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Funny, I get these but they don't crash the script or my game. When I see it, I just immediately Alt+Delete and free myself back up. Sometimes, I'll get a bunch in a row, but eventually it becomes normal again. (also, I use ELS and high-poly cars, so while game crashes may be a result of the script, my game is just generically unstable. I have had this happen many times without crashing, though).

Maybe!

@c13: LCPDFR is set in Liberty City. The LCPD's logo shows police brutality. Watch the ingame LCPD ads - they don't actually worry about things like "rights". Asking for LCPDFR to enforce following the Constitution is a bit much, given the game setting. Not that it doesn't let you violate the Constitution already - you can shoot people you've arrested instead of taking them to the station, you can arrest people for looking at you funny, you can pull over people because you don't like the car they're driving (I sometimes pull over Faggios while I'm patrolling on a bike, just because), etc. It's a game, not a reflection of reality.

Cops can't demand an ID card (well, they can, but you don't have to produce one), but you do have to tell them your name (Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada). Unless you're driving; then, you obviously have to show them your driver's license (I've heard that cops who really want to see someone's ID will wait until they get in the car, pull them over for some traffic offense, and get their ID that way).

The term for what? And you're correct on the state constitutions. Before the 14th Amendment, states *could* theoretically ignore the Bill of Rights. That doesn't mean they did. Also, post-Civil War was a lot of the expansion of federal power, and I think the explosion of federal power really started in the New Deal, not just post-WWII (though that is still "about WWII").

And in 2010 in McDonald v. Chicago, SCOTUS ruled that the Second Amendment was "so fundamental to ordered liberty" that banning guns would automatically violate the requirement to give due process. That means that it gets incorporated to the states. Before that case, only the federal government had to worry about the Second Amendment; states could legally ban all guns if they so wished. DC v. Heller, the case that said that the Second Amendment is an individual right, only applied to the federal government - DC, as a federal district, has to obey any restrictions that Congress has to obey (for example, states don't need to use grand juries, but DC does), with the exception of the Tenth Amendment (while Congress can't pass a national law against murder [only if it affects the federal government, like if you kill an FBI agent], DC obviously has a law against murder). Important note: Some of the Bill of Rights doesn't apply to the states. States don't need to use a grand jury in felony cases, they never need to have jury trials for lawsuits, they aren't prohibited from levying "excessive" fines, etc.

It appears to have been put up by Amazon itself. I trust Amazon more than most sources, but I'm still wary.

Actually, the sources that say that judges interpret the law are sources that say that the US is a federal republic. Which it is. I'm not saying something controversial here. Interpreting laws is what judges do. Above the trial level, they don't even consider evidence. All they do is interpret the law to see how it applies to the situation. That will be the case in every country. If you say that the Supreme Court shouldn't interpret the Constitution, you go against the entire history of American government. That is a fact. Oh, and by the way: If you reject constitutional interpretation, then your 4th amendment rights have absolutely no meaning to the New York state legal system. The Bill of Rights is only binding on the federal government, originally. It took Supreme Court interpretation of the 14th amendment to say that states have to pay attention to the whole Bill of Rights (the 14th Amendment explicitly requires due process and equal protection, but due process is a clause in the 5th Amendment - extending it to the whole Bill of Rights is actually done on a right-by-right basis, and it doesn't apply to all of them).

I'm sorry, what? That's not how ANY laws work. EVER. Seriously. Literally the ENTIRE POINT of a judge is to interpret the laws, because that's how you apply them. You CANNOT apply a law of any sort without interpretation. Under ANY circumstances. YES, I need to shout this much about this. Simple example: People have the right to free speech, right? What about when they are making death threats? That's speaking, right? If you try to blindly apply the Constitution, you can't make that illegal. And yet, it is a crime, and really should be a crime. As for "who made that up": Have you ever taken a course on American government? First lesson: "There are three branches. The legislative branch makes the laws, the executive branch enforces the laws, and the judicial branch interprets the laws".

Is that listing posted by Rockstar, or by some third-party seller?

Actually, interpreting the Constitution is kind of their job.

Not sure where you're getting that it violates the 4th amendment. The Supreme Court has SPECIFICALLY said you can be detained on reasonable suspicion that you're involved in criminal activity, and then frisked on reasonable suspicion that you're armed (Terry v. Ohio) [note: "reasonable suspicion" is a well-defined standard which is less than "probable cause" - notably, it is the standard for a traffic stop]. EDIT: drdetroit, you have no idea what a police state is. None at all. Here's an ACTUAL story from a police state (the Soviet Union): My best friend's parents were from the USSR. His father was born on March 8, 1953. Notably, this was 3 days after Stalin died. The country was officially in mourning. However, his grandparents were, naturally, happy - they had just had a kid. They came very close to being thrown in prison. For being happy during a mourning period. Because they had had a kid. The only reason they weren't is that Stalin was no longer in power. If something like that had happened while he was still in charge, it would have ended very badly for them. That's the scale of an actual police state situation. Don't even start trying to claim New York State is a police state. You are trivializing the term.

This isn't a "protest". That term deserves better than to be applied to something like this. All it would tell teens is "companies don't care about you, they just care about money". Actually, now that I think about it, that is an important thing for people to learn.

Indeed, SC4 was the game that introduced me to modding (also, it set my expectations for strategy guides WAY too high - SC4 guides had tons of data tables that were INCREDIBLY useful). Also, this thread reminds me that I haven't played it in a while. I'll be back ... in like 6 days.

Or you could put the pics in spoiler tags (maybe 1 set per mod).

pbus has lights as well? Awesome! EDIT: IsEmergencyVehicle also wouldn't do what you want. From the sound of it, that just tests whether a particular car is an emergency vehicle (assuming it's a function; if it's a variable, it *might* work, but not necessarily).

THAT IS CORRECT. WE HAVE BEGUN SHOUTING FOR SOME REASON. WHY IS THIS?

If you spawn a police3 or police4 in single player, it does load it into memory, and so the game will spawn them.

Natives don't really work like that. In general, they are limited to manipulating objects, not types of objects. So, for example, that method could spawn an emergency car (such as police2), but it wouldn't change the type of a vehicle. If it did make a preexisting car into an emergency car, it would likely be called something more like "SetIsEmergencyVehicle".

The *folder* Trainer.asi goes in is the correct folder to put ELS in. Select ELS.ini and ELS.asi and copy them into that folder. Don't replace Trainer.asi, but put ELS in the same folder.

It doesn't seem to be loading ELS at all. You're sure ELS is in the same folder as Trainer.asi?

You need your patch to fall strictly within the LCPD patch boundaries. Otherwise, it will be really distorted.

Which one?

Is there a file in your main directory called ScriptHook.log? Post it if so. Also, do you have LCPDFR? Does it work?