North Korean leader Kim Jong-un and South Korean President Moon Jae-in are meeting at their mutual border.
Mr Kim has crossed over to the southern side, the first North Korean leader to do so since the end of the Korean War.
They will discuss North Korea's indications it could be willing to give up its nuclear weapons. What's happening, is he okay?

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-asia-43903305

Well, seems like he figured out that being remembered as the leader who ended the 50 year long hostility and saved the world from a nuclear war is much better than being vaguely known as "another one of the Kims from North Korea". Got to give credit where credit is due.

 

 

After reading "In Order To Live", I'm convinced Kim has an ulterior motive and some plan in motion.  There's always a chance that this ball of toxic gasses has come to his senses, but I doubt it.

I find it way too odd that after 2 years of permanent defiance, nuclear tests and missile launches he suddenly wants to make peace like that. There must be an agenda behind all this. Kim might be somewhat a psycho, but he's far from being stupid. Wait and see, but it's way too sudden and out of the blue to be completely honest in my opinion. 

I think Trump will be pissed of for this

Trump did to Kim what no other would do to him or his family and barked back.  He pushed him into a corner and he realized that he could no longer be like his dad and threaten others to get his way.  That is how it's been for a long time.  The NK dictators would make alot of noise, threaten war, and all of us would bend a knee and give them what they wanted.  

This time however he realized that in order to survive, he must bow and obey.  That is all this is about, survival.

 

  I am not a Trump supporter, but, I will give him credit when it's due, he shut that little brat up.  NK wouldn't have fires those nukes.  If they did then Korea would no longer be connected to China.

I'd put this more down to China - they all but behind the scenes control what North Korea does, they've clamped down on North Korea's ability to trade and I gather the instability is bad for business, there was also reports that there has been some kind of accident at the facility where North Korea develops and tests its Nuclear Missiles which could be another reason, maybe they came to the conclusion it's far too much effort.

3 hours ago, Officer GILLETTE ABDI said:

I think Trump will be pissed of for this

 

Lol.  Trump could give a shit less about what foreign countries do as long as they stay out of America.

 

20 minutes ago, Ben said:

I'd put this more down to China - they all but behind the scenes control what North Korea does, they've clamped down on North Korea's ability to trade and I gather the instability is bad for business, there was also reports that there has been some kind of accident at the facility where North Korea develops and tests its Nuclear Missiles which could be another reason, maybe they came to the conclusion it's far too much effort.

 

Funny to think Kim barks and barks nonstop, but really, he's on a short leas by China.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/26/world/korea-summit-kang-kyung-wha-amanpour-intl/index.html

 

I find it's funny how people refuse to give Trump any sort of credit for this. For some one with no political experience, he has accomplished what 11 presidents have failed to do. Of course, much more needs to be done to free the people of North Korea, but this is still a major turning point in that campaign.

 

6 hours ago, Officer GILLETTE ABDI said:

I think Trump will be pissed of for this

Are you seriously that over the top with your hatred of Trump that you think he's mad about this? This is by far the single greatest achievement of his presidency so far, and it will be incredibly hard to top.

Edited April 28, 20188 yr by c13

China doesn't control NK, if they did then NK would of stopped their nuclear program and stopped testing nukes near the China-NK boarder.  To China, NK is a barrier to the west and they have not been at good relations with NK since Kim Ill-Sung.  China just uses NK to get cheap stuff and as a much needed boarder from the U.S.  

  The only reason that NK sat down and went to the negotiation table is because Trump did what no other leader in the world ( past and present) could do, and that is put the foot to the dog.

A great step in the right direction. Way better than the US having to turn North Korea into glass.

Summary of Trump rhetoric about North Korea:

 

- We got bigger bombs than you

- Kim, you're ugly and fat

- Kim, you're not Kim from now on, you're Rocket Man

- Rocket Man, did I tell you we got bigger bombs than you?

