1 hour ago, TheDivineHustle said:

 If you knew a little more about Islam, you would know this; which is also why you're more tolerant of Islam. Because those that know least about Islam tend to be more tolerant towards it, which makes perfect sense. I'm not attacking you, just making observations based on statistics and what I've read throughout this debate.

 

No, I'm simply more tolerant of Islam because I manage to separate a minority of crazy lunatics in middle-east and a large majority of peaceful people in the rest of the world. Also because I don't believe any conspiracy theory saying Islam would replace any major religion in our western countries.

 

1 hour ago, TheDivineHustle said:

That'd be because Islam is what's motivating people to do the violent, human rights violating actions.

 

Ah yes, everyone knows that China or North Korea for example, or well-known to be muslim countries, which is why they violate human rights all the time. That, or they're actually not muslim countries and they just violate human rights because they want to, regardless of their religion.

 

1 hour ago, TheDivineHustle said:

I don't believe that a ban on Islam would be unconstitutional because Islam unconstitutionally prohibits free-will. I find that people who show more favorable opinions of Islam seem to know least about Islam, which is also a statistical fact.

 

Yes, it would be unconstitutional, and your statistical facts about "people who know less about Islam are the most tolerant about it" are just words so far.

Edited March 20, 20188 yr by Hystery

1 hour ago, c13 said:

The problems are the human rights violations.

 

Again, whenever a country has a majority of its people practicing Islam, Islam becomes the primary religion by law.

 

Again, Sharia Law is the end goal of Islam. The whole point I have been making is that Sharia Law is implemented when a country has a populace that primarily worships Islam. Laws can be changed pretty easily once a majority of the population feels a certain way.

 

The problem is that Islam is fundamentally incompatible with the constitution because it explicitly goes against beliefs such as freedom of religion and equality. Christianity has adapted to the times, but Islam hasn't.

 

In 2017, Muslims made up about 1.1% of the total US population (about 3.45 million). It is projected that the Muslim population in America will reach 8.1 million by 2050, and the population of America will reach 458 million, so they will make up about 1.8% of the population. It is growing, but I seriously doubt they will have a majority any time soon. Plus, remember the outrage of Barack "Hussein" Obama? The American people are not going to just forget their bigotry and let Islam take over the country any time soon, nor are they going to let Sharia Law come into effect here.

 

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/01/03/new-estimates-show-u-s-muslim-population-continues-to-grow/

https://www.census.gov/library/working-papers/2009/demo/us-pop-proj-2000-2050.html

1 hour ago, TheDivineHustle said:

That'd be because Islam is what's motivating people to do the violent, human rights violating actions.

 

But...they...are...already...illegal....I don't understand your point? The same logic applies here as with guns: The criminals don't care about breaking the law. Anyone being violent because of their religion isn't just going to not be violent because America banned their religion. I only see the opposite happening.

On 20/03/2018 at 8:46 PM, TheDivineHustle said:

I don't believe that a ban on Islam would be unconstitutional because Islam unconstitutionally prohibits free-will.

 

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." - First Amendment

 

The Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment gives you the right to worship or not as you choose. The government can't penalize you because of your religious beliefs.  

 

The Establishment Clause prohibits the government from favoring religion over secularism or vice versa or from favoring one religion over another. The Free Exercise Clause prohibits the government from imposing special burdens (such as bans or restrictions) on people because of their religious beliefs. 

 

You may not believe a ban on Islam is unconstitutional, but the fact remains that a ban or penalization of Muslims or restriction of aspects of Islam is unlikely to happen.

 

The main source of terror in the world is not Islam as a whole, but the ideology of Wahabism.  In July 2013, Wahabism was identified by the European Parliament in Strasbourg as the main source of global terrorism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism

 

I would also like to point out that Islamic terrorism was quite unheard of before 1948 and the PLO (Crusades were not acts of terrorism, but a holy war). The rise of Islamic fundamentalism started in the 70's with the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan to secure it as a communist proxy state, and then the Gulf War, 9/11 and the great rise in the early to mid-2000's due to the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan to bring down terrorist states and punish those responsible for 9/11 in the ongoing "War on Terror" and also to destroy non-existent WMD's. Not only did those invasions create a massive power vacuum which was filled by the previously oppressed Shia's but shattered those countries. Now many Wahabist terrorist groups feel that the West is their #1 enemy and therefore all these terrorist attacks happen in order to cripple us and instill Sharia law which they see as the ultimate symbol of conquering the "infidels". 

