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I am surprised by the comments here like "It's so unrealistic that the officers run towards the hostiles during a shoot-out" or "I am sick of AI ramming into my vehicle during a police chase". I don't have that. During a shoot-out, cops will take cover behind cars or anything that provides cover and after the shootout there is like 2 dead cops which simply got hit during the shootout. Furthermore, I am hardly being rammed. Sometimes they will, but usually I am perfectly fine chasing others and keeping my car in a good shape.

Wow they got him good lol

Wait so they were testing if that bridge was capable of holding a certain load? Best way to test if a bridge is gonna collapse is by LETTING PEOPLE GO UNDER IT 🙄 Hmmm, in this particular case I agree that deaths could have been avoided, but not in all cases I think it's bad. In last century/decades mentality has changed to 'every death is one too many'. We are going in a state of too much security and too much safety. Every little threat to safety has to be eliminated. Not necessarily bad, but in some cases this should not be a thing at all. Especially when it comes to innovations, you can accept some deaths. Best example is the self-driving cars. Every time a self-driving car kills someone or even 'just injures' someone, I see the company responsible putting a halt to testing. I think we are limiting ourselves in innovating ourselves. We should accept that someone got hit by a car, and just move on developing it. What if during the industrial revolutions, the developers of innovations for that time stopped developing it after a death? We would be nowhere near where we are right now.

Sad. This is becoming 'normal' now. It isn't though.

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That's a very dangerous road that you're going in now. Eventhough that individual did a horrible thing, it's not upto us or upto the police officers to judge over his life like that. Lethal force should only be applied when necessary and not because the guy is a piece of shit. Driving someone off the road because he cut you off isn't a good thing either. I'd really not go there, in terms of sympathy. I advocate for attempting to save as many lifes as (safely) possible. Furthermore I notice the mentality amongst Americans that once a firearm is being used, it should be to kill. That certainly explains why most of the shootouts I see turn out in a massive bulletparty. I don't think that's the best thing. The way TheDivineHustle puts it, he says that once a suspect is shot down and is still alive, he should not be given aid or executed "The individual now needs to be neutralized". That's a massive undermining of the court system.

Of course. I mean, you're using a firearm on someone. There's a chance you're gonna kill the guy, but when the alternative is center mass and you're not in immediate danger, the legs would definitely have my preferral. Netherlands is a small country so the ambulance will arrive quickly here, except for some rural area's. But there's a maximum time of arrival and dispatch is continuously moving ambulances in the regions to make sure that that deadline can be reached.

The less lethal tools we have here are pepperspray and baton. Pepperspray would have been an option as well. The biking cop took a risk, but I wouldn't say massive hazard. He knew what he did and he did his job well. It's not true that you decide to shoot to kill when shooting for the legs. I don't have the numbers at this moment, but I am pretty sure that less people that got shot in the leg died than survived. Shooting someone in the leg is not choosing to kill, it's choosing to disable with a potentional of killing, which is a lot better than killing. In regards to Wendy's case, just wondering: If this exact case was happening again, is there anything that the police should have done differently to deal with this situation in your opinion? Or was this a feasible outcome?

They were very quick to confirm it wasn't terrorism though. And afterwards they figure maybe it's necessary to investigate that. And the entire media coverage was very very slim for such an incident. In that sense omroep west has done us a great favour, but NOS hardly reported on it right after it happened. Then the days after they figured maybe something else was going on.

Having mental issues doesn't mean there is no chance it was a terrorist attack. Also mentally ill people are perfectly capable of making terrorist attacks. Really depends on which of the many mental illnesses you got. Furthermore, he got released. They wouldn't release someone that is so mentally ill he'd be able to attempt to kill people like that. Lastly, his neighbours are saying that after his stay in the mental clinic, he had such a beard, but not before he went in there. Sounds like he radicalized there. Okay, let me nuance my piece a bit. First and foremost, I support American Police as much as I support Dutch police. Of course not every encounter leads to a shooting and the majority of cases work out like they should. It's the excesses though. Excesses in which some people on this forum still tend to defend the police. Back the blue is great, but not unconditionally. I joined this forum quite recently and as soon as I said anything about legs or taser, I'd be knocked over by posts with all kinds of vids and links explaining why you don't do those things. I figured this case was very good to show that the alternative to how US police do it, works out as well. True, every situation is different and every situation requires a different approach. The approach in the videos is not the best for other situations, true. However, your view of this is totally cranked. Apparently you think that everything the officers did was a bad thing, whereas the result is great. Of course, beanbags would have been an option, but standard 112-call police don't carry those and having to wait until one arrives isn't possible as it's an active threat. It looks like you'd have chosen to kill the guy, most likely with 30 bullet holes in his body if this were not a well equiped department (of which there are 1000s in the US). Tasers are not rolled out in The Netherlands yet, except for special teams like our S.W.A.T. (the guy in the shorties with the taser). We currently have a pilot running with regular officers carrying a taser, but that's not in The Hague. This is how you subdue someone that is actively stabbing people. You tell him to put his hands up, when he denies, you shoot him in the leg and/or warning shot. As LAST MEASURE you shoot to kill. I really wonder how the US police would have dealt in this situation. Also, firing 30 rounds at wendy's cannot be defended. It was a continuous stream of bullets flying by without a single moment of evaluation of wth they're even aiming at. Cost the life of an innocent person. You can't defend that way of working. Of course. You're talking prevention now. 100% security doesn't exist and most of prevention works behind the scenes by intelligence agencies etc. For now the Netherlands is a very safe country and it surprises me that Belgium had their attack in Brussels, France had multiple major attacks in Paris, Germany had attacks in Berlin and the Netherlands has stayed clean of that.