 

I'd very much like a clear explanation as of why according to some people this kind of diplomatic relations and rhetoric made Kim decide it was good to make peace and actually reach COMPLETE DENUCLEARISATION. North Korea leaders have always been aware of the US arsenal. They're not idiots. Just because an orange man tells them they indeed have that arsenal doesn't make them change their mind, especially so suddenly, especially in a 180° change of direction. When I see someone saying we should credit Trump for that, I can't help but read them like this: "Trump barked at meanie cloudy sky 2 weeks ago: now it's sunny. Credits to Trump!". Makes no sense. Ulterior motives are at play behind the scenes on the NK/China side. Trump has nothing to do with it.

Edited April 28, 20188 yr by Hystery

I think people are letting both their love and hatred of Trump cloud their judgement on this one. 

 

Whether Trumps levying nuclear threats helped pressure Kim, no one can say for certain. What we do know for certain however is that this 180 has been since Kim's meeting with Xi Jinping on the 8th which leads me to believe he is likely the driving force behind this. 

 

It's also worth nothing this is not unprecedented of North Korea. Kim Jong-Il met with Roh Moo-hyun in 2000 and later in 2007 making the exact same promises - denuclearisation of the Korean peninsula, formal end of the war, etc. Spoilers: It was just an attempt to get economic sanctions lifted. If I were a betting man, I'd guess the same thing is happening here. Sanctions were increased back in November when NK fired missiles over Japan, China has gradually been decreasing aid,  and the rumoured destruction of their nuclear testing facility means life is probably starting to get hard for the elites in Pyongyang. 

 

We'll see what happens but I wouldn't get too excited yet. 

3 hours ago, Hystery said:

Summary of Trump rhetoric about North Korea:

 

- We got bigger bombs than you

- Kim, you're ugly and fat

- Kim, you're not Kim from now on, you're Rocket Man

- Rocket Man, did I tell you we got bigger bombs than you?

 

I'd very much like a clear explanation as of why according to some people this kind of diplomatic relations and rhetoric made Kim decide it was good to make peace and actually reach COMPLETE DENUCLEARISATION. North Korea leaders have always been aware of the US arsenal. They're not idiots. Just because an orange man tells them they indeed have that arsenal doesn't make them change their mind, especially so suddenly, especially in a 180° change of direction. When I see someone saying we should credit Trump for that, I can't help but read them like this: "Trump barked at meanie cloudy sky 2 weeks ago: now it's sunny. Credits to Trump!". Makes no sense. Ulterior motives are at play behind the scenes on the NK/China side. Trump has nothing to do with it.

 

1 hour ago, Constable Lego said:

I think people are letting both their love and hatred of Trump cloud their judgement on this one.

Except I already linked the article where South Korean officials explicitly said Trump is responsible for this.

 

How did Trump do it? Two ways, military pressure and economic/diplomatic pressure.

 

First, military pressure. We have the most powerful military the world has ever seen. For one thing our logistical chain is an absolute nightmare towards any potential foes. The US military is currently waging 2 wars in 3 countries across the world from it's home, as well as putting presence and dominating in every single major theater. This projection of power doesn't have a competitor anywhere close to it. When we talk about a foreign military, it's always about how they affect one region. We affect every region.

 

Kim knows this, and while we have had this force projection since WWII, it has been decades since we have threatened the Korean Peninsula with it. Kim knows that with Secretary of Defense Mattis, he will be black bagged and put on a helicopter in the middle of the night when he least expects it if he doesn't cooperate.

 

Next, Trump put massive economic pressure on China. Through his structuring of trade deals, he has shown them that he is powerful and will not be controlled unlike a previous president. You want to see how much China respects Trump? Just look at how they greeted him compared to Obama. Obama was forced by China to walk off the back exit of Air Force One because they wouldn't pull the ramp up for him.

 

Now compare that to Trump's first diplomatic visit with China, where he got a state dinner in the Forbidden Palace. An honor that hasn't been bestowed on a foreign leader since China went communist in 1949.

 

So tell me again why he doesn't deserve any credit for this historic event.

1 minute ago, c13 said:

 

Except I already linked the article where South Korean officials explicitly said Trump is responsible for this.

 

How did Trump do it? Two ways, military pressure and economic/diplomatic pressure.

 

First, military pressure. We have the most powerful military the world has ever seen. For one thing our logistical chain is an absolute nightmare towards any potential foes. The US military is currently waging 2 wars in 3 countries across the world from it's home, as well as putting presence and dominating in every single major theater. This projection of power doesn't have a competitor anywhere close to it. When we talk about a foreign military, it's always about how they affect one region. We affect every region.