 

 

On 3/20/2018 at 5:53 PM, willpv23 said:

But...they...are...already...illegal....I don't understand your point? The same logic applies here as with guns: The criminals don't care about breaking the law. Anyone being violent because of their religion isn't just going to not be violent because America banned their religion. I only see the opposite happening.

 

So do you believe that Islam is currently a threat to global peace?

Man bites dog, that's rare. Can't say I'm surprised. What goes around comes around. A center for a backwards violent and savage ideology is the stage for an act of violence, how shocking....Not really. Not going to discuss politics here but most criticisms against Islam are valid. I'm Christian and the old testament was crazy, hence why our people reformed the holy text and the way we live our lives around it. Islam needs to have its own new testament of the Quran' in which is less extreme and insitgating of violence. Like in the old books for us it said homosexuals should be killed. Now it just comments as it as a mortal sin. Maybe if Islam was reformed homosexuals would not be thrown off buildings daily anymore in the far East.

 

https://storymaps.esri.com/stories/terrorist-attacks/?year=2017

 

Notice how in Japan and Poland and some other areas free of the radical grip of Islamic Culture have NO terrorist attacks?. I wonder why that is....-..one might think there is a correlation between the two. Lol, don't bother saying I'm racist either. Islam is not a race, it's a political ideology. 

 

Reality Check

 

 

 

Edited March 26, 20188 yr by LCPD McGee

What about Telling US War Crimes in Iraq,Syria,Afghanistan,etc like Ahu Graib, Mass Rapes in iraq, Uran Munition, Gladio?

1 hour ago, LCPD McGee said:

Notice how in Japan and Poland and some other areas free of the radical grip of Islamic Culture have NO terrorist attacks?. I wonder why that is....-..one might think there is a correlation between the two. Lol, don't bother saying I'm racist either. Islam is not a race, it's a political ideology. 

 

Reality Check

 

I think a good Reality Check would actually be to aknowledge TheLoneRanger's point above before posting a video of propaganda held by biased people. But that's just my opinion.

14 minutes ago, Hystery said:

 

I think a good Reality Check would actually be to aknowledge TheLoneRanger's point above before posting a video of propaganda held by biased people. But that's just my opinion.

 

I dont have to knowledge anyones opinion before i voice my own. Funny condescending tone you have...-... So statistical facts based on confirmed incidents around the world and Mr. Shapiro's statements are all false?. So everything you disagree with that is even confirmed true is " propaganda" because you say so?.  Is Ben Shapiro also a Nazi?, please do tell. I was not responding to TheLoneRangers post above, i was simply making my own statement on the topic. Let me guess you also think the US Election was won via Russian interference too right?. Keep getting your news from Vox and Salon buddy.  I bet you did not even look at the sources i sited or even viewed the video briefly. Just typed out your smug personal opinion. 0/10, keep up the virtue signalling, Islamic Terrorist sympathizer. But then again thats just my opinion.

Edited March 26, 20188 yr by LCPD McGee

2 hours ago, LCPD McGee said:

Man bites dog, that's rare. Can't say I'm surprised. What goes around comes around. A center for a backwards violent and savage ideology is the stage for an act of violence, how shocking....Not really. Not going to discuss politics here but most criticisms against Islam are valid. I'm Christian and the old testament was crazy, hence why our people reformed the holy text and the way we live our lives around it. Islam needs to have its own new testament of the Quran' in which is less extreme and insitgating of violence. Like in the old books for us it said homosexuals should be killed. Now it just comments as it as a mortal sin. Maybe if Islam was reformed homosexuals would not be thrown off buildings daily anymore in the far East.

 

https://storymaps.esri.com/stories/terrorist-attacks/?year=2017

 

Notice how in Japan and Poland and some other areas free of the radical grip of Islamic Culture have NO terrorist attacks?. I wonder why that is....-..one might think there is a correlation between the two. Lol, don't bother saying I'm racist either. Islam is not a race, it's a political ideology. 

