officer, soldier, or any type of emergency service responder, whether youre part of the problem or part of solving the problem, Thank You For All You Do.

Beckugan1, I think your view is pretty much the same as mine.

Like i said.

I do accept the fact that they are making mistakes...and yes i agree with the fact that you should not love everything cops are doing. It's not like i'm saying that All Cops are superheros. There are all sorts of bad cops out there.

All i want you is to think about the fact that they are not ALL bad. I don't want you to love them or anything. I just want you to think about what you would do if you where in these situations. And in real danger sometimes. (not saying cops are risking their lives 24/7 but lets be honest..it happends some times)

And i don't think it's right to "hate" the entire police for the mistakes that single officers are doing.

Thats like i would say "Hey the other day i got attacked by an Canadian...now i hate the entire Country for it" This is madness!

@cj13

Hit the breaks young man:

This same argument can be placed back on you. As a German, you probably have little knowledge or appreciation for America's constitution, certainly not as much as Americans. What makes you feel you are qualified to tell me whether I am qualified to determine whether the "supreme law of the land" is being broken?

What? Are you telling me as a german i can't tell right from wrong? C'mon dude. This is not about the "supreme law of the land" this is simply about the fact that you don't know how it is to be in these situations (i don't know that too)

Should I not care that a law-abiding citizen gets shot in his own home because police went to the wrong house? Should I not care that people are getting frisked (if we did it, it would be classified as sexual assault) for no reason besides being in the wrong neighborhood?

I never said that. In those cases you are right..But thats the point i'm trying to make...If some Officers do a bad job...why is it ok to hate the entire Police then?

Thats like i would would say "hey the other day i got called an Idiot by an Canadian...now i hate the entire Country for it" This is madness!

Also, the idea that I shouldn't speak up because it doesn't effect me is one that you should've been taught in History. There was a similar time when people didn't speak up in your home country about violations of civil rights in the late 1930's and early 1940's, and we all know how that turned out.

Wow you really rub it in to me that i'm a german don't you? :D The Fact is that a lot of people did but they got killed by a hitler (who by the way wasn't even a nativ german) Anyways.. this isn't about Nazis xD. Listen buddy.. I don't say you shoudln't speak up or not say your opinion..All i want from you is to think befor you do it and that you might have a talk to people who where involvend in those situations befor going on a Holy War against the entire Police xD

Edited October 14, 201213 yr by taximan5

79 replies....this is one hell of a discussion lol