 

Kim knows this, and while we have had this force projection since WWII, it has been decades since we have threatened the Korean Peninsula with it. Kim knows that with Secretary of Defense Mattis, he will be black bagged and put on a helicopter in the middle of the night when he least expects it if he doesn't cooperate.

 

Next, Trump put massive economic pressure on China. Through his structuring of trade deals, he has shown them that he is powerful and will not be controlled unlike a previous president. You want to see how much China respects Trump? Just look at how they greeted him compared to Obama. Obama was forced by China to walk off the back exit of Air Force One because they wouldn't pull the ramp up for him.

 

Now compare that to Trump's first diplomatic visit with China, where he got a state dinner in the Forbidden Palace. An honor that hasn't been bestowed on a foreign leader since China went communist in 1949.

 

So tell me again why he doesn't deserve any credit for this historic event.

That's all guessing at best - the United States are having problems with China where they are putting tarrif's on each others exports such, also around 90% of North Koreas external trade comes from China. Yet we are meant to believe that Trump has solved the most difficult continuing conflict in the world, whilst also acting rather undiplomatic and rudely towards Kim Jong Un and partaking in a trade-war against China....

1 minute ago, c13 said:

 

Except I already linked the article where South Korean officials explicitly said Trump is responsible for this.

 

How did Trump do it? Two ways, military pressure and economic/diplomatic pressure.

 

First, military pressure. We have the most powerful military the world has ever seen. For one thing our logistical chain is an absolute nightmare towards any potential foes. The US military is currently waging 2 wars in 3 countries across the world from it's home, as well as putting presence and dominating in every single major theater. This projection of power doesn't have a competitor anywhere close to it. When we talk about a foreign military, it's always about how they affect one region. We affect every region.

 

Kim knows this, and while we have had this force projection since WWII, it has been decades since we have threatened the Korean Peninsula with it. Kim knows that with Secretary of Defense Mattis, he will be black bagged and put on a helicopter in the middle of the night when he least expects it if he doesn't cooperate.

 

Next, Trump put massive economic pressure on China. Through his structuring of trade deals, he has shown them that he is powerful and will not be controlled unlike a previous president. You want to see how much China respects Trump? Just look at how they greeted him compared to Obama. Obama was forced by China to walk off the back exit of Air Force One because they wouldn't pull the ramp up for him.

 

Now compare that to Trump's first diplomatic visit with China, where he got a state dinner in the Forbidden Palace. An honor that hasn't been bestowed on a foreign leader since China went communist in 1949.

 

So tell me again why he doesn't deserve any credit for this historic event.

 

You've quoted me but have yet conveniently skipped over the main part of my post. Interesting.  

 

This isn't completely new for North Korea, nor a 'historic event'. I'll say again, see Jong-Il's meetings in 2000 and again in 2007. 

South Korea have credited Trump for 'opening the door', only time will tell how responsible Trump is for getting Jong-Un to walk through the door. 

 

I'm not attempting to deny the U.S' role but don't start celebrating yet, and don't be surprised when this turns out to be a ploy to try and ease economic sanctions. 

1 hour ago, Constable Lego said:

 

You've quoted me but have yet conveniently skipped over the main part of my post. Interesting.  

 

This isn't completely new for North Korea, nor a 'historic event'. I'll say again, see Jong-Il's meetings in 2000 and again in 2007. 

 

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South Korea have credited Trump for 'opening the door', only time will tell how responsible Trump is for getting Jong-Un to walk through the door. 

 

I'm not attempting to deny the U.S' role but don't start celebrating yet, and don't be surprised when this turns out to be a ploy to try and ease economic sanctions. 

Because my point was on people claiming Trump didn't do anything, not the rest of your post. Even so, this is the first dialog in 11 years, and with the nuclear testing site being destroyed, this has more potential than previous meetings.

2 hours ago, Ben said:

That's all guessing at best - the United States are having problems with China where they are putting tarrif's on each others exports such, also around 90% of North Koreas external trade comes from China. Yet we are meant to believe that Trump has solved the most difficult continuing conflict in the world, whilst also acting rather undiplomatic and rudely towards Kim Jong Un and partaking in a trade-war against China....