 

Reality Check

 

 

 

 

Unless this guy has spoken with all 179 million Muslims, all of his statistics are made up.  No one should believe anything people like this say unless they have hard evidence to back it up.

8 minutes ago, Giordano said:

 

Unless this guy has spoken with all 179 million Muslims, all of his statistics are made up.  No one should believe anything people like this say unless they have hard evidence to back it up.

 

Ignorance is bliss i suppose. Maybe when one of your friends or loved ones is " culturally enriched " to death you will understand. However logic like this is the reason the UK is turning into Afghanistan. Rather sad.  I for one however will not change or alter my opinion for the sake of politeness and or political correctness. I understand your desire to remain neutral with your position with LSPDFR and the forums and such however.

Edited March 27, 20188 yr by LCPD McGee

19 minutes ago, LCPD McGee said:

 

Ignorance is bliss i suppose. Maybe when one of your friends or loved ones is " culturally enriched " to death you will understand. However logic like this is the reason the UK is turning into Afghanistan. Rather sad.  I for one however will not change or alter my opinion for the sake of politeness and or political correctness. I understand your desire to remain neutral with your position with LSPDFR and the forums and such however.

 

Opinions of LSPDFR staff are our own, and don't represent that of G17 Media.  While we do make sure to still be respectable and not attack anyone, we don't hold back on our opinions, nor are we told how to respond.

 

What I said still stands correct.  It doesn't take any effort to vote in a poll.  Speaking with someone face to face and getting their true opinion is the only way to know.  Again. without speaking with all these people, his statistics are all made up.

 

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The reason the UK is turning into Afghanistan.

 

So there are US troops over in the UK fighting Taliban?  or are UK troops fighting Taliban in the UK?  Either way, I can't believe you're comparing the UK to a third world country.

31 minutes ago, LCPD McGee said:

 

Ignorance is bliss i suppose. Maybe when one of your friends or loved ones is " culturally enriched " to death you will understand. However logic like this is the reason the UK is turning into Afghanistan. Rather sad.  I for one however will not change or alter my opinion for the sake of politeness and or political correctness. I understand your desire to remain neutral with your position with LSPDFR and the forums and such however.

You use the term 'ignorance is bliss' in the same post as saying that the United Kingdom is turning into Afghanistan.... at this point I really don't understand what your point is. You've posted a video where some guy presents an opinion masqueraded as a fact and at no point have presented an actual fact.

I live in the United Kingdom and can tell you with 100% confidence that the UK is not becoming nor has it ever been Afghanistan, each country has it's own problems, we have Terrorist attacks, the United States has issues with school shooting, each country chooses how to deal with these issues in their own way. Our way is to not ban an entire religion due to a minority of lunatics.

1 hour ago, LCPD McGee said:

However logic like this is the reason the UK is turning into Afghanistan.

 

Didn't know we developed LSPDFR in Afghanistan... that's news to me!

Look at some areas in London and tell me your still in the United Kingdom. You all know exactly what I'm talking about, but as stated above i suppose i understand your desire to remain neutral and non provocative. Oh good ol' London. What happened.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have more videos from your beloved London if you would like. These are from some years ago and it has only gotten worse. Seems like people were right, the only lad there left with any stones is Tommy Robinson. 

5 hours ago, Officer GILLETTE ABDI said:

What about Telling US War Crimes in Iraq,Syria,Afghanistan,etc like Ahu Graib, Mass Rapes in iraq, Uran Munition, Gladio?

U.S. War crimes?  What orders have been givin to the soldiers that are along the line of war crimes?  

 

Mass rape?  I must have missed something.  Do you mean like what the Japanese and Russian troops did? Or even ISIS/Desh?

 

2 hours ago, ToeBius said:

U.S. War crimes?  What orders have been givin to the soldiers that are along the line of war crimes?  

 

Mass rape?  I must have missed something.  Do you mean like what the Japanese and Russian troops did? Or even ISIS/Desh?

 

 

Exactly, It's like the arguement people make against Christianity " Oh the Crusades blah blah blah " , yeah. That was thousands of years ago. Are we still executing eachother and performing ritualistic murder?. Nope, we moved on. As must the Islamic community from it's violent ways. Just in Florida near where my Mother lives a young teen was beaten and burned for refusing to partake in a underage arranged marriage. IN FLORIDA. NY. USA.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/03/25/a-teen-said-no-to-an-arranged-marriage-investigators-say-her-parents-threw-hot-oil-on-her/?utm_term=.efc12510d839

9 hours ago, LCPD McGee said:

 

I dont have to knowledge anyones opinion before i voice my own. Funny condescending tone you have...-...

 

The only difference is that he didn't voice an opinion, but facts. He didn't say "I'm against banning" or "I'm favourable to banning" anything, he presented facts. But since it was contradicting your preconceived, biased and double-standardized vision of the world, you purposefully decided to ignore it, because otherwise it'd mean that everything you believed so far was in fact false, which is quite scary.

 

6 hours ago, LCPD McGee said:

Look at some areas in London and tell me your still in the United Kingdom. You all know exactly what I'm talking about, but as stated above i suppose i understand your desire to remain neutral and non provocative. Oh good ol' London. What happened.

 

I have more videos from your beloved London if you would like. These are from some years ago and it has only gotten worse. Seems like people were right, the only lad there left with any stones is Tommy Robinson. 

 

Oh look, more videos showing what... a dozen dudes? Damn, that's an invasion, we're all gonna become muslims with such a powerful force, let's all shelter in our bunkers and await theological annihilation. Is that the same kind of videos saying there are no-go zones in France, even though there aren't (and I think I'm better placed than a random dude across the ocean to know about this specific info)? Funny thing is that if I looked around my neighborhood, I'd most likely find more christian extremists who would refuse any sort of right for anyone but christians than actual islamic extremists. Does that mean all christians are extremists as well? 🤔

 

1 hour ago, LCPD McGee said:

Are we still executing eachother and performing ritualistic murder?. Nope, we moved on.

 

You moved on? As far as I'm aware, the KKK still exists, doesn't it? And they're christian. And they prone the elimination of quite a bunch of people. And they did eliminate quite a bunch of people, in a violent way. Did they miss the memo about moving on? Does that mean all christians are like those extremists of the KKK? Should we ban christianity? Because the KKK can't be a minority, right, just like islamic extremists?

 

What about all the american, white dudes who killed in the name of God? Like Robert Lewis Dear, the gunman of the November 2015 Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood shooting, who praised the "Army of God", that "sinners" would "burn in hell" during the end times, and said that attacks on abortion clinics are "God's work". Can we safely assume, just like you do for muslims, that he's part of a majority of christian extremists who want to follow the example? Or we could talk about Curtis Allen, Gavin Wright and Patrick Eugene Stein, in 2016, 3 Kansas militia men calling themselves ‘Crusaders’ who were arrested plotting a bomb attack and a mass shooting targeting an apartment complex home to a mosque and many Muslim immigrants from Somalia. 'Crusaders', I think the name is explicit, no? Do they represent a majority of christians as well? Should we ban christianity? Because from the looks of it, it creates violent crimes against people of a different religion or skin color.

 

But obviously, you will say "Christianity isn't the same, those guys are isolated incidents, God doesn't approve of them, bla bla bla". Yeah, sure, they're a minority, and I won't blame the whole christianity religion based on the actions of a couple crazy fucks here and there. But in that case, why do you condemn the religion of almost 2 billion people based on the actions of just a couple of crazy fucks as well, I wonder? I've the answer already: because you deliberately decided to discriminate them, regardless of whatever could prove you wrong. That's all there's to it, you'd be better off saying it instead of trying to find excuses for doing so.

12 hours ago, LCPD McGee said:

Look at some areas in London and tell me your still in the United Kingdom. You all know exactly what I'm talking about, but as stated above i suppose i understand your desire to remain neutral and non provocative. Oh good ol' London. What happened.

 

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I have more videos from your beloved London if you would like. These are from some years ago and it has only gotten worse. Seems like people were right, the only lad there left with any stones is Tommy Robinson. 