It has already been shown China has for more respect for Trump than previous presidents. On a diplomatic level, respect isn't just about being friends. Respect is also shown through demonstrating power.

Edited April 28, 20188 yr by c13

On 4/28/2018 at 1:49 AM, Hystery said:

Summary of Trump rhetoric about North Korea:

 

- We got bigger bombs than you

- Kim, you're ugly and fat

- Kim, you're not Kim from now on, you're Rocket Man

- Rocket Man, did I tell you we got bigger bombs than you?

 

I'd very much like a clear explanation as of why according to some people this kind of diplomatic relations and rhetoric made Kim decide it was good to make peace and actually reach COMPLETE DENUCLEARISATION. North Korea leaders have always been aware of the US arsenal. They're not idiots. Just because an orange man tells them they indeed have that arsenal doesn't make them change their mind, especially so suddenly, especially in a 180° change of direction. When I see someone saying we should credit Trump for that, I can't help but read them like this: "Trump barked at meanie cloudy sky 2 weeks ago: now it's sunny. Credits to Trump!". Makes no sense. Ulterior motives are at play behind the scenes on the NK/China side. Trump has nothing to do with it.

 

 

Trump could contribute to your local food pantries to feed the poor and people like you would still say he did nothing. Haters gonna hate. The sanctions and pressure from the US and China and various other NATO nations have forced him to play his cards. Odd's are he is just buying time and playing nice like always. What he did under Obama " Oh ya' ya' we will totally cease our nuclear program, no worry! ". After being threatened with nuclear obliteration his tune changed rather quickly. North could smush South Korea like an Iron fist, but now with the US standing by they know that is no longer an option. It's not ALL due to Trump, but i would say 1/3 if not 1/2 of it is. It's a shame your political bias and agression towards our current President prevent you from seeing things clearly. I bet if Bernie Sanders was in office you would be kissing his rear end praising this was a result of his work. Multiple peas to a pod, and this pod happens to be strong and conservative again. No worries, in 6 or so years maybe we can go back to passive governing and socialized medicine and all the stuff the commies and liberals here in the US want so badly. 

 

What every modern liberal / democrat / lefty / African American Community wants to do to Trump, you would fit right in America, hating on Trump because you dislike Capitalism or our awesome country or something doesn't help anything. On the 8th of November a big change happened here in the United States. And it's for the better, it's for a better America. Because honestly most Americans are only concerned with AMERICA. Hence America First.

 

Britain - France - Cananda's Thoughts On Trump

 

 

 

 

 

Meanwhile in the United States, outside of all the blue poverty riddled inner cities - The real hard working tax paying Americans celebrate.

 

 

 

Edited April 30, 20188 yr by GTALawEnforcer

Donald Trump will soon sit down to the most consequential negotiation of his career if, as expected, he becomes the first U.S. president to meet a North Korean leader since the devastating war on the peninsula in the 1950s. Trump, of course, wrote a book on dealmaking, only this time nuclear war and peace will hang in the balance, rather than a real estate contract. And on the evidence so far, his sparring partner Kim Jong Un has mastered The Art of the Deal, too. In fact, frequent North Korea visitor Dennis Rodman told TMZ he gave Kim a copy of the book for his birthday in 2017.

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-03/kim-jong-un-is-masterfully-playing-trump-s-game

I think it's the undiplomatic way Trump approaches things is how things work out for him. He is not a politician, like Obama or Clinton. They are always so diplomatic and are obviously going for their own poll ratings. Trump is different, which seems to be working out for him. That makes him quite a logical thinker. No SJW-crap, gun regulation thing etc. 

 

It won't make him that popular by those that love politically correct shit like MSM or hollywood (BIIIIIIGGGGG TIME policor). So I doubt he'll win the elections again, but it's good to have a president that is not going for the next elections win, but instead just does things that are in favour of the country. I think America can thank Trump for what he does as a president. Aside from whatever personal shit his opponents have for him, he hasn't made like enormously bad decisions. Of course that's a matter of perception, like "muslim-ban". Perfectly legal if you ask me. If it is statiscally proven that most terrorists come from those countries, it's matter of national security.