What you have done is post a video of around a few guys who want to enforce Sharia Law in the United Kingdom... something that will never happen and you are using it as an example of the United Kingdom being pretty much Afghanistan, only thing being that it's completely untrue and you are fully aware of it, hence you not replying back to either myself or Sam's comments but instead just posting a few videos of few Muslims who wish to enforce Sharia Law even though they will never be able to do. 

As for Tommy Robinson... I wouldn't use him as a source of information, he's quite known to go out with other members of the EDL (English Defence League - which he co-founded) to intimidate Muslims, under the excuse that all Muslims want to kill us all. Any information from him is going to be completely biased and pushing his agenda of banning all Muslims, which is the main purpose of the EDL.

7 hours ago, Hystery said:

You moved on? As far as I'm aware, the KKK still exists, doesn't it? And they're christian. And they prone the elimination of quite a bunch of people. And they did eliminate quite a bunch of people, in a violent way. Did they miss the memo about moving on? Does that mean all christians are like those extremists of the KKK? Should we ban christianity? Because the KKK can't be a minority, right, just like islamic extremists?

 

What about all the american, white dudes who killed in the name of God? Like Robert Lewis Dear, the gunman of the November 2015 Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood shooting, who praised the "Army of God", that "sinners" would "burn in hell" during the end times, and said that attacks on abortion clinics are "God's work". Can we safely assume, just like you do for muslims, that he's part of a majority of christian extremists who want to follow the example? Or we could talk about Curtis Allen, Gavin Wright and Patrick Eugene Stein, in 2016, 3 Kansas militia men calling themselves ‘Crusaders’ who were arrested plotting a bomb attack and a mass shooting targeting an apartment complex home to a mosque and many Muslim immigrants from Somalia. 'Crusaders', I think the name is explicit, no? Do they represent a majority of christians as well? Should we ban christianity? Because from the looks of it, it creates violent crimes against people of a different religion or skin color.

 

But obviously, you will say "Christianity isn't the same, those guys are isolated incidents, God doesn't approve of them, bla bla bla". Yeah, sure, they're a minority, and I won't blame the whole christianity religion based on the actions of a couple crazy fucks here and there. But in that case, why do you condemn the religion of almost 2 billion people based on the actions of just a couple of crazy fucks as well, I wonder? I've the answer already: because you deliberately decided to discriminate them, regardless of whatever could prove you wrong. That's all there's to it, you'd be better off saying it instead of trying to find excuses for doing so.

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Is the KKK still a threat?

The Ku Klux Klan still “poses a threat to society,” though it is relatively unstable and unorganized, according to the Anti-Defamation League. The findings of an ADL report released this week found that 42 KKK groups are active in 33 states, with an estimate of some 3,000 members.

 

https://www.bing.com/search?q=is+the+kkk+still+a+threat&PC=U316&FORM=CHROMN

 

In other words, my clogged toilet is more of a threat to me, as a black man, than the KKK.

 

You're not understanding the concept man. Christians that kill others in the name of God are ignorant and directly contradicting the word of God. Muslims that kill in the name of Allah are only doing what they've been commanded to do as per their beloved Quran. It's not the same thing.

Edited March 27, 20188 yr by TheDivineHustle

The biggest threat to the world is not terrorism (although it is a MAJOR threat we should acknowledge) but nuclear war.

https://thebulletin.org/2018-doomsday-clock-statement

"Although the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists focuses on nuclear risk, climate change, and emerging technologies, the nuclear landscape takes center stage in this year’s Clock statement. Major nuclear actors are on the cusp of a new arms race, one that will be very expensive and will increase the likelihood of accidents and misperceptions. Across the globe, nuclear weapons are poised to become more rather than less usable because of nations’ investments in their nuclear arsenals. This is a concern that the Bulletin has been highlighting for some time, but momentum toward this new reality is increasing."

 

The issue we have today concerning terrorist attacks (aside from the unfortunate casualties and fatalities) is that they get widespread media attention, which is what the terrorists want.

 

The definition of terrorism:

"the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."

https://nypost.com/2018/01/25/doomsday-clock-is-closest-to-midnight-in-its-history/

 

Worst case scenario is nuclear terrorism.

 

It's two minutes to midnight. The closest we've ever been since 1953, the height of the arms race, in the Cold War.